[DeTomaso] New Ford GT Twin Turbo V6

Charles Engles cengles at cox.net
Fri Jan 16 22:53:55 EST 2015


Dear Bill:  I will certainly drink to that.    Warmest regards, Chuck Engles




-----Original Message-----
>From Bill Moore 
Cc: detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Ford GT Twin Turbo V6

"I don't care what it sounds like, just so long as it wins that little race
in France."


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-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
michael at michaelshortt.com
Sent: January-16-15 2:42 PM
To: Sean Korb
Cc: detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Ford GT Twin Turbo V6

You can hear it here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3C-qSRnqUZg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMD3Vu3xL-c


Michael Shortt


On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 4:04 PM, Sean Korb <spkorb at gmail.com> wrote:

>    I also think the sound is something I really want to keep.A  But I also
>    think the Buick GN motor is the answer to a lot of questions that have
>    not been asked yet.A  All cars should come with one as the base
>    platform.
>    sean
>
>    On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Curt Hall <[1]cuvee at sbcglobal.net>
>    wrote:
>
>      A  A For me...as Cool as the twin turbo V6 or even a turbo 4 may
>      be,...I
>      A  A would think the sound from those two Engines in a Pantera would
>      just
>      A  A sound wrong! But that's just me. That said...I also believe...
>      What
>      A  A Ever Float Your Boat! It's your Car! I would still enjoy seeing
>      it!
>      A  A Curt
>      A  A On Friday, January 16, 2015 12:08 PM,
>      "[2]michael at michaelshortt.com"
>      A  A <[3]michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote:
>      A  A  A The crate version is 365 hp, 417 lbs at around $8,500
>      A  A  A Michael Shortt
>      A  A  A On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 2:51 PM, Dave
>      <[1][1][4]dave at damardirect.com>
>      A  A wrote:
>      A  A  A  A Take a look at the engine specs on the 85-87 Buick GN, 6
>      cyl. I
>      A  A  A  A understand that was years ago but at the time, 85-87, it
>      was the
>      A  A  A  A fastest US production car. It was a big car compared to
>      sports
>      A  A cars.
>      A  A  A  A It met its demise because of Corvette management.
>      A  A  A  A IndyDave
>      A  A  A  A -----Original Message-----
>      A  A  A  A From: [2][2][5]cengles at cox.net
>      [mailto:[3][3][6]cengles at cox.net]
>      A  A  A  A Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 10:53 AM
>
>    A  A  A  A Cc: [4][4][7]detomaso at poca.com
>    A  A  A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Ford GT Twin Turbo V6
>    A  A  A  A Dear Forum,
>    A  A  A  A AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  In a coincidence, there is
>    an interesting
>    A  A  A  A article in the new Road and Track about turbocharging modern
>    A  A engines
>    A  A  A  A in modern sports
>    A  A  A  A cars.AA  A FWIW.
>    A  A  A  A AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  Full disclosure:AA  complete
>    article is Rare
>    A  A  A  A Forced Air on
>    A  A  A  A page 27-28 in the Feb 2015 Road&Track by Jason Cammisa.
>    A  A  A  A AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  A These are my selected
>    highlights from that
>    A  A  A  A article.
>    A  A  A  A Complete disclosure: I am not a fan of turbos.AA  I prefer
>    normally
>    A  A  A  A aspirated engines for a number of reasons and this article
>    supports
>    A  A  A  A my
>    A  A  A  A opinion.AA  While the new Ford GT has a twin turbo Ecotec
>    V-6, I
>    A  A  A  A would
>    A  A  A  A prefer it to have a normally aspirated Coyote or the new
>    flat crank
>    A  A  A  A V8.
>    A  A  A  A A From Jason Cammisa:
>    A  A  A  A aWe donat like the turbo,a said theAA  man with an Italian
>    accent,
>    A  A  A  A abut it
>    A  A  A  A is the right way to reduce emissions without sacrificing
>    A  A  A  A performance.a
>    A  A  A  A A rare moment of honesty, then a graceful slingshot into the
>    same
>    A  A  A  A turbo
>    A  A  A  A spin weave heard from all corners of the globe.
>    A  A  A  A The fact is, every car company is being forced into forced
>    A  A  A  A induction,
>    A  A  A  A for the exact reasons our Italian friend gave.AA  Since
>    neither he
>    A  A  A  A nor the
>    A  A  A  A company he works for, Ferrari, can come out and say it, I
>    will:
>    A  A  A  A Turbos
>    A  A  A  A arenat the best solution, especially for high-performance
>    cars, and
>    A  A  A  A they
>    A  A  A  A donat always provide the benefits that carmakers claim they
>    do.
>    A  A  A  A Turbos, which are powered by exhaust energy that is
>    otherwise
>    A  A  A  A wasted,
>    A  A  A  A increase engine output by forcing extra air into the
