[DeTomaso] New Ford GT Twin Turbo V6
Curt Hall
cuvee at sbcglobal.net
Fri Jan 16 17:21:03 EST 2015
The short utube video was kinda Cool! Did I miss something, they didn't show the Engine? Why?
On Friday, January 16, 2015 2:13 PM, Bill Moore <bill at incendium.com> wrote:
I don't care what it sounds like, just so long as it wins that little race in France.
Cheers:
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Incendium Supply Ltd.
Suite 416, #305-4625 Varsity Drive N.W.
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-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of michael at michaelshortt.com
Sent: January-16-15 2:42 PM
To: Sean Korb
Cc: detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Ford GT Twin Turbo V6
You can hear it here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3C-qSRnqUZg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMD3Vu3xL-c
Michael Shortt
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 4:04 PM, Sean Korb <spkorb at gmail.com> wrote:
> I also think the sound is something I really want to keep.A But I also
> think the Buick GN motor is the answer to a lot of questions that have
> not been asked yet.A All cars should come with one as the base
> platform.
> sean
>
> On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Curt Hall <[1]cuvee at sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
> A A For me...as Cool as the twin turbo V6 or even a turbo 4 may
> be,...I
> A A would think the sound from those two Engines in a Pantera would
> just
> A A sound wrong! But that's just me. That said...I also believe...
> What
> A A Ever Float Your Boat! It's your Car! I would still enjoy seeing
> it!
> A A Curt
> A A On Friday, January 16, 2015 12:08 PM,
> "[2]michael at michaelshortt.com"
> A A <[3]michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote:
> A A A The crate version is 365 hp, 417 lbs at around $8,500
> A A A Michael Shortt
> A A A On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 2:51 PM, Dave
> <[1][1][4]dave at damardirect.com>
> A A wrote:
> A A A A Take a look at the engine specs on the 85-87 Buick GN, 6
> cyl. I
> A A A A understand that was years ago but at the time, 85-87, it
> was the
> A A A A fastest US production car. It was a big car compared to
> sports
> A A cars.
> A A A A It met its demise because of Corvette management.
> A A A A IndyDave
> A A A A -----Original Message-----
> A A A A From: [2][2][5]cengles at cox.net
> [mailto:[3][3][6]cengles at cox.net]
> A A A A Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 10:53 AM
>
> A A A A Cc: [4][4][7]detomaso at poca.com
> A A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Ford GT Twin Turbo V6
> A A A A Dear Forum,
> A A A A AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA In a coincidence, there is
> an interesting
> A A A A article in the new Road and Track about turbocharging modern
> A A engines
> A A A A in modern sports
> A A A A cars.AA A FWIW.
> A A A A AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA Full disclosure:AA complete
> article is Rare
> A A A A Forced Air on
> A A A A page 27-28 in the Feb 2015 Road&Track by Jason Cammisa.
> A A A A AA AA AA AA AA AA AA A These are my selected
> highlights from that
> A A A A article.
> A A A A Complete disclosure: I am not a fan of turbos.AA I prefer
> normally
> A A A A aspirated engines for a number of reasons and this article
> supports
> A A A A my
> A A A A opinion.AA While the new Ford GT has a twin turbo Ecotec
> V-6, I
> A A A A would
> A A A A prefer it to have a normally aspirated Coyote or the new
> flat crank
> A A A A V8.
> A A A A A From Jason Cammisa:
> A A A A aWe donat like the turbo,a said theAA man with an Italian
> accent,
> A A A A abut it
> A A A A is the right way to reduce emissions without sacrificing
> A A A A performance.a
> A A A A A rare moment of honesty, then a graceful slingshot into the
> same
> A A A A turbo
> A A A A spin weave heard from all corners of the globe.
> A A A A The fact is, every car company is being forced into forced
> A A A A induction,
> A A A A for the exact reasons our Italian friend gave.AA Since
> neither he
> A A A A nor the
> A A A A company he works for, Ferrari, can come out and say it, I
> will:
> A A A A Turbos
> A A A A arenat the best solution, especially for high-performance
> cars, and
> A A A A they
> A A A A donat always provide the benefits that carmakers claim they
> do.
