[DeTomaso] New Ford GT Twin Turbo V6

thomas thomas at hax.se
Sat Jan 17 14:54:46 EST 2015


Oh yes, I can live with this noise 😍😁


> 16 jan 2015 kl. 22:42 skrev "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michael at michaelshortt.com>:
> 
>   You can hear it here.
>   [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3C-qSRnqUZg
>   [2]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMD3Vu3xL-c
>   Michael Shortt
> 
>   On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 4:04 PM, Sean Korb <[3]spkorb at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>     A  A I also think the sound is something I really want to keep.AA
>     But I also
>     A  A think the Buick GN motor is the answer to a lot of questions
>     that have
>     A  A not been asked yet.AA  All cars should come with one as the
>     base
>     A  A platform.
>     A  A sean
>     A  A On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Curt Hall
>     <[1][4]cuvee at sbcglobal.net>
>     A  A wrote:
>     A  A  A AA  A For me...as Cool as the twin turbo V6 or even a turbo
>     4 may
>     A  A  A be,...I
>     A  A  A AA  A would think the sound from those two Engines in a
>     Pantera would
>     A  A  A just
>     A  A  A AA  A sound wrong! But that's just me. That said...I also
>     believe...
>     A  A  A What
>     A  A  A AA  A Ever Float Your Boat! It's your Car! I would still
>     enjoy seeing
>     A  A  A it!
>     A  A  A AA  A Curt
>     A  A  A AA  A On Friday, January 16, 2015 12:08 PM,
>     A  A  A "[2][5]michael at michaelshortt.com"
>     A  A  A AA  A <[3][6]michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote:
>     A  A  A AA  AA  A The crate version is 365 hp, 417 lbs at around
>     $8,500
>     A  A  A AA  AA  A Michael Shortt
>     A  A  A AA  AA  A On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 2:51 PM, Dave
>     A  A  A <[1][1][4][7]dave at damardirect.com>
>     A  A  A AA  A wrote:
>     A  A  A AA  AA  AA  A Take a look at the engine specs on the 85-87
>     Buick GN, 6
>     A  A  A cyl. I
>     A  A  A AA  AA  AA  A understand that was years ago but at the time,
>     85-87, it
>     A  A  A was the
>     A  A  A AA  AA  AA  A fastest US production car. It was a big car
>     compared to
>     A  A  A sports
>     A  A  A AA  A cars.
>     A  A  A AA  AA  AA  A It met its demise because of Corvette
>     management.
>     A  A  A AA  AA  AA  A IndyDave
>     A  A  A AA  AA  AA  A -----Original Message-----
>     A  A  A AA  AA  AA  A From: [2][2][5][8]cengles at cox.net
>     A  A  A [mailto:[3][3][6][9]cengles at cox.net]
>     A  A  A AA  AA  AA  A Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 10:53 AM
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A Cc: [4][4][7][10]detomaso at poca.com
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Ford GT Twin Turbo V6
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A Dear Forum,
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A AAA  AAA  AAA  AAA  AAA  AAA  AAA  AAA  In a
>     coincidence, there is
>     A  A an interesting
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A article in the new Road and Track about
>     turbocharging modern
>     A  A AA  A engines
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A in modern sports
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A cars.AAA  A FWIW.
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A AAA  AAA  AAA  AAA  AAA  AAA  AAA  AAA  Full
>     disclosure:AAA  complete
>     A  A article is Rare
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A Forced Air on
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A page 27-28 in the Feb 2015 Road&Track by Jason
>     Cammisa.
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A AAA  AAA  AAA  AAA  AAA  AAA  AAA  A These are my
>     selected
>     A  A highlights from that
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A article.
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A Complete disclosure: I am not a fan of
>     turbos.AAA  I prefer
>     A  A normally
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A aspirated engines for a number of reasons and
>     this article
>     A  A supports
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A my
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A opinion.AAA  While the new Ford GT has a twin
>     turbo Ecotec
>     A  A V-6, I
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A would
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A prefer it to have a normally aspirated Coyote or
>     the new
>     A  A flat crank
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A V8.
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A A From Jason Cammisa:
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A aWe donat like the turbo,a said theAAA  man with
>     an Italian
>     A  A accent,
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A abut it
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A is the right way to reduce emissions without
>     sacrificing
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A performance.a
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A A rare moment of honesty, then a graceful
>     slingshot into the
>     A  A same
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A turbo
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A spin weave heard from all corners of the globe.
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A The fact is, every car company is being forced
>     into forced
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A induction,
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A for the exact reasons our Italian friend
>     gave.AAA  Since
>     A  A neither he
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A nor the
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A company he works for, Ferrari, can come out and
>     say it, I
>     A  A will:
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A Turbos
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A arenat the best solution, especially for
>     high-performance
>     A  A cars, and
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A they
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A donat always provide the benefits that carmakers
>     claim they
>     A  A do.
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A Turbos, which are powered by exhaust energy that
>     is
>     A  A otherwise
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A wasted,
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A increase engine output by forcing extra air into
>     the
>     A  A cylinders,
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A prompting the fuel injectors to provide more fuel
>     for
>     A  A combustion.A
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A More
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A combustion, alas, means more heat.AAA  To keep
>     the engine
>     A  A from
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A overheating,
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A turbo engines inject excess gas under boost.AAA
>     It seems
>     A  A counter
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A intuitive, but this arich mixturea cools down
>     combustion and
>     A  A AA  A reduces
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A exhaust temperatures.AAA  It is also a double
>     whammy fuel
>     A  A economy
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A killer,
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A because burning that extra fuel doesnat help the
>     engine make
>     A  A more
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A power,
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A it actually reduces output.
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A a|.out in the real world, riding that big,
>     effortless wave
>     A  A of
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A boosted
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A midrange torque means burning extra fuelaand
>     creating even
>     A  A more
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A CO2.AAA  So
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A much for reducing emissions.
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A Performance, in this sense, refers solely to
>     A  A acceleration.AAA  The
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A Ferrari
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A California Tas turbo 3.9 liter 553 hp V8 easily
>     outmuscles
>     A  A the old
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A Californiaas naturally aspirated 4.3 liter 483 hp
>     v8.AA
>     A  A Mission
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A accomplished.AAA  Except thereas more to an
>     engineas behavior
>     A  A than
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A going
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A fast in a straight line.AAA  The way the engine
>     generates
>     A  A power aits
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A personality, if you will---is just as important
>     as the
>     A  A numbers.AAA  A
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A For
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A the entire history of the marque, Ferrarias
>     engines have