>    cylinders,
>    A  A  A  A prompting the fuel injectors to provide more fuel for
>    combustion.A
>    A  A  A  A More
>    A  A  A  A combustion, alas, means more heat.AA  To keep the engine
>    from
>    A  A  A  A overheating,
>    A  A  A  A turbo engines inject excess gas under boost.AA  It seems
>    counter
>    A  A  A  A intuitive, but this arich mixturea cools down combustion and
>    A  A reduces
>    A  A  A  A exhaust temperatures.AA  It is also a double whammy fuel
>    economy
>    A  A  A  A killer,
>    A  A  A  A because burning that extra fuel doesnat help the engine make
>    more
>    A  A  A  A power,
>    A  A  A  A it actually reduces output.
>    A  A  A  A a|.out in the real world, riding that big, effortless wave
>    of
>    A  A  A  A boosted
>    A  A  A  A midrange torque means burning extra fuelaand creating even
>    more
>    A  A  A  A CO2.AA  So
>    A  A  A  A much for reducing emissions.
>    A  A  A  A Performance, in this sense, refers solely to
>    acceleration.AA  The
>    A  A  A  A Ferrari
>    A  A  A  A California Tas turbo 3.9 liter 553 hp V8 easily outmuscles
>    the old
>    A  A  A  A Californiaas naturally aspirated 4.3 liter 483 hp v8.AA
>    Mission
>    A  A  A  A accomplished.AA  Except thereas more to an engineas behavior
>    than
>    A  A  A  A going
>    A  A  A  A fast in a straight line.AA  The way the engine generates
>    power aits
>    A  A  A  A personality, if you will---is just as important as the
>    numbers.AA  A
>    A  A  A  A For
>    A  A  A  A the entire history of the marque, Ferrarias engines have
>    delivered
>    A  A  A  A urgency and drama in lockstep with revs, creating a festival
>    of
>    A  A  A  A sound
>    A  A  A  A and fury as they raced toward a redline.AA  Ferrari engines
>    love to
>    A  A  A  A rev,
>    A  A  A  A which is one of the main reasons we love Ferraris.
>    A  A  A  A Once thereas a turbo impeller muffling the screaming glory
>    of that
>    A  A  A  A prancing horse, youare talking about an entirely different
>    animal.
>    A  A  A  A Engines with turbos big enough to provide boost throughout
>    the
>    A  A  A  A operating
>    A  A  A  A range produce peak torque at low revs and then gradually run
>    out of
>    A  A  A  A steam, like turbodiesels do.AA  To combat that,
>    gas-powertrain
>    A  A  A  A engineers
>    A  A  A  A artificially create broad torque plateaus by limiting boost
>    at
>    A  A lower
>    A  A  A  A engine speeds.AA  That electronic trickery helps the engine
>    more
>    A  A  A  A closely
>    A  A  A  A emulate a naturally aspirated one, but even that isnat
>    enough for
>    A  A  A  A Ferrari.AA  The California Tas computer also looks at gear
>    position
>    A  A  A  A and
>    A  A  A  A limits max boost in lower gears to encourage its driver to
>    revel in
>    A  A  A  A the
>    A  A  A  A gears.
>    A  A  A  A Turbo lag.AA  Ferrari claims the Californiaas new turbo
>    engine has
>    A  A  A  A azero
>    A  A  A  A turbo laga and ainstantaneous response,a then defines
>    response time
>    A  A  A  A as,
>    A  A  A  A aless than one second.a Really?AA  In a car that can hit 60
>    mph in
>    A  A  A  A three
>    A  A  A  A seconds, one second, is anything but instantaneous.
>    A  A  A  A Immediate, predictable response is a requirement in any
>    driveras
>    A  A  A  A car.
>    A  A  A  A Naturally aspirated engines react without delay to throttle
>    inputs,
>    A  A  A  A but
>    A  A  A  A a turbo engine is vastly more complicated.AA  It has two
>    torque
>    A  A  A  A curvesaone
>    A  A  A  A when it is off boost and one when it is at full puff.
>    A  A  A  A A naturally aspirated engineas output is determined by the
>    position
>    A  A  A  A of
>    A  A  A  A the pedal and the engine speed, period.AA  Turbos change
>    that into a
>    A  A  A  A complicated matrix with far too many variables for a driver
>    to keep
>    A  A  A  A track of.
>    A  A  A  A Modern Ferraris do what you ask, when you ask, how you
>    ask.AA  They
>    A  A  A  A are
>    A  A  A  A pretty much perfect.AA  Although their forth coming
>    turbocharged
>    A  A  A  A replacements will almost certainly be faster, I fear they
>    will be
>    A  A  A  A undriveable without assistance from an onboard
>    supercomputer.
>    A  A  A  A It as sad that the marquee feels compelled by government
>    policy to
>    A  A  A  A bolt
>    A  A  A  A turbos on to their lovely engines, when it wonat make a whit
>    of
>    A  A  A  A difference to air quality.AA  A And it is doubly sad that we
>    all
>    A  A know
>    A  A  A  A it
>    A  A  A will change the way Ferraris drive.a
>    A  A  A AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  A Warmest
>    regards,AA  Chuck Engles
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   Dear Bill:  I will certainly drink to that.    Warmest regards, Chuck
   Engles

