[DeTomaso] Stock A/C recharge - anyone try Red Tek 12a ?

Carguy60 sjcarguy60 at yahoo.com
Fri Jul 10 15:24:26 EDT 2015


I did use R-12 after all. Are you guys saying that the Red Tek 12a is actually propane?

Dennis Valdez 

> On Jul 10, 2015, at 11:51 AM, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
> 
>   All Boyd said is true, plus no reputable AC shop will work on your
>   system both due to contaminating their recovery systems and for safety
>   concerns. You'll be lonely....
> 
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
>   To: Bill Moore <bill at incendium.com>
>   Cc: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
>   Sent: Thu, Jul 9, 2015 5:09 pm
>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Stock A/C recharge - anyone try Red Tek 12a ?
> Read the Ford Manual. The bottom line is the pressure gauge on the ac
>   fill
> hoses. You do not want to overfill your system.
>   Stick with r-12. If you want
> to update your system you need to change
>   your dryer and all your hoses. Even
> though propane is supposed to work
>   if (god forbid) you used Propane in your
> car A and some event caused a
>   fire you could be subject to civil and
> criminal penalties and your
>   insurance might disallow any claims brought by
> you or the other driver.
>   This is an example of "penny wise and pound
> foolish" Do what you want
>   A but why ask for advice on a subject that is
> clearly marked as illegal
>   (DOT , EPA) both prohibit the use of propane A in
> ac systems in the
>   USA.A  Why risk the value of your car and the risk of A
> losing a major
>   lawsuit to save a few dollars to use something that clearly
> has the
>   potential to be very dangerous.[1]unapproved refrigerentsA  A
>   A
> A [1]http://hackaday.com/2010/06/15/recharging-ac-with-propane/
>   This
> information was found on the net so take it with a grain of salt.
>   I just
> believe it's just a better idea to avoid breaking the law when
>   ever possible
> especially when the only motivation is to save a few
>   dollars!
>   Boyd
> 
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Bill Moore <[2][2]bill at incendium.com>
> 
> wrote:
> 
>     A  A Open the windows and go fast.
>     A  A Cheers,
>     A  A
> Bill Moore
>     A  A Incendium Supply
>     A  A Calgary
> 
>   A  A --------
> Original message --------
>   A  A From: Larry - Ohio Time
> <[3][3]Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
>   A  A Date: 2015-06-30 8:56 AM (GMT-07:00)
>   A
> A To: [4][4]grayjim at cox.net, [5][5]julian_kift at hotmail.com
>   A  A Cc:
> [6][6]detomaso at poca.com
>   A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Stock A/C recharge -
> anyone try Red Tek
>   12a ?
>   A  A << Their A/C systems are no different from
> the US versions, are
>   they?>>
>   A  A Yes they are different, they just open
> the windows...
>   A  A Larry (all wet) - Cleveland
>   A  A -----Original
> Message-----
>   A  A From: DeTomaso [[7]mailto:[7]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On
> Behalf Of
>   A  A [8][8]grayjim at cox.net
>   A  A Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015
> 10:13 AM
>   A  A To: [9][9]julian_kift at hotmail.com
>   A  A Cc:
> [10][10]detomaso at poca.com
>   A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Stock A/C recharge -
> anyone try Red Tek
>   12a ?
>   A  A The only reason I ever considered it was
> when I could not make the
>   A  A R134a
>   A  A work in my car. R12 was my
> answer but that stuff is just supposed
>   to be
>   A  A very efficient.
>   A
> A Don't they use it in Canada? Their A/C systems are no different
>   from
>   A
> A the
>   A  A US versions, are they?
>   A  A Jim
>   A  A On Mon, Jun 29, 2015
> at 11:14 PM, Julian Kift wrote:
>   A  A  A Mainly because US A/C systems are
> not designed for highly
>   flammable
>   A  A refrigerants, whereas a propoane
> fuel system is.
>   A  A If R12 is available why compromise on safety for a few
> bucks.
>   A  A Julian
>   A  A > From: [11][11]grayjim at cox.net To:
> [12][12]andriykoisg at yahoo.ca;
>   A  A > [13][13]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov;
> [14][14]cengles at cox.net;
>   [15][15]sjcarguy60 at yahoo.com Date:
>   A  A > Mon, 29 Jun
> 2015 23:09:11 -0500 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Stock
