[DeTomaso] New Ford GT Twin Turbo V6
michael at michaelshortt.com
michael at michaelshortt.com
Fri Jan 16 16:42:10 EST 2015
You can hear it here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3C-qSRnqUZg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMD3Vu3xL-c
Michael Shortt
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 4:04 PM, Sean Korb <spkorb at gmail.com> wrote:
> I also think the sound is something I really want to keep.A But I also
> think the Buick GN motor is the answer to a lot of questions that have
> not been asked yet.A All cars should come with one as the base
> platform.
> sean
>
> On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Curt Hall <[1]cuvee at sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
> A A For me...as Cool as the twin turbo V6 or even a turbo 4 may
> be,...I
> A A would think the sound from those two Engines in a Pantera would
> just
> A A sound wrong! But that's just me. That said...I also believe...
> What
> A A Ever Float Your Boat! It's your Car! I would still enjoy seeing
> it!
> A A Curt
> A A On Friday, January 16, 2015 12:08 PM,
> "[2]michael at michaelshortt.com"
> A A <[3]michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote:
> A A A The crate version is 365 hp, 417 lbs at around $8,500
> A A A Michael Shortt
> A A A On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 2:51 PM, Dave
> <[1][1][4]dave at damardirect.com>
> A A wrote:
> A A A A Take a look at the engine specs on the 85-87 Buick GN, 6
> cyl. I
> A A A A understand that was years ago but at the time, 85-87, it
> was the
> A A A A fastest US production car. It was a big car compared to
> sports
> A A cars.
> A A A A It met its demise because of Corvette management.
> A A A A IndyDave
> A A A A -----Original Message-----
> A A A A From: [2][2][5]cengles at cox.net
> [mailto:[3][3][6]cengles at cox.net]
> A A A A Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 10:53 AM
>
> A A A A Cc: [4][4][7]detomaso at poca.com
> A A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Ford GT Twin Turbo V6
> A A A A Dear Forum,
> A A A A AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA In a coincidence, there is
> an interesting
> A A A A article in the new Road and Track about turbocharging modern
> A A engines
> A A A A in modern sports
> A A A A cars.AA A FWIW.
> A A A A AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA Full disclosure:AA complete
> article is Rare
> A A A A Forced Air on
> A A A A page 27-28 in the Feb 2015 Road&Track by Jason Cammisa.
> A A A A AA AA AA AA AA AA AA A These are my selected
> highlights from that
> A A A A article.
> A A A A Complete disclosure: I am not a fan of turbos.AA I prefer
> normally
> A A A A aspirated engines for a number of reasons and this article
> supports
> A A A A my
> A A A A opinion.AA While the new Ford GT has a twin turbo Ecotec
> V-6, I
> A A A A would
> A A A A prefer it to have a normally aspirated Coyote or the new
> flat crank
> A A A A V8.
> A A A A A From Jason Cammisa:
> A A A A aWe donat like the turbo,a said theAA man with an Italian
> accent,
> A A A A abut it
> A A A A is the right way to reduce emissions without sacrificing
> A A A A performance.a
> A A A A A rare moment of honesty, then a graceful slingshot into the
> same
> A A A A turbo
> A A A A spin weave heard from all corners of the globe.
> A A A A The fact is, every car company is being forced into forced
> A A A A induction,
> A A A A for the exact reasons our Italian friend gave.AA Since
> neither he
> A A A A nor the
> A A A A company he works for, Ferrari, can come out and say it, I
> will:
> A A A A Turbos
> A A A A arenat the best solution, especially for high-performance
> cars, and
> A A A A they
> A A A A donat always provide the benefits that carmakers claim they
> do.
> A A A A Turbos, which are powered by exhaust energy that is
> otherwise
> A A A A wasted,
> A A A A increase engine output by forcing extra air into the
> cylinders,
> A A A A prompting the fuel injectors to provide more fuel for
> combustion.A
> A A A A More
> A A A A combustion, alas, means more heat.AA To keep the engine
> from
> A A A A overheating,
> A A A A turbo engines inject excess gas under boost.AA It seems
> counter
> A A A A intuitive, but this arich mixturea cools down combustion and
> A A reduces
> A A A A exhaust temperatures.AA It is also a double whammy fuel
> economy
> A A A A killer,
> A A A A because burning that extra fuel doesnat help the engine make
> more
> A A A A power,
> A A A A it actually reduces output.