   -----Original Message-----
   From Bill Moore
   Cc: detomaso at poca.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Ford GT Twin Turbo V6

   "I don't care what it sounds like, just so long as it wins that little
   race in France."

   Cheers:

   Please use my [1]bill at incendium.com email address in all messages.

   Bill Moore

   Incendium Supply Ltd.

   Suite 416, #305-4625 Varsity Drive N.W.

   Calgary, AB T3A 0Z9

   403.202.0055

   -----Original Message-----

   From: DeTomaso [[2]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
   [3]michael at michaelshortt.com

   Sent: January-16-15 2:42 PM

   To: Sean Korb

   Cc: [4]detomaso at poca.com

   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Ford GT Twin Turbo V6

   You can hear it here.

   [5]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3C-qSRnqUZg

   [6]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMD3Vu3xL-c

   Michael Shortt

   On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 4:04 PM, Sean Korb <[7]spkorb at gmail.com> wrote:

   >    I also think the sound is something I really want to keep.A  But I
   also

   >    think the Buick GN motor is the answer to a lot of questions that
   have

   >    not been asked yet.A  All cars should come with one as the base

   >    platform.

   >    sean

   >

   >    On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Curt Hall
   <[1][8]cuvee at sbcglobal.net>

   >    wrote:

   >

   >      A  A For me...as Cool as the twin turbo V6 or even a turbo 4 may

   >      be,...I

   >      A  A would think the sound from those two Engines in a Pantera
   would

   >      just

   >      A  A sound wrong! But that's just me. That said...I also
   believe...

   >      What

   >      A  A Ever Float Your Boat! It's your Car! I would still enjoy
   seeing

   >      it!

   >      A  A Curt

   >      A  A On Friday, January 16, 2015 12:08 PM,

   >      "[2][9]michael at michaelshortt.com"

   >      A  A <[3][10]michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote:

   >      A  A  A The crate version is 365 hp, 417 lbs at around $8,500

   >      A  A  A Michael Shortt

   >      A  A  A On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 2:51 PM, Dave

   >      <[1][1][4][11]dave at damardirect.com>

   >      A  A wrote:

   >      A  A  A  A Take a look at the engine specs on the 85-87 Buick
   GN, 6

   >      cyl. I

   >      A  A  A  A understand that was years ago but at the time, 85-87,
   it

   >      was the

   >      A  A  A  A fastest US production car. It was a big car compared
   to

   >      sports

   >      A  A cars.

   >      A  A  A  A It met its demise because of Corvette management.