>   A/C
>   A  A > recharge -
> anyone try Red Tek 12a ? CC: [16][16]detomaso at poca.com
>   A  A > So tempted to use
> the stuff her in OK but law says not to be
>   used in
>   A  A > motor
> vehicles. Go figure. It's OK to have a giant propane tank
>   in
>   A  A > your
> car but not to use a highly refined propane in you're A/C.
>   A  A Who's
>   A
> A > getting paid off here?
>   A  A > The original R12 works absolutely great in
> my car. R134a...not
>   so
>   A  A > much.
>   A  A > Jim "Mr. R12" Gray
>   A
> A >
>   A  A > -----Original Message----- From: The Goyaniuks Sent: Sunday,
> 
> June 28,
>   A  A > 2015 8:30 PM To: Himes, Terry (397C) ; Charles Engles ;
> 
> 'Carguy60'
>   A  A Cc:
>   A  A > [17][17]detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso]
> Stock A/C recharge
>   - anyone
>   A  A > try Red Tek 12a ?
>   A  A > I have
> installed DURACOOL (a R12a type system in Canada) 5 years
>   ago
>   A  A > in
> my wife's car after I replaced the failed airconditioning
>   A  A > compressor
> with a new one. Works great.A  I intend to install
>   the same
>   A  A > in my
> Pantera. Highly recommended after a proper job is done
>   A  A (evacuate
>   A
> A > the system, check for leaks, fill etc.) BGA  A  A  A From:
>   "Himes,
> Terry
>   A  A > (397C)" <[18][18]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> To: Charles Engles
>   A
> A > <[19][19]cengles at cox.net>; 'Carguy60' <[20][20]sjcarguy60 at yahoo.com> Cc:
>   A  A >
> "[21][21]detomaso at poca.com" <[22][22]detomaso at poca.com> Sent: Sunday,
>   June 28,
> 2015
>   A  A > 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Stock A/C recharge - anyone
> try
>   Red
>   A  A > Tek 12a ?
>   A  A >A  A Readily available in Sandy Eggo,
> (Imported from So. of the
>   Border).
>   A  A > Contact Dan Miller (Classic
> Mustang) and POCA/SDP member for
>   name,
>   A  A > numberA  A and address of
> contacts.
>   A  A >A  A "Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent
> life
>   A  A >A  A  A exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has
> 
> tried
>   A  A >A  A  A to contact us!"
>   A  A >A  A Terry W. HimesA
> [cid:4E213040-C2CF-4D73-BFFF-33B922E4588D]
>   A  A >A  A JPL Jet Propulsion
> Laboratory
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>   A  A >A  A
> [1][23][23]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
>   A  A >A  A From: DeTomaso
> <[2][24][24]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf
>   of Charles
>   A  A > Engles
> <[3][25][25]cengles at cox.net>A  A Date: Sunday, June 28, 2015
>   5:45 PM
>   A  A >
> To: 'Carguy60' <[4][26][26]sjcarguy60 at yahoo.com>A  A Cc:
> 
> "[5][27][27]detomaso at poca.com"
>   A  A > <[6][28][28]detomaso at poca.com>A  A Subject:
> Re: [DeTomaso] Stock A/C
>   recharge -
>   A  A > anyone try Red Tek 12a ?
> 
> A  A >A  A Dear Dennis,A  A  A  A  A  A So, with #7260 I assume that
>   your AC
> still
>   A  A > uses R12.A  MyA  #7171A  A doesA  A too.A  The practical and
> 
> politically
>   A  A > incorrect option that is elegantlyA  A simple is to check
> your
>   local
>   A  A > Craigslist for R12 Freon.A  Old genuineA  A R12 isA  A
> still out
>   there.
>   A  A As
>   A  A > the demand for it is quite low, the
> price of itA  A hasA
>   A returned to
>   A  A > earth compared to the early
> days before and after the R135
>   A  A > transition.A  Just buy some real R12
> and use it without any of
>   the
>   A  A > worrisomeA  A considerations of
> substitutes.A  I used pound of
>   freon to
>   A  A > top off theA  A PanteraA
> A before the run to Houston.
>   A  A > Excommunicated by the Vatican,A  Chuck
> EnglesA  A ----Original
>   A  A > Message-----A  A From: DeTomaso
> 
> [[7][29]mailto:[29]detomaso-bounces at poca.com]
>   A  A On
>   A  A > Behalf OfA  A
> Carguy60 viaA  A DeTomasoA  A Sent: Sunday, June
>   28, 2015
>   A  A 7:08
> 
> A  A > PMA  A To: [8][30]deTomaso at POCA.comA  A Subject: [DeTomaso] Stock
>   A/C
> 
> A  A recharge
>   A  A > - anyone try Red Tek 12a ?A  A Here is the link, seems
> it should
>   work
>   A  A > without much retrofit. I don'tA  A know aA  A lot
> about AC
>   systems. Any
>   A  A > thoughts from those that do?A  A DennisA  A
> 7260
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