[DeTomaso] Barrett-Jackson Ring Bros Panteras

Will Kooiman will.kooiman at gmail.com
Tue Jan 20 17:30:14 EST 2015


It is bad press to have Panteras associated with Richard Rawlings.

We already have to deal with the redneck image.  This just makes it worse.

I have nothing against him.  I'd never take my car to him, but I enjoy his
show.
--
Will





On 1/20/15 3:55 PM, "Boyd Casey" <boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:

>   And as a "reseller" he won't be subject to sales tax as long as he
>   carries it as inventory.
>
>   On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Pantdino <[1]pantdino at aol.com> wrote:
>
>     I presume the "deductable amount" would be what he "donated" / paid
>     minus the "market value" of the car. Which he could ascribe some low
>     number to, say $100K, and take $230K as a charitable contribution
>     deduction.A  Under this scenario he would pay something like $110K
>     less taxes (state and local, depending on where he lives) so the car
>     actually cost him $200K or so.A  Still not exactly cheap. But he
>     probably bought it thru his business, so any losses will be
>     deductable from his business profits, etc, etc..
>
>   A
>
>   So the car -----Original Message-----
>   From: Boyd Casey <[2]boyd411 at gmail.com>
>   To: Ed Mendez <[3]edducati at mac.com>
>   Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <[4]detomaso at poca.com>; Ian Hannington
>   <[5]ihannington286720mi at comcast.net>
>   Sent: Mon, Jan 19, 2015 10:26 am
>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Barrett-Jackson Ring Bros Panteras
>
>   Your absolutely correct Ed. I didn't know that this was a charitable
>   auction. Besides driving up prices because of the Charitable nature of
>   the auction , sometimes the buyer can derive benefits in the form of a
>   tax deductions for A purchases made at auctions where 100% of the
>   proceeds go to charity. Richard Rawlings could probably use some tax
>   deductions with the apparent income he is making from his car
>   business,his restaurant, and all his recent appearances on commercials
>   for Dodge. Also any contributions to charity certainly won't hurt his
>   image as a beer swilling redneck. JMHO
>   Boyd
>
>   On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Ed Mendez <[1][6]edducati at mac.com>
>   wrote:
>
>     I believe the proceeds for Ring Bros went to charity so those are
>     usually on a different level then a car that is not for charity. I
>     remember Don Johnson's convertible challenger with a 318 went for
>     $500,000 because it was for charity. It was from the Miami Vice
>     show.
>     Ed
>     Sent from my iPhone 5
>     > On Jan 19, 2015, at 09:43, Boyd Casey <[2][7]boyd411 at gmail.com>
>     wrote:
>     >
>     >A  A I smell a rat! Richard Rawlings doesn't seem to be a big fan
>     of
>     >A  A Panteras (if past shows are to be believed) but then again
>     this is not
>     >A  A really a Pantera!. He also seems to be driven by only one
>     thing and
>     >A  A that is Profit! How he expects to make a profit on a $330,000
>     custom
>     >A  A car that used to be a pantera is beyond my ability to
>     comprehend. It
>     >A  A reminds me of a shill transaction. For those of you who have
>     not had a
>     >A  A A lot of experience at auctions of dealing with scam artists,
>     a shill
>     >A  A is someone at an auction who is running up the bids for the
>     benefit of
>     >A  A the seller or the auction house. I have no evidence just a gut
>     feeling
>     >A  A hat this whole thing stinks and doesn't seem to make sense
>     except as a
>     >A  A ploy to build up a perception that the market value for this
>     particular
>     >A  A car or ring Bros creations is higher then one would expect and
>     this
>     >A  A sale could be used to help establish a record or base line to
>     establish
>     >A  A a market value. Any one else think it's odd? or am I just
>     getting
>     >A  A Paranoid and or cynical?
>     >A  A Boyd
>     >
>     >A  A On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 10:02 AM, Robert Pink
>     >A  A <[1][3][8]robpink2012 at gmail.com> wrote:
>     >
>     >A  A  A AA  A Yep it was bought by Richard Rawlings from the Fast
>     and Loud TV
>     >A  A  A showA
>     >A  A  A AA  A On Saturday, January 17, 2015, James coyne
>     >A  A  A <[1][2][4][9]tecnosound at hotmail.com>
>     >A  A  A AA  A wrote:
>     >A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  A I see that the Fabulous Ring Brothers
>     Pantera "ADRNLN"
>     >A  A  A sold for
>     >A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  A $330,000.00
>     >A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  A From:
>     [2][3][5][10]ihannington286720mi at comcast.net
>     >A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  A To: [3][4][6][11]detomaso at poca.com
>     >A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  A Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 22:40:42 -0500
>     >A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  A Subject: [DeTomaso] FW: Barrett-Jackson
>     Panteras
>     >A  A  A AA  AA  A From: Ian H
>[[12]mailto:[4][5][7]ian351 at comcast.net]
>     >A  A  A AA  AA  A Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 10:18 PM
>     >A  A  A AA  AA  A To: 'DeTomaso Mail List'
>     >A  A  A AA  AA  A Subject: Barrett-Jackson Panteras
>     >A  A  A AA  AA  A There are 6 Panteras at barrett-Jackson this
>     year.AAA  One
>     >A  A  A sold
>     >A  A  A AA  AA  A yesterday for
>     >A  A  A AA  AA  A $77,000 and two sold today one for $55,000 the
>     other for
>     >A  A  A $123,000.
>     >A  A  A AA  A
>     >A  A  A A
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