> A A A A Turbos, which are powered by exhaust energy that is
> otherwise
> A A A A wasted,
> A A A A increase engine output by forcing extra air into the
> cylinders,
> A A A A prompting the fuel injectors to provide more fuel for
> combustion.A
> A A A A More
> A A A A combustion, alas, means more heat.AA To keep the engine
> from
> A A A A overheating,
> A A A A turbo engines inject excess gas under boost.AA It seems
> counter
> A A A A intuitive, but this arich mixturea cools down combustion and
> A A reduces
> A A A A exhaust temperatures.AA It is also a double whammy fuel
> economy
> A A A A killer,
> A A A A because burning that extra fuel doesnat help the engine make
> more
> A A A A power,
> A A A A it actually reduces output.
> A A A A a|.out in the real world, riding that big, effortless wave
> of
> A A A A boosted
> A A A A midrange torque means burning extra fuelaand creating even
> more
> A A A A CO2.AA So
> A A A A much for reducing emissions.
> A A A A Performance, in this sense, refers solely to
> acceleration.AA The
> A A A A Ferrari
> A A A A California Tas turbo 3.9 liter 553 hp V8 easily outmuscles
> the old
> A A A A Californiaas naturally aspirated 4.3 liter 483 hp v8.AA
> Mission
> A A A A accomplished.AA Except thereas more to an engineas behavior
> than
> A A A A going
> A A A A fast in a straight line.AA The way the engine generates
> power aits
> A A A A personality, if you will---is just as important as the
> numbers.AA A
> A A A A For
> A A A A the entire history of the marque, Ferrarias engines have
> delivered
> A A A A urgency and drama in lockstep with revs, creating a festival
> of
> A A A A sound
> A A A A and fury as they raced toward a redline.AA Ferrari engines
> love to
> A A A A rev,
> A A A A which is one of the main reasons we love Ferraris.
> A A A A Once thereas a turbo impeller muffling the screaming glory
> of that
> A A A A prancing horse, youare talking about an entirely different
> animal.
> A A A A Engines with turbos big enough to provide boost throughout
> the
> A A A A operating
> A A A A range produce peak torque at low revs and then gradually run
> out of
> A A A A steam, like turbodiesels do.AA To combat that,
> gas-powertrain
> A A A A engineers
> A A A A artificially create broad torque plateaus by limiting boost
> at
> A A lower
> A A A A engine speeds.AA That electronic trickery helps the engine
> more
> A A A A closely
> A A A A emulate a naturally aspirated one, but even that isnat
> enough for
> A A A A Ferrari.AA The California Tas computer also looks at gear
> position
> A A A A and
> A A A A limits max boost in lower gears to encourage its driver to
> revel in
> A A A A the
> A A A A gears.
> A A A A Turbo lag.AA Ferrari claims the Californiaas new turbo
> engine has
> A A A A azero
> A A A A turbo laga and ainstantaneous response,a then defines
> response time
> A A A A as,
> A A A A aless than one second.a Really?AA In a car that can hit 60
> mph in
> A A A A three
> A A A A seconds, one second, is anything but instantaneous.
> A A A A Immediate, predictable response is a requirement in any
> driveras
> A A A A car.
> A A A A Naturally aspirated engines react without delay to throttle
> inputs,
> A A A A but
> A A A A a turbo engine is vastly more complicated.AA It has two
> torque
> A A A A curvesaone
> A A A A when it is off boost and one when it is at full puff.
> A A A A A naturally aspirated engineas output is determined by the
> position
> A A A A of
> A A A A the pedal and the engine speed, period.AA Turbos change
> that into a
> A A A A complicated matrix with far too many variables for a driver
> to keep
> A A A A track of.
> A A A A Modern Ferraris do what you ask, when you ask, how you
> ask.AA They
> A A A A are
> A A A A pretty much perfect.AA Although their forth coming
> turbocharged
> A A A A replacements will almost certainly be faster, I fear they
> will be
> A A A A undriveable without assistance from an onboard
> supercomputer.
> A A A A It as sad that the marquee feels compelled by government
> policy to
> A A A A bolt
> A A A A turbos on to their lovely engines, when it wonat make a whit
> of
> A A A A difference to air quality.AA A And it is doubly sad that we
> all
> A A know
> A A A A it
> A A A will change the way Ferraris drive.a
> A A A AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA A Warmest
> regards,AA Chuck Engles
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The short utube video was kinda Cool! Did I miss something, they didn't
show the Engine? Why?
