[DeTomaso] Letter to Voting POCA Members
Ed Mendez
edducati at mac.com
Mon Jan 12 18:50:58 EST 2015
I second that.
Ed
> On Jan 12, 2015, at 13:28, James coyne <tecnosound at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Julian , Really glad to hear that you are willing to stay with the club
> ! It wouldn't be as good of a club without you in it !
> From: julian_kift at hotmail.com <mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> To: laurieferrari at aol.com <mailto:laurieferrari at aol.com>; detomaso at poca.com <mailto:detomaso at poca.com>
> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 13:07:48 -0800
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Letter to Voting POCA Members
> Laurie,
>
> Well said, I think everyone on list is already aware of my stance from prior ema
> ils (rants) on the subject.
>
> On reflection rather than walk away from POCA (which would be easy to do) I inte
> nd to renew my membership and when the time comes be sure that I am fully prepar
> ed to comply with all voting requirements (assuming rules don't change mid elect
> ion) and thus use my (and my registered associate) vote to help change out the c
> urrent administration, starting at the the top... I encourage others to do simil
> ar and vote with their ballot, not their feet.
>
> A few bad apples shouldn't be allowed to spoil the orchard.
>
> Julian
>
> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 14:53:35 -0500
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Letter to Voting POCA Members
> From: detomaso at poca.com
>
>
>
> To all Voting POCA Members,
> I feel the need to share that I am personally disturbed bythis recent POCA Elect
> ion process. Asthere was one position where two were running, Mike Drew and Mik
> e Haney forProfiles Editor, I am not convinced the process was conducted properl
> y and Iwould like to be sure the result represented the majority of votingmember
> s. As a POCA member, I am askingfor a REVOTE and hope that others will second a
> nd agree to back up this requestas a motion! I am writing this of my ownfree wi
> ll and opinion and without the knowledge of either of those running for the Edit
> orposition.
>
> Reasons:
> 1 1. The Newsletter that was issued prior to voting misprinted that Mike Drew
> was not intending to run for Editor, thusleading many to feel he was no longer
> interested in this position. This was not true.
> 2 2. There was confusion with ballots, the first notlisting anyone running for
> Editor and then a second ballot was issued On-linewhich included the names of bo
> th running, Mike Haney and Mike Drew. The Board allowedthis second ballot to be
> printed and used, but then changed the date of whenthat ballot could be received
> .
> 33. There was controversy regarding whether the Bylawsallowed for votes to b
> e submitted by email as many members prefer thetechnologically current and exped
> ited way of voting via the Internet. There isno reason to disallow this as by su
> bmitting with ones membership number thereis no way of duplicating votes. Assom
> eone noted, the Bylaws do not actually disallow this method as Bylaws statevotes
> by mail, not specifically snail mail.
> 44. The Board announced it would be allowable for votes tobe presented electroni
> cally.
> 55. Then approximately one week before the end of thevoting period, the Board ch
> anged its mind and said only snail mail votes wouldbe counted.
> 66. This last minute change in voting rules made itimpossible for many Europea
> n voters to have their votes counted, and as ForeignMembers pay even greater due
> s, $90. Per year, than US members, it is unethicalto disallow their votes withou
> t allowances for special circumstances.
> 77. It is, in fact, destructive to the spirit and reputationof the Club to not
> count votes from ALL paying members. That would mean an extension in time shou
> ld havebeen allowed, as necessary, under the circumstances of all the confusion
> toensure a fair election.
> 88. At present it appears the outdatedBylaws are being interpreted too loosely
> and at the will by the Board. Thisopens the question of how ethical these decisi
> ons are.
> 99. In good faith and fairness to everyone, THE ELECTIONSHOULD BE RE-HELD. Aft
> er the fact, theentire summary of results, votes submitted, votes received, shou
> ld be openknowledge to the Membership and printed in the next Newsletter.
>
> 1 10. I am not sure the POCA voting membership is as keenlyaware of all these
> issues as I, however I have been a Board Member and in thepast I had questions
> of controversial decisions regarding certain issues, i.e. how a tie washandled,
> how some ballots were not received across the Country in a timelymanner because
> of weather conditions, and so on these experiences make mepersonally sensitive
> and aware of how our Memberships wishes arehonored. The person who fairly wins t
> he election, regardless of who, with no questionable decisions and changes in po
> licy, should be theEditor of Profiles.