> A A A A a|.out in the real world, riding that big, effortless wave
> of
> A A A A boosted
> A A A A midrange torque means burning extra fuelaand creating even
> more
> A A A A CO2.AA So
> A A A A much for reducing emissions.
> A A A A Performance, in this sense, refers solely to
> acceleration.AA The
> A A A A Ferrari
> A A A A California Tas turbo 3.9 liter 553 hp V8 easily outmuscles
> the old
> A A A A Californiaas naturally aspirated 4.3 liter 483 hp v8.AA
> Mission
> A A A A accomplished.AA Except thereas more to an engineas behavior
> than
> A A A A going
> A A A A fast in a straight line.AA The way the engine generates
> power aits
> A A A A personality, if you will---is just as important as the
> numbers.AA A
> A A A A For
> A A A A the entire history of the marque, Ferrarias engines have
> delivered
> A A A A urgency and drama in lockstep with revs, creating a festival
> of
> A A A A sound
> A A A A and fury as they raced toward a redline.AA Ferrari engines
> love to
> A A A A rev,
> A A A A which is one of the main reasons we love Ferraris.
> A A A A Once thereas a turbo impeller muffling the screaming glory
> of that
> A A A A prancing horse, youare talking about an entirely different
> animal.
> A A A A Engines with turbos big enough to provide boost throughout
> the
> A A A A operating
> A A A A range produce peak torque at low revs and then gradually run
> out of
> A A A A steam, like turbodiesels do.AA To combat that,
> gas-powertrain
> A A A A engineers
> A A A A artificially create broad torque plateaus by limiting boost
> at
> A A lower
> A A A A engine speeds.AA That electronic trickery helps the engine
> more
> A A A A closely
> A A A A emulate a naturally aspirated one, but even that isnat
> enough for
> A A A A Ferrari.AA The California Tas computer also looks at gear
> position
> A A A A and
> A A A A limits max boost in lower gears to encourage its driver to
> revel in
> A A A A the
> A A A A gears.
> A A A A Turbo lag.AA Ferrari claims the Californiaas new turbo
> engine has
> A A A A azero
> A A A A turbo laga and ainstantaneous response,a then defines
> response time
> A A A A as,
> A A A A aless than one second.a Really?AA In a car that can hit 60
> mph in
> A A A A three
> A A A A seconds, one second, is anything but instantaneous.
> A A A A Immediate, predictable response is a requirement in any
> driveras
> A A A A car.
> A A A A Naturally aspirated engines react without delay to throttle
> inputs,
> A A A A but
> A A A A a turbo engine is vastly more complicated.AA It has two
> torque
> A A A A curvesaone
> A A A A when it is off boost and one when it is at full puff.
> A A A A A naturally aspirated engineas output is determined by the
> position
> A A A A of
> A A A A the pedal and the engine speed, period.AA Turbos change
> that into a
> A A A A complicated matrix with far too many variables for a driver
> to keep
> A A A A track of.
> A A A A Modern Ferraris do what you ask, when you ask, how you
> ask.AA They
> A A A A are
> A A A A pretty much perfect.AA Although their forth coming
> turbocharged
> A A A A replacements will almost certainly be faster, I fear they
> will be
> A A A A undriveable without assistance from an onboard
> supercomputer.
> A A A A It as sad that the marquee feels compelled by government
> policy to
> A A A A bolt
> A A A A turbos on to their lovely engines, when it wonat make a whit
> of
> A A A A difference to air quality.AA A And it is doubly sad that we
> all
> A A know
> A A A A it
> A A A will change the way Ferraris drive.a
> A A A AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA A Warmest
> regards,AA Chuck Engles
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Michael Shortt
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 4:04 PM, Sean Korb <[3]spkorb at gmail.com> wrote:
A A I also think the sound is something I really want to keep.AA
But I also
A A think the Buick GN motor is the answer to a lot of questions
that have
A A not been asked yet.AA All cars should come with one as the
base
A A platform.
A A sean
A A On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Curt Hall
<[1][4]cuvee at sbcglobal.net>
A A wrote:
A A A AA A For me...as Cool as the twin turbo V6 or even a turbo
4 may
A A A be,...I
A A A AA A would think the sound from those two Engines in a
Pantera would
A A A just
A A A AA A sound wrong! But that's just me. That said...I also
believe...
A A A What
A A A AA A Ever Float Your Boat! It's your Car! I would still
enjoy seeing
A A A it!
