[DeTomaso] Barrett-Jackson Ring Bros Panteras
Will Kooiman
will.kooiman at gmail.com
Tue Jan 20 17:30:14 EST 2015
It is bad press to have Panteras associated with Richard Rawlings.
We already have to deal with the redneck image. This just makes it worse.
I have nothing against him. I'd never take my car to him, but I enjoy his
show.
--
Will
On 1/20/15 3:55 PM, "Boyd Casey" <boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
> And as a "reseller" he won't be subject to sales tax as long as he
> carries it as inventory.
>
> On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Pantdino <[1]pantdino at aol.com> wrote:
>
> I presume the "deductable amount" would be what he "donated" / paid
> minus the "market value" of the car. Which he could ascribe some low
> number to, say $100K, and take $230K as a charitable contribution
> deduction.A Under this scenario he would pay something like $110K
> less taxes (state and local, depending on where he lives) so the car
> actually cost him $200K or so.A Still not exactly cheap. But he
> probably bought it thru his business, so any losses will be
> deductable from his business profits, etc, etc..
>
> A
>
> So the car -----Original Message-----
> From: Boyd Casey <[2]boyd411 at gmail.com>
> To: Ed Mendez <[3]edducati at mac.com>
> Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <[4]detomaso at poca.com>; Ian Hannington
> <[5]ihannington286720mi at comcast.net>
> Sent: Mon, Jan 19, 2015 10:26 am
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Barrett-Jackson Ring Bros Panteras
>
> Your absolutely correct Ed. I didn't know that this was a charitable
> auction. Besides driving up prices because of the Charitable nature of
> the auction , sometimes the buyer can derive benefits in the form of a
> tax deductions for A purchases made at auctions where 100% of the
> proceeds go to charity. Richard Rawlings could probably use some tax
> deductions with the apparent income he is making from his car
> business,his restaurant, and all his recent appearances on commercials
> for Dodge. Also any contributions to charity certainly won't hurt his
> image as a beer swilling redneck. JMHO
> Boyd
>
> On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Ed Mendez <[1][6]edducati at mac.com>
> wrote:
>
> I believe the proceeds for Ring Bros went to charity so those are
> usually on a different level then a car that is not for charity. I
> remember Don Johnson's convertible challenger with a 318 went for
> $500,000 because it was for charity. It was from the Miami Vice
> show.
> Ed
> Sent from my iPhone 5
> > On Jan 19, 2015, at 09:43, Boyd Casey <[2][7]boyd411 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >A A I smell a rat! Richard Rawlings doesn't seem to be a big fan
> of
> >A A Panteras (if past shows are to be believed) but then again
> this is not
> >A A really a Pantera!. He also seems to be driven by only one
> thing and
> >A A that is Profit! How he expects to make a profit on a $330,000
> custom
> >A A car that used to be a pantera is beyond my ability to
> comprehend. It
> >A A reminds me of a shill transaction. For those of you who have
> not had a
> >A A A lot of experience at auctions of dealing with scam artists,
> a shill
> >A A is someone at an auction who is running up the bids for the
> benefit of
> >A A the seller or the auction house. I have no evidence just a gut
> feeling
> >A A hat this whole thing stinks and doesn't seem to make sense
> except as a
> >A A ploy to build up a perception that the market value for this
> particular
> >A A car or ring Bros creations is higher then one would expect and
> this
> >A A sale could be used to help establish a record or base line to
> establish
> >A A a market value. Any one else think it's odd? or am I just
> getting
> >A A Paranoid and or cynical?
> >A A Boyd
> >
> >A A On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 10:02 AM, Robert Pink
> >A A <[1][3][8]robpink2012 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >A A A AA A Yep it was bought by Richard Rawlings from the Fast
> and Loud TV
> >A A A showA
> >A A A AA A On Saturday, January 17, 2015, James coyne
> >A A A <[1][2][4][9]tecnosound at hotmail.com>
> >A A A AA A wrote:
> >A A A AA AA A AAA A I see that the Fabulous Ring Brothers
> Pantera "ADRNLN"
> >A A A sold for
> >A A A AA AA A AAA A $330,000.00
> >A A A AA AA A AAA A From:
> [2][3][5][10]ihannington286720mi at comcast.net
> >A A A AA AA A AAA A To: [3][4][6][11]detomaso at poca.com
> >A A A AA AA A AAA A Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 22:40:42 -0500
> >A A A AA AA A AAA A Subject: [DeTomaso] FW: Barrett-Jackson
> Panteras
> >A A A AA AA A From: Ian H
>[[12]mailto:[4][5][7]ian351 at comcast.net]
> >A A A AA AA A Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 10:18 PM
> >A A A AA AA A To: 'DeTomaso Mail List'
> >A A A AA AA A Subject: Barrett-Jackson Panteras
> >A A A AA AA A There are 6 Panteras at barrett-Jackson this
> year.AAA One
> >A A A sold
> >A A A AA AA A yesterday for
> >A A A AA AA A $77,000 and two sold today one for $55,000 the
> other for
> >A A A $123,000.
> >A A A AA A
> >A A A A
>
>[1][5][6][8][13]http://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1972
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