[DeTomaso] NPC: Love your country
Ken Green
kenn_green at yahoo.com
Fri Jan 30 18:35:04 EST 2015
Are you referring to the factories where they have nets at the base of the barracks to catch a few of the jumpers?
So folks here are so spoiled that you can't even get 1% of the 11 million on welfare to accept employment? I think a lot more than 1% would take a half way decent job if it was offered.
From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
To: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>; Konrad Szwab <kszwab at gmail.com>
Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>; "knottsj at galstar.com" <knottsj at galstar.com>; Ron Fogle <rfogle1 at aol.com>
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Love your country
Regardless of the tax rate, that¹s not why Apple manufactures in China.
They manufacture in China because China can support the labor. In China,
you can hire 1 million laborers to assemble the iPhones, so the number
becomes 25 per person per month. Of course, I¹m sure they don¹t have 1
million people assembling, but they probably have 100,000 or more in their
factory. China excels at providing labor for repetitive tasks.
On 1/30/15, 5:47 PM, "Ken Green via DeTomaso" <detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
> The article I read:
> [1]http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/09/25/if-apple-brought-
> iphone-manufacturing-to-the-us-it-would-cost-them-4-2-billion/
> said the rate in china was a lot lower, was the article wrong? Just
> looked it up and found 15% in China for high tech products.
> If that is correct, should there be a 15 to 20% import duty on goods
> from China to make a fair playing field?
> Ken
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From: Konrad Szwab <kszwab at gmail.com>
> To: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> Cc: Ron Fogle <rfogle1 at aol.com>; "knottsj at galstar.com"
> <knottsj at galstar.com>; "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 2:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Love your country
> 1. The U.S. business lobby never misses an opportunity to point out
> that the 35% corporate tax rate is the highest in the industrialized
> world. (With state taxes, itas about 39%.)
> 2. This is said to compare unfavorably to the statutory rate averages
> of around 30% for most industrialized countries (the OECDas 2012
> GDP-weighted average was 32%).
> 3. However, what corporations are really concerned about is not the
> statutory rate, but the effective tax rate.
> 4. That rate covers the percent of profits paid in taxes once all the
> deductions, credits and other complex provisions of the tax code are
> taken into account.
> 5. The U.S. business lobby is usually completely mum about this rate,
> effectively misleading the American and global public.
> 6. In terms of the effective corporate tax rate, the United States is
> actually below the average of the big industrial countries, at about
> 26%.
> 7. As a result, the oft-heard claim that the U.S. corporate tax rate is
> crippling the competitiveness of American business is, at best, avastly
> overstated.a
> 8. The real issue in the United States isnat the level of taxation, but
> the huge variation in effective tax rates paid by different companies
> in different industries.
> 9. That is an entirely homemade problem a and the consequence of all
> the shady lobbying that happens in Washington, D.C. day in and day out.
> 10. The U.S. Treasury estimates that U.S. retailers and wholesalers,
> for example, pay an average effective federal tax rate of 31%, while
> U.S. utilities pay an average of 14%. Other industries fall somewhere
> in between.
> On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Ken Green via DeTomaso
> <[2]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
>
> Sad thing is that I looked up why Apple makes products in China.
> It
> was not labor cost, it is because of the high corporate tax
> here. Our
> highest in the world corporate taxes are driving manufacturing
> (and
> jobs) out of the US, and not bringing in more total revenue.
> What kind
> of idiot does that?
> Ken
>
> __________________________________________________________________
> From: Ron Fogle via DeTomaso <[3]detomaso at poca.com>
> To: [4]knottsj at galstar.com; [5]detomaso at poca.com
> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 2:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Love your country
> Hey Gang
> I have trouble wrapping my head around the "big" numbers. I
> read
> this
> week that Apple sold 75 Million I phones in the past quarter.
> How do
> you manufacture 75 Million anything in three months, much less
> something as complicated as an I phone. That's 35,000 an hour,
> or
> 600
> per minute, in the box and ready to go, 24/7 for 90 days.
> Somebody
> somewhere is busting some serious ass. Also read an article
> about
> New
> Orleans wanting 250 Billion federal dollars for improvements.
> That
> works out to like $500,000/household. It starts not making
> sense....