A A A AA A Curt
A A A AA A On Friday, January 16, 2015 12:08 PM,
A A A "[2][5]michael at michaelshortt.com"
A A A AA A <[3][6]michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote:
A A A AA AA A The crate version is 365 hp, 417 lbs at around
$8,500
A A A AA AA A Michael Shortt
A A A AA AA A On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 2:51 PM, Dave
A A A <[1][1][4][7]dave at damardirect.com>
A A A AA A wrote:
A A A AA AA AA A Take a look at the engine specs on the 85-87
Buick GN, 6
A A A cyl. I
A A A AA AA AA A understand that was years ago but at the time,
85-87, it
A A A was the
A A A AA AA AA A fastest US production car. It was a big car
compared to
A A A sports
A A A AA A cars.
A A A AA AA AA A It met its demise because of Corvette
management.
A A A AA AA AA A IndyDave
A A A AA AA AA A -----Original Message-----
A A A AA AA AA A From: [2][2][5][8]cengles at cox.net
A A A [mailto:[3][3][6][9]cengles at cox.net]
A A A AA AA AA A Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 10:53 AM
A A AA AA AA A Cc: [4][4][7][10]detomaso at poca.com
A A AA AA AA A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Ford GT Twin Turbo V6
A A AA AA AA A Dear Forum,
A A AA AA AA A AAA AAA AAA AAA AAA AAA AAA AAA In a
coincidence, there is
A A an interesting
A A AA AA AA A article in the new Road and Track about
turbocharging modern
A A AA A engines
A A AA AA AA A in modern sports
A A AA AA AA A cars.AAA A FWIW.
A A AA AA AA A AAA AAA AAA AAA AAA AAA AAA AAA Full
disclosure:AAA complete
A A article is Rare
A A AA AA AA A Forced Air on
A A AA AA AA A page 27-28 in the Feb 2015 Road&Track by Jason
Cammisa.
A A AA AA AA A AAA AAA AAA AAA AAA AAA AAA A These are my
selected
A A highlights from that
A A AA AA AA A article.
A A AA AA AA A Complete disclosure: I am not a fan of
turbos.AAA I prefer
A A normally
A A AA AA AA A aspirated engines for a number of reasons and
this article
A A supports
A A AA AA AA A my
A A AA AA AA A opinion.AAA While the new Ford GT has a twin
turbo Ecotec
A A V-6, I
A A AA AA AA A would
A A AA AA AA A prefer it to have a normally aspirated Coyote or
the new
A A flat crank
A A AA AA AA A V8.
A A AA AA AA A A From Jason Cammisa:
A A AA AA AA A aWe donat like the turbo,a said theAAA man with
an Italian
A A accent,
A A AA AA AA A abut it
A A AA AA AA A is the right way to reduce emissions without
sacrificing
A A AA AA AA A performance.a
A A AA AA AA A A rare moment of honesty, then a graceful
slingshot into the
A A same
A A AA AA AA A turbo
A A AA AA AA A spin weave heard from all corners of the globe.
A A AA AA AA A The fact is, every car company is being forced
into forced
A A AA AA AA A induction,
A A AA AA AA A for the exact reasons our Italian friend
gave.AAA Since
A A neither he
A A AA AA AA A nor the
A A AA AA AA A company he works for, Ferrari, can come out and
say it, I
A A will:
A A AA AA AA A Turbos
A A AA AA AA A arenat the best solution, especially for
high-performance
A A cars, and
A A AA AA AA A they
A A AA AA AA A donat always provide the benefits that carmakers
claim they
A A do.
A A AA AA AA A Turbos, which are powered by exhaust energy that
is
A A otherwise
A A AA AA AA A wasted,
A A AA AA AA A increase engine output by forcing extra air into
the
A A cylinders,
A A AA AA AA A prompting the fuel injectors to provide more fuel
for
A A combustion.A
A A AA AA AA A More
A A AA AA AA A combustion, alas, means more heat.AAA To keep
the engine
A A from
A A AA AA AA A overheating,
A A AA AA AA A turbo engines inject excess gas under boost.AAA
It seems
A A counter
A A AA AA AA A intuitive, but this arich mixturea cools down
combustion and
A A AA A reduces
A A AA AA AA A exhaust temperatures.AAA It is also a double
whammy fuel
A A economy
A A AA AA AA A killer,
A A AA AA AA A because burning that extra fuel doesnat help the
engine make
A A more
A A AA AA AA A power,
A A AA AA AA A it actually reduces output.