On Friday, January 16, 2015 2:13 PM, Bill Moore <bill at incendium.com>
wrote:
I don't care what it sounds like, just so long as it wins that little
race in France.
Cheers:
Please use my [1]bill at incendium.com email address in all messages.
Bill Moore
Incendium Supply Ltd.
Suite 416, #305-4625 Varsity Drive N.W.
Calgary, AB T3A 0Z9
403.202.0055
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
[3]michael at michaelshortt.com
Sent: January-16-15 2:42 PM
To: Sean Korb
Cc: [4]detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Ford GT Twin Turbo V6
You can hear it here.
[5]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3C-qSRnqUZg
[6]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMD3Vu3xL-c
Michael Shortt
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 4:04 PM, Sean Korb <[7]spkorb at gmail.com> wrote:
> I also think the sound is something I really want to keep.A But I
also
> think the Buick GN motor is the answer to a lot of questions that
have
> not been asked yet.A All cars should come with one as the base
> platform.
> sean
>
> On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Curt Hall
<[1][8]cuvee at sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
> A A For me...as Cool as the twin turbo V6 or even a turbo 4 may
> be,...I
> A A would think the sound from those two Engines in a Pantera
would
> just
> A A sound wrong! But that's just me. That said...I also
believe...
> What
> A A Ever Float Your Boat! It's your Car! I would still enjoy
seeing
> it!
> A A Curt
> A A On Friday, January 16, 2015 12:08 PM,
> "[2][9]michael at michaelshortt.com"
> A A <[3][10]michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote:
> A A A The crate version is 365 hp, 417 lbs at around $8,500
> A A A Michael Shortt
> A A A On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 2:51 PM, Dave
> <[1][1][4][11]dave at damardirect.com>
> A A wrote:
> A A A A Take a look at the engine specs on the 85-87 Buick
GN, 6
> cyl. I
> A A A A understand that was years ago but at the time, 85-87,
it
> was the
> A A A A fastest US production car. It was a big car compared
to
> sports
> A A cars.
> A A A A It met its demise because of Corvette management.
> A A A A IndyDave
> A A A A -----Original Message-----
> A A A A From: [2][2][5][12]cengles at cox.net
> [mailto:[3][3][6][13]cengles at cox.net]
> A A A A Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 10:53 AM
>
> A A A A Cc: [4][4][7][14]detomaso at poca.com
> A A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Ford GT Twin Turbo V6
> A A A A Dear Forum,
> A A A A AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA In a coincidence, there
is
> an interesting
> A A A A article in the new Road and Track about turbocharging
modern
> A A engines
> A A A A in modern sports
> A A A A cars.AA A FWIW.
> A A A A AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA Full disclosure:AA
complete
> article is Rare
> A A A A Forced Air on
> A A A A page 27-28 in the Feb 2015 Road&Track by Jason Cammisa.
> A A A A AA AA AA AA AA AA AA A These are my selected
> highlights from that
> A A A A article.
> A A A A Complete disclosure: I am not a fan of turbos.AA I
prefer
> normally
> A A A A aspirated engines for a number of reasons and this
article
> supports
> A A A A my
> A A A A opinion.AA While the new Ford GT has a twin turbo
Ecotec
> V-6, I
> A A A A would
> A A A A prefer it to have a normally aspirated Coyote or the
new
> flat crank
> A A A A V8.
> A A A A A From Jason Cammisa:
> A A A A aWe donat like the turbo,a said theAA man with an
Italian
> accent,
> A A A A abut it
> A A A A is the right way to reduce emissions without
sacrificing
> A A A A performance.a
> A A A A A rare moment of honesty, then a graceful slingshot
into the
> same
> A A A A turbo
> A A A A spin weave heard from all corners of the globe.
> A A A A The fact is, every car company is being forced into
forced
> A A A A induction,
> A A A A for the exact reasons our Italian friend gave.AA Since
> neither he
> A A A A nor the
> A A A A company he works for, Ferrari, can come out and say it,
I
> will:
> A A A A Turbos
> A A A A arenat the best solution, especially for
high-performance
> cars, and
> A A A A they
> A A A A donat always provide the benefits that carmakers claim
they
> do.