> I don't even want to try Trillions! I'll be depressed all
> weekend,
> Ron
> Ronald M. Fogle
> President
> Cuyahoga Valley Management, Inc.
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Jerry Knotts <[1][6]knottsj at galstar.com>
> To: detomaso <[2][7]detomaso at poca.com>
> Sent: Fri, Jan 30, 2015 5:00 pm
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Love your country
> Don't know which side of the aisle I am on but I would prefer not
> to
> pay my portion of the national debt today. It is $67,000 for each
> man
> woman and child in the country. That amount will handle the debt
> today
> providing there are 300,000,000 people that pay today also.
> Feeling broke,
> jerry knotts
> On 1/30/2015 3:05 PM, Larry Finch via DeTomaso wrote:
> Roland wrote -
> What about the education of your kids? For the costs of highscool
> and
> college for two kids in the US, you can buy three or more Mustangs
> in
> your country.
> Not counted the costs of health insurance and welfare. This will
> bring
> you another few beloved US cars.
> Just my 2 cents.
> ------------------------
> Thanks for that insight, Roland.You understand this issue better
> than
> many Ameri
> cans do.
> Have you heard about this one -
> Here in the USA, the GOP controlled congress passed a budget bill,
> signed by the
> President, that defunded the IRS 346 million dollars. All in the
> name
> of reign
> ing in the TAX MONSTER.
> YEA!! Let's stick it to the IRS. That will show them damn government
> revenue age
> nts.
> The IRS commissioner wrote those cuts would result in a loss of $2
> BILLION in lo
> st tax collections.
> Save $346 million but lose $2 billion. Sorry, I guess I just don't
> understand e
> conomics as well as my elected officials.
> I do understand the idea for smaller and more efficient government.
> Many want it
> to be run more efficiently, like a business.
> Therefore, I do not understand the "business" logic of handicapping
> your source
> of income - tax collection.
> I'll stop for now. I'm sure I've already provided fodder for some
> interesting ri
> ght-side-of-the-aisle replies. ;-)
> Larry
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>http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/09/25/if-apple-brought-iphone
>-manufacturing-to-the-us-it-would-cost-them-4-2-billion/
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Are you referring to the factories where they have nets at the base of
the barracks to catch a few of the jumpers?
So folks here are so spoiled that you can't even get 1% of the 11
million on welfare to accept employment? I think a lot more than 1%
would take a half way decent job if it was offered.
__________________________________________________________________
From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
To: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>; Konrad Szwab <kszwab at gmail.com>
Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>; "knottsj at galstar.com"
<knottsj at galstar.com>; Ron Fogle <rfogle1 at aol.com>
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Love your country
Regardless of the tax rate, thatA^1s not why Apple manufactures in
China.
They manufacture in China because China can support the labor. In
China,
you can hire 1 million laborers to assemble the iPhones, so the number
becomes 25 per person per month. Of course, IA^1m sure they donA^1t
have 1
million people assembling, but they probably have 100,000 or more in
their
factory. China excels at providing labor for repetitive tasks.
On 1/30/15, 5:47 PM, "Ken Green via DeTomaso" <[1]detomaso at poca.com>
wrote:
> The article I read:
>
[1][2]http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/09/25/if-apple-broug
ht-
> iphone-manufacturing-to-the-us-it-would-cost-them-4-2-billion/
> said the rate in china was a lot lower, was the article wrong? Just
> looked it up and found 15% in China for high tech products.
> If that is correct, should there be a 15 to 20% import duty on goods
> from China to make a fair playing field?
> Ken
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From: Konrad Szwab <[3]kszwab at gmail.com>
> To: Ken Green <[4]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> Cc: Ron Fogle <[5]rfogle1 at aol.com>; "[6]knottsj at galstar.com"
> <[7]knottsj at galstar.com>; "[8]detomaso at poca.com"
<[9]detomaso at poca.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 2:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Love your country
> 1. The U.S. business lobby never misses an opportunity to point out
> that the 35% corporate tax rate is the highest in the industrialized
> world. (With state taxes, itas about 39%.)
> 2. This is said to compare unfavorably to the statutory rate
averages
> of around 30% for most industrialized countries (the OECDas 2012
> GDP-weighted average was 32%).
> 3. However, what corporations are really concerned about is not the
> statutory rate, but the effective tax rate.
