[DeTomaso] New Ford GT Twin Turbo V6
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Sat Jan 17 14:54:46 EST 2015
Oh yes, I can live with this noise 😍😁
> 16 jan 2015 kl. 22:42 skrev "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michael at michaelshortt.com>:
>
> You can hear it here.
> [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3C-qSRnqUZg
> [2]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMD3Vu3xL-c
> Michael Shortt
>
> On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 4:04 PM, Sean Korb <[3]spkorb at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> A A I also think the sound is something I really want to keep.AA
> But I also
> A A think the Buick GN motor is the answer to a lot of questions
> that have
> A A not been asked yet.AA All cars should come with one as the
> base
> A A platform.
> A A sean
> A A On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Curt Hall
> <[1][4]cuvee at sbcglobal.net>
> A A wrote:
> A A A AA A For me...as Cool as the twin turbo V6 or even a turbo
> 4 may
> A A A be,...I
> A A A AA A would think the sound from those two Engines in a
> Pantera would
> A A A just
> A A A AA A sound wrong! But that's just me. That said...I also
> believe...
> A A A What
> A A A AA A Ever Float Your Boat! It's your Car! I would still
> enjoy seeing
> A A A it!
> A A A AA A Curt
> A A A AA A On Friday, January 16, 2015 12:08 PM,
> A A A "[2][5]michael at michaelshortt.com"
> A A A AA A <[3][6]michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote:
> A A A AA AA A The crate version is 365 hp, 417 lbs at around
> $8,500
> A A A AA AA A Michael Shortt
> A A A AA AA A On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 2:51 PM, Dave
> A A A <[1][1][4][7]dave at damardirect.com>
> A A A AA A wrote:
> A A A AA AA AA A Take a look at the engine specs on the 85-87
> Buick GN, 6
> A A A cyl. I
> A A A AA AA AA A understand that was years ago but at the time,
> 85-87, it
> A A A was the
> A A A AA AA AA A fastest US production car. It was a big car
> compared to
> A A A sports
> A A A AA A cars.
> A A A AA AA AA A It met its demise because of Corvette
> management.
> A A A AA AA AA A IndyDave
> A A A AA AA AA A -----Original Message-----
> A A A AA AA AA A From: [2][2][5][8]cengles at cox.net
> A A A [mailto:[3][3][6][9]cengles at cox.net]
> A A A AA AA AA A Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 10:53 AM
> A A AA AA AA A Cc: [4][4][7][10]detomaso at poca.com
> A A AA AA AA A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Ford GT Twin Turbo V6
> A A AA AA AA A Dear Forum,
> A A AA AA AA A AAA AAA AAA AAA AAA AAA AAA AAA In a
> coincidence, there is
> A A an interesting
> A A AA AA AA A article in the new Road and Track about
> turbocharging modern
> A A AA A engines
> A A AA AA AA A in modern sports
> A A AA AA AA A cars.AAA A FWIW.
> A A AA AA AA A AAA AAA AAA AAA AAA AAA AAA AAA Full
> disclosure:AAA complete
> A A article is Rare
> A A AA AA AA A Forced Air on
> A A AA AA AA A page 27-28 in the Feb 2015 Road&Track by Jason
> Cammisa.
> A A AA AA AA A AAA AAA AAA AAA AAA AAA AAA A These are my
> selected
> A A highlights from that
> A A AA AA AA A article.
> A A AA AA AA A Complete disclosure: I am not a fan of
> turbos.AAA I prefer
> A A normally
> A A AA AA AA A aspirated engines for a number of reasons and
> this article
> A A supports
> A A AA AA AA A my
> A A AA AA AA A opinion.AAA While the new Ford GT has a twin
> turbo Ecotec
> A A V-6, I
> A A AA AA AA A would
> A A AA AA AA A prefer it to have a normally aspirated Coyote or
> the new
> A A flat crank
> A A AA AA AA A V8.
> A A AA AA AA A A From Jason Cammisa:
> A A AA AA AA A aWe donat like the turbo,a said theAAA man with
> an Italian
> A A accent,
> A A AA AA AA A abut it
> A A AA AA AA A is the right way to reduce emissions without
> sacrificing
> A A AA AA AA A performance.a
> A A AA AA AA A A rare moment of honesty, then a graceful
> slingshot into the
> A A same
> A A AA AA AA A turbo
> A A AA AA AA A spin weave heard from all corners of the globe.
> A A AA AA AA A The fact is, every car company is being forced
> into forced
> A A AA AA AA A induction,
> A A AA AA AA A for the exact reasons our Italian friend
> gave.AAA Since
> A A neither he
> A A AA AA AA A nor the
> A A AA AA AA A company he works for, Ferrari, can come out and
> say it, I
> A A will:
> A A AA AA AA A Turbos
> A A AA AA AA A arenat the best solution, especially for
> high-performance
> A A cars, and
> A A AA AA AA A they
> A A AA AA AA A donat always provide the benefits that carmakers
> claim they
> A A do.
> A A AA AA AA A Turbos, which are powered by exhaust energy that
> is
> A A otherwise
> A A AA AA AA A wasted,
> A A AA AA AA A increase engine output by forcing extra air into
> the
> A A cylinders,
> A A AA AA AA A prompting the fuel injectors to provide more fuel
> for
> A A combustion.A
> A A AA AA AA A More
> A A AA AA AA A combustion, alas, means more heat.AAA To keep
> the engine
> A A from
> A A AA AA AA A overheating,
> A A AA AA AA A turbo engines inject excess gas under boost.AAA
> It seems
> A A counter
> A A AA AA AA A intuitive, but this arich mixturea cools down
> combustion and
> A A AA A reduces
> A A AA AA AA A exhaust temperatures.AAA It is also a double
> whammy fuel
> A A economy
> A A AA AA AA A killer,
> A A AA AA AA A because burning that extra fuel doesnat help the
> engine make
> A A more
> A A AA AA AA A power,
> A A AA AA AA A it actually reduces output.