A A AA AA AA A a|.out in the real world, riding that big,
effortless wave
A A of
A A AA AA AA A boosted
A A AA AA AA A midrange torque means burning extra fuelaand
creating even
A A more
A A AA AA AA A CO2.AAA So
A A AA AA AA A much for reducing emissions.
A A AA AA AA A Performance, in this sense, refers solely to
A A acceleration.AAA The
A A AA AA AA A Ferrari
A A AA AA AA A California Tas turbo 3.9 liter 553 hp V8 easily
outmuscles
A A the old
A A AA AA AA A Californiaas naturally aspirated 4.3 liter 483 hp
v8.AA
A A Mission
A A AA AA AA A accomplished.AAA Except thereas more to an
engineas behavior
A A than
A A AA AA AA A going
A A AA AA AA A fast in a straight line.AAA The way the engine
generates
A A power aits
A A AA AA AA A personality, if you will---is just as important
as the
A A numbers.AAA A
A A AA AA AA A For
A A AA AA AA A the entire history of the marque, Ferrarias
engines have
A A delivered
A A AA AA AA A urgency and drama in lockstep with revs, creating
a festival
A A of
A A AA AA AA A sound
A A AA AA AA A and fury as they raced toward a redline.AAA
Ferrari engines
A A love to
A A AA AA AA A rev,
A A AA AA AA A which is one of the main reasons we love
Ferraris.
A A AA AA AA A Once thereas a turbo impeller muffling the
screaming glory
A A of that
A A AA AA AA A prancing horse, youare talking about an entirely
different
A A animal.
A A AA AA AA A Engines with turbos big enough to provide boost
throughout
A A the
A A AA AA AA A operating
A A AA AA AA A range produce peak torque at low revs and then
gradually run
A A out of
A A AA AA AA A steam, like turbodiesels do.AAA To combat that,
A A gas-powertrain
A A AA AA AA A engineers
A A AA AA AA A artificially create broad torque plateaus by
limiting boost
A A at
A A AA A lower
A A AA AA AA A engine speeds.AAA That electronic trickery helps
the engine
A A more
A A AA AA AA A closely
A A AA AA AA A emulate a naturally aspirated one, but even that
isnat
A A enough for
A A AA AA AA A Ferrari.AAA The California Tas computer also
looks at gear
A A position
A A AA AA AA A and
A A AA AA AA A limits max boost in lower gears to encourage its
driver to
A A revel in
A A AA AA AA A the
A A AA AA AA A gears.
A A AA AA AA A Turbo lag.AAA Ferrari claims the Californiaas
new turbo
A A engine has
A A AA AA AA A azero
A A AA AA AA A turbo laga and ainstantaneous response,a then
defines
A A response time
A A AA AA AA A as,
A A AA AA AA A aless than one second.a Really?AAA In a car that
can hit 60
A A mph in
A A AA AA AA A three
A A AA AA AA A seconds, one second, is anything but
instantaneous.
A A AA AA AA A Immediate, predictable response is a requirement
in any
A A driveras
A A AA AA AA A car.
A A AA AA AA A Naturally aspirated engines react without delay
to throttle
A A inputs,
A A AA AA AA A but
A A AA AA AA A a turbo engine is vastly more complicated.AAA It
has two
A A torque
A A AA AA AA A curvesaone
A A AA AA AA A when it is off boost and one when it is at full
puff.
A A AA AA AA A A naturally aspirated engineas output is
determined by the
A A position
A A AA AA AA A of
A A AA AA AA A the pedal and the engine speed, period.AAA
Turbos change
A A that into a
A A AA AA AA A complicated matrix with far too many variables
for a driver
A A to keep
A A AA AA AA A track of.
A A AA AA AA A Modern Ferraris do what you ask, when you ask,
how you
A A ask.AAA They
A A AA AA AA A are
A A AA AA AA A pretty much perfect.AAA Although their forth
coming
A A turbocharged
A A AA AA AA A replacements will almost certainly be faster, I
fear they
A A will be
A A AA AA AA A undriveable without assistance from an onboard
A A supercomputer.
A A AA AA AA A It as sad that the marquee feels compelled by
government
A A policy to
A A AA AA AA A bolt
A A AA AA AA A turbos on to their lovely engines, when it wonat
make a whit
A A of
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