> 4. That rate covers the percent of profits paid in taxes once all
the
> deductions, credits and other complex provisions of the tax code are
> taken into account.
> 5. The U.S. business lobby is usually completely mum about this
rate,
> effectively misleading the American and global public.
> 6. In terms of the effective corporate tax rate, the United States
is
> actually below the average of the big industrial countries, at about
> 26%.
> 7. As a result, the oft-heard claim that the U.S. corporate tax rate
is
> crippling the competitiveness of American business is, at best,
avastly
> overstated.a
> 8. The real issue in the United States isnat the level of taxation,
but
> the huge variation in effective tax rates paid by different
companies
> in different industries.
> 9. That is an entirely homemade problem a and the consequence of all
> the shady lobbying that happens in Washington, D.C. day in and day
out.
> 10. The U.S. Treasury estimates that U.S. retailers and wholesalers,
> for example, pay an average effective federal tax rate of 31%, while
> U.S. utilities pay an average of 14%. Other industries fall
somewhere
> in between.
> On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Ken Green via DeTomaso
> <[2][10]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
>
> Sad thing is that I looked up why Apple makes products in
China.
> It
> was not labor cost, it is because of the high corporate tax
> here. Our
> highest in the world corporate taxes are driving manufacturing
> (and
> jobs) out of the US, and not bringing in more total revenue.
> What kind
> of idiot does that?
> Ken
>
> __________________________________________________________________
> From: Ron Fogle via DeTomaso <[3][11]detomaso at poca.com>
> To: [4][12]knottsj at galstar.com; [5][13]detomaso at poca.com
> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 2:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Love your country
> Hey Gang
> I have trouble wrapping my head around the "big" numbers. I
> read
> this
> week that Apple sold 75 Million I phones in the past
quarter.
> How do
> you manufacture 75 Million anything in three months, much
less
> something as complicated as an I phone. That's 35,000 an
hour,
> or
> 600
> per minute, in the box and ready to go, 24/7 for 90 days.
> Somebody
> somewhere is busting some serious ass. Also read an article
> about
> New
> Orleans wanting 250 Billion federal dollars for
improvements.
> That
> works out to like $500,000/household. It starts not making
> sense....
> I don't even want to try Trillions! I'll be depressed all
> weekend,
> Ron
> Ronald M. Fogle
> President
> Cuyahoga Valley Management, Inc.
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Jerry Knotts <[1][6][14]knottsj at galstar.com>
> To: detomaso <[2][7][15]detomaso at poca.com>
> Sent: Fri, Jan 30, 2015 5:00 pm
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Love your country
> Don't know which side of the aisle I am on but I would prefer
not
> to
> pay my portion of the national debt today. It is $67,000 for
each
> man
> woman and child in the country. That amount will handle the
debt
> today
> providing there are 300,000,000 people that pay today also.
> Feeling broke,
> jerry knotts
> On 1/30/2015 3:05 PM, Larry Finch via DeTomaso wrote:
> Roland wrote -
> What about the education of your kids? For the costs of
highscool
> and
> college for two kids in the US, you can buy three or more
Mustangs
> in
> your country.
> Not counted the costs of health insurance and welfare. This will
> bring
> you another few beloved US cars.
> Just my 2 cents.
> ------------------------
> Thanks for that insight, Roland.You understand this issue better
> than
> many Ameri
> cans do.
> Have you heard about this one -
> Here in the USA, the GOP controlled congress passed a budget
bill,
> signed by the
> President, that defunded the IRS 346 million dollars. All in
the
> name
> of reign
> ing in the TAX MONSTER.
> YEA!! Let's stick it to the IRS. That will show them damn
government
> revenue age
> nts.
> The IRS commissioner wrote those cuts would result in a loss of
$2
> BILLION in lo
> st tax collections.
> Save $346 million but lose $2 billion. Sorry, I guess I just
don't
> understand e
> conomics as well as my elected officials.
> I do understand the idea for smaller and more efficient
government.
> Many want it
> to be run more efficiently, like a business.
> Therefore, I do not understand the "business" logic of
handicapping
> your source
> of income - tax collection.
> I'll stop for now. I'm sure I've already provided fodder for
some
> interesting ri
> ght-side-of-the-aisle replies. ;-)
> Larry
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