[DeTomaso] FW: New Tires a Challenge - Part Deux

Sun Jan 25 12:31:26 EST 2015

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From: julian_kift at hotmail.com
To: bjbstewart at yahoo.com; mbefthomas at comcast.net; pantdino at aol.com
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] New Tires a Challenge - Part Deux
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 09:29:58 -0800

That's the way I went for the GP4 to accentuate the front to rear rake, but in reality it doesn't increase your street tire choices, especially in the wider rears; 335/30-18 are available in....... Pirelli, Michelin PS2 or Toyo R888's. I'm running the latter as it will be mostly a summer/track car. The 335/30-18 size is a popular Continental series tire, so I pick up scrubbed in ex race tires for $50 ea. + shipping, with lots of life left i them for my use.
As discussed 315/35-17 tire options are fairly readily available anyway, I suppose the 18" diameter might increase you matched set options a bit, I have't done that research.
Julian

Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 17:14:14 +0000
To: mbefthomas at comcast.net; pantdino at aol.com; detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Tires a Challenge - Part Deux
From: detomaso at poca.com

This limited availability has me thinking about new wheels.
To get the proper stance from the Pantera, I've always felt that a 1" smaller wheel in the front has a GREAT look.  Seen pictures of Larry Finch's car?  As I recall he has 17" in the rear, 16" in the front.
I'd be very interested in doing an 18" rear, 17" front - that *should* expand options a bit, no?  Anyone have recommendations along those lines?
brent 

     On Sunday, January 25, 2015 7:54 AM, Mike Thomas <mbefthomas at comcast.net> wrote:

   Thanks Jim.  Don't need stickier, need more tread for the cooler or
  damp encounters.  The Khumos are rather treacherous in those conditions
  and hydroplane in a heartbeat.

  Mike

  From: Pantdino [mailto:pantdino at aol.com]
  Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 1:12 PM
  To: mbefthomas at comcast.net; detomaso at poca.com
  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Tires a Challenge - Part Deux

  Regarding your Kumhos-

  AFAIK Michelin has the most conservative age policy and they say 7 yrs
  is when a tire is too old.

  10 yrs is the point at which tire stores around me will refuse to do
  anything on them (even balance them)

  If you are disappointed with the grip of your Kumhos at 6 years maybe
  you should look at DOT-approved competition tires with wear ratings of
  like 50 because they will stay soft longer.  (I don't know what the
  Kumhos are or what tires are available, so maybe my comment is not
  helpful)

  Jim Oddie

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Mike Thomas <[1]mbefthomas at comcast.net>
  To: detomaso <[2]detomaso at poca.com>
  Sent: Fri, Jan 23, 2015 6:19 pm
  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Tires a Challenge - Part Deux
So, I called Big O to ask about the Pirelli P-Zero System, and I was told
that there are only 2 of the 335 left IN THE USofA.  And (drum roll please),
they are $870 EACH!!.  I was also told that there are no 245's available in
the US, and they can't order either size.  His theory was that they are
doing a model changeover and we're out of luck for now.  When I mentioned
the TIreBuyer.com site, he said that they drop ship to Big O for
installations, so there's the connection for that.  Going to call TireBuyer
and see what they tell me.

Looking more and more like the Khumies are my only choice.

Mike Thomas
Pres., Panteras Northwest
Yellow '74 #6328

-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [[3]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Mike Thomas
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 9:25 PM
To: [4]detomaso at poca.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] New Tires a Challenge

Started shopping for new tires as the Khumo Ecsta XS's are about 6 years old
and are really a handful when it's cool and the least bit damp.  Looking for
315 or 335/35 17" 's for the rear, 245/40 17" 's for the front.

At Tire Rack, in the 335 size, there are only the Pirelli P-Zero System or
the Michelin Pilot Sport PS2, at $577 and $494 respectively, and no model
match in the 245 size.  They do sell the Khumo's Ecsta XS in 315 and 245,
but not the 335.

At Discount Tire, They don't even carry anything in a 315, and only the
Michelin Pilot Sport in a 335, no model match in the 245, though they do
carry a Pilot Sport A/S-3, which I translate as all season 3 (not winter).

TireBuyer.com has Michelin Pilot Sport PS2's in the 335 and 245, with the
335's a little cheaper at $539, and the 245 are reasonable at $189.  That is
still $1285 before shipping and mounting.  They are "temporarily out of
stock . . .".  Great . . . .

