[DeTomaso] Letter to Voting POCA Members
John Taphorn
jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com
Mon Jan 12 20:14:10 EST 2015
Julian, I third that. Glad you're back.
JT
On 1/12/2015 3:28 PM, James coyne wrote:
> Julian , Really glad to hear that you are willing to stay with the club
> ! It wouldn't be as good of a club without you in it !
> From: julian_kift at hotmail.com
> To: laurieferrari at aol.com; detomaso at poca.com
> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 13:07:48 -0800
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Letter to Voting POCA Members
> Laurie,
>
> Well said, I think everyone on list is already aware of my stance from prior ema
> ils (rants) on the subject.
>
> On reflection rather than walk away from POCA (which would be easy to do) I inte
> nd to renew my membership and when the time comes be sure that I am fully prepar
> ed to comply with all voting requirements (assuming rules don't change mid elect
> ion) and thus use my (and my registered associate) vote to help change out the c
> urrent administration, starting at the the top... I encourage others to do simil
> ar and vote with their ballot, not their feet.
>
> A few bad apples shouldn't be allowed to spoil the orchard.
>
> Julian
>
> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 14:53:35 -0500
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Letter to Voting POCA Members
> From: detomaso at poca.com
>
>
>
> To all Voting POCA Members,
> I feel the need to share that I am personally disturbed bythis recent POCA Elect
> ion process. Asthere was one position where two were running, Mike Drew and Mik
> e Haney forProfiles Editor, I am not convinced the process was conducted properl
> y and Iwould like to be sure the result represented the majority of votingmember
> s. As a POCA member, I am askingfor a REVOTE and hope that others will second a
> nd agree to back up this requestas a motion! I am writing this of my ownfree wi
> ll and opinion and without the knowledge of either of those running for the Edit
> orposition.
>
> Reasons:
> 1 1. The Newsletter that was issued prior to voting misprinted that Mike Drew
> was not intending to run for Editor, thusleading many to feel he was no longer
> interested in this position. This was not true.
> 2 2. There was confusion with ballots, the first notlisting anyone running for
> Editor and then a second ballot was issued On-linewhich included the names of bo
> th running, Mike Haney and Mike Drew. The Board allowedthis second ballot to be
> printed and used, but then changed the date of whenthat ballot could be received
> .
> 33. There was controversy regarding whether the Bylawsallowed for votes to b
> e submitted by email as many members prefer thetechnologically current and exped
> ited way of voting via the Internet. There isno reason to disallow this as by su
> bmitting with ones membership number thereis no way of duplicating votes. Assom
> eone noted, the Bylaws do not actually disallow this method as Bylaws statevotes
> by mail, not specifically snail mail.
> 44. The Board announced it would be allowable for votes tobe presented electroni
> cally.
> 55. Then approximately one week before the end of thevoting period, the Board ch
> anged its mind and said only snail mail votes wouldbe counted.
> 66. This last minute change in voting rules made itimpossible for many Europea
> n voters to have their votes counted, and as ForeignMembers pay even greater due
> s, $90. Per year, than US members, it is unethicalto disallow their votes withou
> t allowances for special circumstances.
> 77. It is, in fact, destructive to the spirit and reputationof the Club to not
> count votes from ALL paying members. That would mean an extension in time shou
> ld havebeen allowed, as necessary, under the circumstances of all the confusion
> toensure a fair election.
> 88. At present it appears the outdatedBylaws are being interpreted too loosely
> and at the will by the Board. Thisopens the question of how ethical these decisi
> ons are.
> 99. In good faith and fairness to everyone, THE ELECTIONSHOULD BE RE-HELD. Aft
> er the fact, theentire summary of results, votes submitted, votes received, shou
> ld be openknowledge to the Membership and printed in the next Newsletter.
>
> 1 10. I am not sure the POCA voting membership is as keenlyaware of all these
> issues as I, however I have been a Board Member and in thepast I had questions
> of controversial decisions regarding certain issues, i.e. how a tie washandled,
> how some ballots were not received across the Country in a timelymanner because
> of weather conditions, and so on these experiences make mepersonally sensitive
> and aware of how our Memberships wishes arehonored. The person who fairly wins t
> he election, regardless of who, with no questionable decisions and changes in po
> licy, should be theEditor of Profiles.