>     A  A delivered
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A urgency and drama in lockstep with revs, creating
>     a festival
>     A  A of
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A sound
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A and fury as they raced toward a redline.AAA
>     Ferrari engines
>     A  A love to
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A rev,
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A which is one of the main reasons we love
>     Ferraris.
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A Once thereas a turbo impeller muffling the
>     screaming glory
>     A  A of that
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A prancing horse, youare talking about an entirely
>     different
>     A  A animal.
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A Engines with turbos big enough to provide boost
>     throughout
>     A  A the
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A operating
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A range produce peak torque at low revs and then
>     gradually run
>     A  A out of
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A steam, like turbodiesels do.AAA  To combat that,
>     A  A gas-powertrain
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A engineers
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A artificially create broad torque plateaus by
>     limiting boost
>     A  A at
>     A  A AA  A lower
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A engine speeds.AAA  That electronic trickery helps
>     the engine
>     A  A more
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A closely
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A emulate a naturally aspirated one, but even that
>     isnat
>     A  A enough for
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A Ferrari.AAA  The California Tas computer also
>     looks at gear
>     A  A position
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A and
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A limits max boost in lower gears to encourage its
>     driver to
>     A  A revel in
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A the
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A gears.
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A Turbo lag.AAA  Ferrari claims the Californiaas
>     new turbo
>     A  A engine has
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A azero
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A turbo laga and ainstantaneous response,a then
>     defines
>     A  A response time
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A as,
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A aless than one second.a Really?AAA  In a car that
>     can hit 60
>     A  A mph in
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A three
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A seconds, one second, is anything but
>     instantaneous.
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A Immediate, predictable response is a requirement
>     in any
>     A  A driveras
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A car.
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A Naturally aspirated engines react without delay
>     to throttle
>     A  A inputs,
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A but
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A a turbo engine is vastly more complicated.AAA  It
>     has two
>     A  A torque
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A curvesaone
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A when it is off boost and one when it is at full
>     puff.
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A A naturally aspirated engineas output is
>     determined by the
>     A  A position
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A of
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A the pedal and the engine speed, period.AAA
>     Turbos change
>     A  A that into a
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A complicated matrix with far too many variables
>     for a driver
>     A  A to keep
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A track of.
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A Modern Ferraris do what you ask, when you ask,
>     how you
>     A  A ask.AAA  They
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A are
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A pretty much perfect.AAA  Although their forth
>     coming
>     A  A turbocharged
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A replacements will almost certainly be faster, I
>     fear they
>     A  A will be
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A undriveable without assistance from an onboard
>     A  A supercomputer.
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A It as sad that the marquee feels compelled by
>     government
>     A  A policy to
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A bolt
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A turbos on to their lovely engines, when it wonat
>     make a whit
>     A  A of
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A difference to air quality.AAA  A And it is doubly
>     sad that we
>     A  A all
>     A  A AA  A know
>     A  A AA  AA  AA  A it
>     A  A AA  AA  A will change the way Ferraris drive.a
>     A  A AA  AA  A AAA  AAA  AAA  AAA  AAA  AAA  AAA  AAA  AAA  AAA
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>     A  A regards,AAA  Chuck Engles
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>  19. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>  20. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>  21. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>  22. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>  23. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>  24. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>  25. mailto:dave at damardirect.com
>  26. mailto:cengles at cox.net
>  27. mailto:cengles at cox.net
>  28. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>  29. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>  30. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>  31. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>  32. mailto:dave at damardirect.com
>  33. mailto:cengles at cox.net
>  34. mailto:cengles at cox.net
>  35. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>  36. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>  37. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>  38. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>  39. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>  40. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>  41. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>  42. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>  43. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>  44. mailto:spkorb at spkorb.org
>  45. http://www.spkorb.org/
>  46. mailto:cuvee at sbcglobal.net
>  47. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>  48. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>  49. mailto:dave at damardirect.com
>  50. mailto:cengles at cox.net
>  51. mailto:cengles at cox.net
>  52. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>  53. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>  54. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>  55. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>  56. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>  57. tel:912-232-9390
>  58. mailto:dave at damardirect.com
>  59. mailto:cengles at cox.net
>  60. mailto:cengles at cox.net
>  61. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>  62. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>  63. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>  64. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>  65. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>  66. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>  67. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>  68. mailto:dave at damardirect.com
>  69. mailto:cengles at cox.net
>  70. mailto:cengles at cox.net
>  71. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>  72. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>  73. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>  74. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>  75. mailto:dave at damardirect.com
>  76. mailto:cengles at cox.net
>  77. mailto:cengles at cox.net
>  78. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>  79. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>  80. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>  81. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>  82. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>  83. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>  84. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>  85. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>  86. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>  87. mailto:spkorb at spkorb.org
>  88. http://www.spkorb.org/
>  89. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>  90. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>  91. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>  92. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
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