Big O Tires (.com) has Goodyear Eagle F1 GS 03 in the 315, but only the
Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 and Pirelli P-Zero System in a 335.  In the 245,
they do show the Pirelli P-Zero System, but not a match (though similar) in
the Michelin and Goodyear Eagle F1.  These guys don't show prices on line
but ask you to request a quote from a local Big 0 store.  I think they may
be regional to the Pacific NW.

Any other suggestions on tires I can get for the street in these two size
combinations?  My only choices from this search seem to be back to the
Khumos, the Michelin's for a ransom from the Tire Buyer (but they're out of
stock), or the Pirellis from Big O.

Does anyone have any experience with the TireBuyer.com site?  From them I'd
have to find a shop to mount them, and they would likely charge a premium
since I didn't buy the tires through them (though if I look a little further
in their website, they probably have recommended installers in your area).
I'm also thinking it's possible that somebody like Discount Tire may be able
to match something, they just don't have them listed on the website.

Thanks in advance for the help!
Mike Thomas
Pres., Panteras Northwest
Yellow '74 #6328

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   From: julian_kift at hotmail.com
   To: bjbstewart at yahoo.com; mbefthomas at comcast.net; pantdino at aol.com
   Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] New Tires a Challenge - Part Deux
   Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 09:29:58 -0800
   That's the way I went for the GP4 to accentuate the front to rear rake,
   but in reality it doesn't increase your street tire choices, especially
   in the wider rears; 335/30-18 are available in....... Pirelli, Michelin
   PS2 or Toyo R888's. I'm running the latter as it will be mostly a
   summer/track car. The 335/30-18 size is a popular Continental series
   tire, so I pick up scrubbed in ex race tires for $50 ea. + shipping,
   with lots of life left i them for my use.
   As discussed 315/35-17 tire options are fairly readily available
   anyway, I suppose the 18" diameter might increase you matched set
   options a bit, I have't done that research.
   Julian
   Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 17:14:14 +0000
   To: mbefthomas at comcast.net; pantdino at aol.com; detomaso at poca.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Tires a Challenge - Part Deux
   From: detomaso at poca.com
This limited availability has me thinking about new wheels.
To get the proper stance from the Pantera, I've always felt that a 1" smaller wh
eel in the front has a GREAT look.  Seen pictures of Larry Finch's car?  As I re
call he has 17" in the rear, 16" in the front.
I'd be very interested in doing an 18" rear, 17" front - that *should* expand op
tions a bit, no?  Anyone have recommendations along those lines?
brent

     On Sunday, January 25, 2015 7:54 AM, Mike Thomas <mbefthomas at comcast.net> w
rote:

   Thanks Jim.  Don't need stickier, need more tread for the cooler or
  damp encounters.  The Khumos are rather treacherous in those conditions
  and hydroplane in a heartbeat.

  Mike

  From: Pantdino [mailto:pantdino at aol.com]
  Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 1:12 PM
  To: mbefthomas at comcast.net; detomaso at poca.com
  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Tires a Challenge - Part Deux

  Regarding your Kumhos-

  AFAIK Michelin has the most conservative age policy and they say 7 yrs
  is when a tire is too old.

  10 yrs is the point at which tire stores around me will refuse to do
  anything on them (even balance them)

  If you are disappointed with the grip of your Kumhos at 6 years maybe
  you should look at DOT-approved competition tires with wear ratings of
  like 50 because they will stay soft longer.  (I don't know what the
  Kumhos are or what tires are available, so maybe my comment is not
  helpful)

  Jim Oddie

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Mike Thomas <[1]mbefthomas at comcast.net>
  To: detomaso <[2]detomaso at poca.com>
  Sent: Fri, Jan 23, 2015 6:19 pm
  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Tires a Challenge - Part Deux
So, I called Big O to ask about the Pirelli P-Zero System, and I was told
that there are only 2 of the 335 left IN THE USofA.  And (drum roll please),
they are $870 EACH!!.  I was also told that there are no 245's available in
the US, and they can't order either size.  His theory was that they are
doing a model changeover and we're out of luck for now.  When I mentioned
the TIreBuyer.com site, he said that they drop ship to Big O for
installations, so there's the connection for that.  Going to call TireBuyer
and see what they tell me.

Looking more and more like the Khumies are my only choice.

Mike Thomas
Pres., Panteras Northwest
Yellow '74 #6328

-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [[3]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Mike Thomas
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 9:25 PM
To: [4]detomaso at poca.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] New Tires a Challenge