> Thank you and appreciate your opinions,
> Laurie
>
>
>
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Julian, I third that. Glad you're back.
JT
On 1/12/2015 3:28 PM, James coyne wrote:
Julian , Really glad to hear that you are willing to stay with the club
! It wouldn't be as good of a club without you in it !
From: [1]julian_kift at hotmail.com
To: [2]laurieferrari at aol.com; [3]detomaso at poca.com
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 13:07:48 -0800
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Letter to Voting POCA Members
Laurie,
Well said, I think everyone on list is already aware of my stance from prior ema
ils (rants) on the subject.
On reflection rather than walk away from POCA (which would be easy to do) I inte
nd to renew my membership and when the time comes be sure that I am fully prepar
ed to comply with all voting requirements (assuming rules don't change mid elect
ion) and thus use my (and my registered associate) vote to help change out the c
urrent administration, starting at the the top... I encourage others to do simil
ar and vote with their ballot, not their feet.
A few bad apples shouldn't be allowed to spoil the orchard.
Julian
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 14:53:35 -0500
To: [4]detomaso at poca.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Letter to Voting POCA Members
From: [5]detomaso at poca.com
To all Voting POCA Members,
I feel the need to share that I am personally disturbed bythis recent POCA Elect
ion process. Asthere was one position where two were running, Mike Drew and Mik
e Haney forProfiles Editor, I am not convinced the process was conducted properl
y and Iwould like to be sure the result represented the majority of votingmember
s. As a POCA member, I am askingfor a REVOTE and hope that others will second a
nd agree to back up this requestas a motion! I am writing this of my ownfree wi
ll and opinion and without the knowledge of either of those running for the Edit
orposition.
Reasons:
1 1. The Newsletter that was issued prior to voting misprinted that Mike Drew
was not intending to run for Editor, thusleading many to feel he was no longer
interested in this position. This was not true.
2 2. There was confusion with ballots, the first notlisting anyone running for
Editor and then a second ballot was issued On-linewhich included the names of bo
th running, Mike Haney and Mike Drew. The Board allowedthis second ballot to be
printed and used, but then changed the date of whenthat ballot could be received
.
33. There was controversy regarding whether the Bylawsallowed for votes to b
e submitted by email as many members prefer thetechnologically current and exped
ited way of voting via the Internet. There isno reason to disallow this as by su
bmitting with ones membership number thereis no way of duplicating votes. Assom
eone noted, the Bylaws do not actually disallow this method as Bylaws statevotes
by mail, not specifically snail mail.
44. The Board announced it would be allowable for votes tobe presented electroni
cally.
55. Then approximately one week before the end of thevoting period, the Board ch
anged its mind and said only snail mail votes wouldbe counted.
66. This last minute change in voting rules made itimpossible for many Europea
n voters to have their votes counted, and as ForeignMembers pay even greater due
s, $90. Per year, than US members, it is unethicalto disallow their votes withou
t allowances for special circumstances.
77. It is, in fact, destructive to the spirit and reputationof the Club to not
count votes from ALL paying members. That would mean an extension in time shou
ld havebeen allowed, as necessary, under the circumstances of all the confusion
toensure a fair election.
88. At present it appears the outdatedBylaws are being interpreted too loosely
and at the will by the Board. Thisopens the question of how ethical these decisi
ons are.
99. In good faith and fairness to everyone, THE ELECTIONSHOULD BE RE-HELD. Aft
er the fact, theentire summary of results, votes submitted, votes received, shou
ld be openknowledge to the Membership and printed in the next Newsletter.
1 10. I am not sure the POCA voting membership is as keenlyaware of all these
issues as I, however I have been a Board Member and in thepast I had questions
of controversial decisions regarding certain issues, i.e. how a tie washandled,
how some ballots were not received across the Country in a timelymanner because
of weather conditions, and so on these experiences make mepersonally sensitive
and aware of how our Memberships wishes arehonored. The person who fairly wins t
he election, regardless of who, with no questionable decisions and changes in po
licy, should be theEditor of Profiles.
Thank you and appreciate your opinions,
Laurie
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