> A A AA AA AA A a|.out in the real world, riding that big,
> effortless wave
> A A of
> A A AA AA AA A boosted
> A A AA AA AA A midrange torque means burning extra fuelaand
> creating even
> A A more
> A A AA AA AA A CO2.AAA So
> A A AA AA AA A much for reducing emissions.
> A A AA AA AA A Performance, in this sense, refers solely to
> A A acceleration.AAA The
> A A AA AA AA A Ferrari
> A A AA AA AA A California Tas turbo 3.9 liter 553 hp V8 easily
> outmuscles
> A A the old
> A A AA AA AA A Californiaas naturally aspirated 4.3 liter 483 hp
> v8.AA
> A A Mission
> A A AA AA AA A accomplished.AAA Except thereas more to an
> engineas behavior
> A A than
> A A AA AA AA A going
> A A AA AA AA A fast in a straight line.AAA The way the engine
> generates
> A A power aits
> A A AA AA AA A personality, if you will---is just as important
> as the
> A A numbers.AAA A
> A A AA AA AA A For
> A A AA AA AA A the entire history of the marque, Ferrarias
> engines have
> A A delivered
> A A AA AA AA A urgency and drama in lockstep with revs, creating
> a festival
> A A of
> A A AA AA AA A sound
> A A AA AA AA A and fury as they raced toward a redline.AAA
> Ferrari engines
> A A love to
> A A AA AA AA A rev,
> A A AA AA AA A which is one of the main reasons we love
> Ferraris.
> A A AA AA AA A Once thereas a turbo impeller muffling the
> screaming glory
> A A of that
> A A AA AA AA A prancing horse, youare talking about an entirely
> different
> A A animal.
> A A AA AA AA A Engines with turbos big enough to provide boost
> throughout
> A A the
> A A AA AA AA A operating
> A A AA AA AA A range produce peak torque at low revs and then
> gradually run
> A A out of
> A A AA AA AA A steam, like turbodiesels do.AAA To combat that,
> A A gas-powertrain
> A A AA AA AA A engineers
> A A AA AA AA A artificially create broad torque plateaus by
> limiting boost
> A A at
> A A AA A lower
> A A AA AA AA A engine speeds.AAA That electronic trickery helps
> the engine
> A A more
> A A AA AA AA A closely
> A A AA AA AA A emulate a naturally aspirated one, but even that
> isnat
> A A enough for
> A A AA AA AA A Ferrari.AAA The California Tas computer also
> looks at gear
> A A position
> A A AA AA AA A and
> A A AA AA AA A limits max boost in lower gears to encourage its
> driver to
> A A revel in
> A A AA AA AA A the
> A A AA AA AA A gears.
> A A AA AA AA A Turbo lag.AAA Ferrari claims the Californiaas
> new turbo
> A A engine has
> A A AA AA AA A azero
> A A AA AA AA A turbo laga and ainstantaneous response,a then
> defines
> A A response time
> A A AA AA AA A as,
> A A AA AA AA A aless than one second.a Really?AAA In a car that
> can hit 60
> A A mph in
> A A AA AA AA A three
> A A AA AA AA A seconds, one second, is anything but
> instantaneous.
> A A AA AA AA A Immediate, predictable response is a requirement
> in any
> A A driveras
> A A AA AA AA A car.
> A A AA AA AA A Naturally aspirated engines react without delay
> to throttle
> A A inputs,
> A A AA AA AA A but
> A A AA AA AA A a turbo engine is vastly more complicated.AAA It
> has two
> A A torque
> A A AA AA AA A curvesaone
> A A AA AA AA A when it is off boost and one when it is at full
> puff.
> A A AA AA AA A A naturally aspirated engineas output is
> determined by the
> A A position
> A A AA AA AA A of
> A A AA AA AA A the pedal and the engine speed, period.AAA
> Turbos change
> A A that into a
> A A AA AA AA A complicated matrix with far too many variables
> for a driver
> A A to keep
> A A AA AA AA A track of.
> A A AA AA AA A Modern Ferraris do what you ask, when you ask,
> how you
> A A ask.AAA They
> A A AA AA AA A are
> A A AA AA AA A pretty much perfect.AAA Although their forth
> coming
> A A turbocharged
> A A AA AA AA A replacements will almost certainly be faster, I
> fear they
> A A will be
> A A AA AA AA A undriveable without assistance from an onboard
> A A supercomputer.
> A A AA AA AA A It as sad that the marquee feels compelled by
> government
> A A policy to
> A A AA AA AA A bolt
> A A AA AA AA A turbos on to their lovely engines, when it wonat
> make a whit
> A A of
> A A AA AA AA A difference to air quality.AAA A And it is doubly
> sad that we
> A A all
> A A AA A know
> A A AA AA AA A it
> A A AA AA A will change the way Ferraris drive.a
> A A AA AA A AAA AAA AAA AAA AAA AAA AAA AAA AAA AAA
> AAA AAA A Warmest
> A A regards,AAA Chuck Engles
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