   >      A  A  A  A IndyDave

   >      A  A  A  A -----Original Message-----

   >      A  A  A  A From: [2][2][5][12]cengles at cox.net

   >      [mailto:[3][3][6][13]cengles at cox.net]

   >      A  A  A  A Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 10:53 AM

   >

   >    A  A  A  A Cc: [4][4][7][14]detomaso at poca.com

   >    A  A  A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Ford GT Twin Turbo V6

   >    A  A  A  A Dear Forum,

   >    A  A  A  A AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  In a coincidence, there
   is

   >    an interesting

   >    A  A  A  A article in the new Road and Track about turbocharging
   modern

   >    A  A engines

   >    A  A  A  A in modern sports

   >    A  A  A  A cars.AA  A FWIW.

   >    A  A  A  A AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  Full disclosure:AA
   complete

   >    article is Rare

   >    A  A  A  A Forced Air on

   >    A  A  A  A page 27-28 in the Feb 2015 Road&Track by Jason Cammisa.

   >    A  A  A  A AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  A These are my selected

   >    highlights from that

   >    A  A  A  A article.

   >    A  A  A  A Complete disclosure: I am not a fan of turbos.AA  I
   prefer

   >    normally

   >    A  A  A  A aspirated engines for a number of reasons and this
   article

   >    supports

   >    A  A  A  A my

   >    A  A  A  A opinion.AA  While the new Ford GT has a twin turbo
   Ecotec

   >    V-6, I

   >    A  A  A  A would

   >    A  A  A  A prefer it to have a normally aspirated Coyote or the
   new

   >    flat crank

   >    A  A  A  A V8.

   >    A  A  A  A A From Jason Cammisa:

   >    A  A  A  A aWe donat like the turbo,a said theAA  man with an
   Italian

   >    accent,

   >    A  A  A  A abut it

   >    A  A  A  A is the right way to reduce emissions without
   sacrificing

   >    A  A  A  A performance.a

   >    A  A  A  A A rare moment of honesty, then a graceful slingshot
   into the

   >    same

   >    A  A  A  A turbo

   >    A  A  A  A spin weave heard from all corners of the globe.

   >    A  A  A  A The fact is, every car company is being forced into
   forced

   >    A  A  A  A induction,

   >    A  A  A  A for the exact reasons our Italian friend gave.AA  Since

   >    neither he

   >    A  A  A  A nor the

   >    A  A  A  A company he works for, Ferrari, can come out and say it,
   I

   >    will:

   >    A  A  A  A Turbos

   >    A  A  A  A arenat the best solution, especially for
   high-performance

   >    cars, and

   >    A  A  A  A they

   >    A  A  A  A donat always provide the benefits that carmakers claim
   they

   >    do.

   >    A  A  A  A Turbos, which are powered by exhaust energy that is

   >    otherwise

   >    A  A  A  A wasted,

   >    A  A  A  A increase engine output by forcing extra air into the

   >    cylinders,

   >    A  A  A  A prompting the fuel injectors to provide more fuel for

   >    combustion.A

   >    A  A  A  A More

   >    A  A  A  A combustion, alas, means more heat.AA  To keep the
   engine

   >    from

   >    A  A  A  A overheating,

   >    A  A  A  A turbo engines inject excess gas under boost.AA  It
   seems

   >    counter

   >    A  A  A  A intuitive, but this arich mixturea cools down
   combustion and

   >    A  A reduces

   >    A  A  A  A exhaust temperatures.AA  It is also a double whammy
   fuel

   >    economy

   >    A  A  A  A killer,

   >    A  A  A  A because burning that extra fuel doesnat help the engine
   make

   >    more

   >    A  A  A  A power,

   >    A  A  A  A it actually reduces output.

   >    A  A  A  A a|.out in the real world, riding that big, effortless
   wave

   >    of

   >    A  A  A  A boosted

   >    A  A  A  A midrange torque means burning extra fuelaand creating
   even

   >    more

   >    A  A  A  A CO2.AA  So

   >    A  A  A  A much for reducing emissions.