> A A A A Turbos, which are powered by exhaust energy that is
> otherwise
> A A A A wasted,
> A A A A increase engine output by forcing extra air into the
> cylinders,
> A A A A prompting the fuel injectors to provide more fuel for
> combustion.A
> A A A A More
> A A A A combustion, alas, means more heat.AA To keep the
engine
> from
> A A A A overheating,
> A A A A turbo engines inject excess gas under boost.AA It
seems
> counter
> A A A A intuitive, but this arich mixturea cools down
combustion and
> A A reduces
> A A A A exhaust temperatures.AA It is also a double whammy
fuel
> economy
> A A A A killer,
> A A A A because burning that extra fuel doesnat help the engine
make
> more
> A A A A power,
> A A A A it actually reduces output.
> A A A A a|.out in the real world, riding that big, effortless
wave
> of
> A A A A boosted
> A A A A midrange torque means burning extra fuelaand creating
even
> more
> A A A A CO2.AA So
> A A A A much for reducing emissions.
> A A A A Performance, in this sense, refers solely to
> acceleration.AA The
> A A A A Ferrari
> A A A A California Tas turbo 3.9 liter 553 hp V8 easily
outmuscles
> the old
> A A A A Californiaas naturally aspirated 4.3 liter 483 hp v8.AA
> Mission
> A A A A accomplished.AA Except thereas more to an engineas
behavior
> than
> A A A A going
> A A A A fast in a straight line.AA The way the engine
generates
> power aits
> A A A A personality, if you will---is just as important as the
> numbers.AA A
> A A A A For
> A A A A the entire history of the marque, Ferrarias engines
have
> delivered
> A A A A urgency and drama in lockstep with revs, creating a
festival
> of
> A A A A sound
> A A A A and fury as they raced toward a redline.AA Ferrari
engines
> love to
> A A A A rev,
> A A A A which is one of the main reasons we love Ferraris.
> A A A A Once thereas a turbo impeller muffling the screaming
glory
> of that
> A A A A prancing horse, youare talking about an entirely
different
> animal.
> A A A A Engines with turbos big enough to provide boost
throughout
> the
> A A A A operating
> A A A A range produce peak torque at low revs and then
gradually run
> out of
> A A A A steam, like turbodiesels do.AA To combat that,
> gas-powertrain
> A A A A engineers
> A A A A artificially create broad torque plateaus by limiting
boost
> at
> A A lower
> A A A A engine speeds.AA That electronic trickery helps the
engine
> more
> A A A A closely
> A A A A emulate a naturally aspirated one, but even that isnat
> enough for
> A A A A Ferrari.AA The California Tas computer also looks at
gear
> position
> A A A A and
> A A A A limits max boost in lower gears to encourage its driver
to
> revel in
> A A A A the
> A A A A gears.
> A A A A Turbo lag.AA Ferrari claims the Californiaas new turbo
> engine has
> A A A A azero
> A A A A turbo laga and ainstantaneous response,a then defines
> response time
> A A A A as,
> A A A A aless than one second.a Really?AA In a car that can
hit 60
> mph in
> A A A A three
> A A A A seconds, one second, is anything but instantaneous.
> A A A A Immediate, predictable response is a requirement in any
> driveras
> A A A A car.
> A A A A Naturally aspirated engines react without delay to
throttle
> inputs,
> A A A A but
> A A A A a turbo engine is vastly more complicated.AA It has
two
> torque
> A A A A curvesaone
> A A A A when it is off boost and one when it is at full puff.
> A A A A A naturally aspirated engineas output is determined by
the
> position
> A A A A of
> A A A A the pedal and the engine speed, period.AA Turbos
change
> that into a
> A A A A complicated matrix with far too many variables for a
driver
> to keep
> A A A A track of.
> A A A A Modern Ferraris do what you ask, when you ask, how you
> ask.AA They
> A A A A are
> A A A A pretty much perfect.AA Although their forth coming
> turbocharged
> A A A A replacements will almost certainly be faster, I fear
they
> will be
> A A A A undriveable without assistance from an onboard
> supercomputer.
> A A A A It as sad that the marquee feels compelled by
government
> policy to
> A A A A bolt
> A A A A turbos on to their lovely engines, when it wonat make a
whit
> of
> A A A A difference to air quality.AA A And it is doubly sad
that we
> all
> A A know
> A A A A it
> A A A will change the way Ferraris drive.a
> A A A AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA A Warmest
> regards,AA Chuck Engles
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