   >    A  A  A  A Performance, in this sense, refers solely to

   >    acceleration.AA  The

   >    A  A  A  A Ferrari

   >    A  A  A  A California Tas turbo 3.9 liter 553 hp V8 easily
   outmuscles

   >    the old

   >    A  A  A  A Californiaas naturally aspirated 4.3 liter 483 hp v8.AA

   >    Mission

   >    A  A  A  A accomplished.AA  Except thereas more to an engineas
   behavior

   >    than

   >    A  A  A  A going

   >    A  A  A  A fast in a straight line.AA  The way the engine
   generates

   >    power aits

   >    A  A  A  A personality, if you will---is just as important as the

   >    numbers.AA  A

   >    A  A  A  A For

   >    A  A  A  A the entire history of the marque, Ferrarias engines
   have

   >    delivered

   >    A  A  A  A urgency and drama in lockstep with revs, creating a
   festival

   >    of

   >    A  A  A  A sound

   >    A  A  A  A and fury as they raced toward a redline.AA  Ferrari
   engines

   >    love to

   >    A  A  A  A rev,

   >    A  A  A  A which is one of the main reasons we love Ferraris.

   >    A  A  A  A Once thereas a turbo impeller muffling the screaming
   glory

   >    of that

   >    A  A  A  A prancing horse, youare talking about an entirely
   different

   >    animal.

   >    A  A  A  A Engines with turbos big enough to provide boost
   throughout

   >    the

   >    A  A  A  A operating

   >    A  A  A  A range produce peak torque at low revs and then
   gradually run

   >    out of

   >    A  A  A  A steam, like turbodiesels do.AA  To combat that,

   >    gas-powertrain

   >    A  A  A  A engineers

   >    A  A  A  A artificially create broad torque plateaus by limiting
   boost

   >    at

   >    A  A lower

   >    A  A  A  A engine speeds.AA  That electronic trickery helps the
   engine

   >    more

   >    A  A  A  A closely

   >    A  A  A  A emulate a naturally aspirated one, but even that isnat

   >    enough for

   >    A  A  A  A Ferrari.AA  The California Tas computer also looks at
   gear

   >    position

   >    A  A  A  A and

   >    A  A  A  A limits max boost in lower gears to encourage its driver
   to

   >    revel in

   >    A  A  A  A the

   >    A  A  A  A gears.

   >    A  A  A  A Turbo lag.AA  Ferrari claims the Californiaas new turbo

   >    engine has

   >    A  A  A  A azero

   >    A  A  A  A turbo laga and ainstantaneous response,a then defines

   >    response time

   >    A  A  A  A as,

   >    A  A  A  A aless than one second.a Really?AA  In a car that can
   hit 60

   >    mph in

   >    A  A  A  A three

   >    A  A  A  A seconds, one second, is anything but instantaneous.

   >    A  A  A  A Immediate, predictable response is a requirement in any

   >    driveras

   >    A  A  A  A car.

   >    A  A  A  A Naturally aspirated engines react without delay to
   throttle

   >    inputs,

   >    A  A  A  A but

   >    A  A  A  A a turbo engine is vastly more complicated.AA  It has
   two

   >    torque

   >    A  A  A  A curvesaone

   >    A  A  A  A when it is off boost and one when it is at full puff.

   >    A  A  A  A A naturally aspirated engineas output is determined by
   the

   >    position

   >    A  A  A  A of

   >    A  A  A  A the pedal and the engine speed, period.AA  Turbos
   change

   >    that into a

   >    A  A  A  A complicated matrix with far too many variables for a
   driver

   >    to keep

   >    A  A  A  A track of.

   >    A  A  A  A Modern Ferraris do what you ask, when you ask, how you

   >    ask.AA  They

   >    A  A  A  A are

   >    A  A  A  A pretty much perfect.AA  Although their forth coming

   >    turbocharged

   >    A  A  A  A replacements will almost certainly be faster, I fear
   they

   >    will be

   >    A  A  A  A undriveable without assistance from an onboard

   >    supercomputer.

   >    A  A  A  A It as sad that the marquee feels compelled by
   government

   >    policy to

   >    A  A  A  A bolt

   >    A  A  A  A turbos on to their lovely engines, when it wonat make a
   whit

   >    of

   >    A  A  A  A difference to air quality.AA  A And it is doubly sad
   that we

   >    all

   >    A  A know

   >    A  A  A  A it

   >    A  A  A will change the way Ferraris drive.a

   >    A  A  A AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  A Warmest

   >    regards,AA  Chuck Engles

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