> Thank you and appreciate your opinions,
> Laurie
>
>
>
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I second that.
Ed
On Jan 12, 2015, at 13:28, James coyne <[1]tecnosound at hotmail.com>
wrote:
Julian , Really glad to hear that you are willing to stay with the
club
! It wouldn't be as good of a club without you in it !
From: [2]julian_kift at hotmail.com
To: [3]laurieferrari at aol.com; [4]detomaso at poca.com
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 13:07:48 -0800
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Letter to Voting POCA Members
Laurie,
Well said, I think everyone on list is already aware of my stance from
prior ema
ils (rants) on the subject.
On reflection rather than walk away from POCA (which would be easy to
do) I inte
nd to renew my membership and when the time comes be sure that I am
fully prepar
ed to comply with all voting requirements (assuming rules don't change
mid elect
ion) and thus use my (and my registered associate) vote to help change
out the c
urrent administration, starting at the the top... I encourage others to
do simil
ar and vote with their ballot, not their feet.
A few bad apples shouldn't be allowed to spoil the orchard.
Julian
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 14:53:35 -0500
To: [5]detomaso at poca.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Letter to Voting POCA Members
From: [6]detomaso at poca.com
To all Voting POCA Members,
I feel the need to share that I am personally disturbed bythis recent
POCA Elect
ion process. Asthere was one position where two were running, Mike
Drew and Mik
e Haney forProfiles Editor, I am not convinced the process was
conducted properl
y and Iwould like to be sure the result represented the majority of
votingmember
s. As a POCA member, I am askingfor a REVOTE and hope that others will
second a
nd agree to back up this requestas a motion! I am writing this of my
ownfree wi
ll and opinion and without the knowledge of either of those running for
the Edit
orposition.
Reasons:
1 1. The Newsletter that was issued prior to voting misprinted that
Mike Drew
was not intending to run for Editor, thusleading many to feel he was no
longer
interested in this position. This was not true.
2 2. There was confusion with ballots, the first notlisting anyone
running for
Editor and then a second ballot was issued On-linewhich included the
names of bo
th running, Mike Haney and Mike Drew. The Board allowedthis second
ballot to be
printed and used, but then changed the date of whenthat ballot could be
received
.
33. There was controversy regarding whether the Bylawsallowed for
votes to b
e submitted by email as many members prefer thetechnologically current
and exped
ited way of voting via the Internet. There isno reason to disallow this
as by su
bmitting with ones membership number thereis no way of duplicating
votes. Assom
eone noted, the Bylaws do not actually disallow this method as Bylaws
statevotes
by mail, not specifically snail mail.
44. The Board announced it would be allowable for votes tobe presented
electroni
cally.
55. Then approximately one week before the end of thevoting period, the
Board ch
anged its mind and said only snail mail votes wouldbe counted.
66. This last minute change in voting rules made itimpossible for
many Europea
n voters to have their votes counted, and as ForeignMembers pay even
greater due
s, $90. Per year, than US members, it is unethicalto disallow their
votes withou
t allowances for special circumstances.
77. It is, in fact, destructive to the spirit and reputationof the
Club to not
count votes from ALL paying members. That would mean an extension in
time shou
ld havebeen allowed, as necessary, under the circumstances of all the
confusion
toensure a fair election.
88. At present it appears the outdatedBylaws are being interpreted too
loosely
and at the will by the Board. Thisopens the question of how ethical
these decisi
ons are.
99. In good faith and fairness to everyone, THE ELECTIONSHOULD BE
RE-HELD. Aft
er the fact, theentire summary of results, votes submitted, votes
received, shou
ld be openknowledge to the Membership and printed in the next
Newsletter.
1 10. I am not sure the POCA voting membership is as keenlyaware of
all these
issues as I, however I have been a Board Member and in thepast I had
questions
of controversial decisions regarding certain issues, i.e. how a tie
washandled,
how some ballots were not received across the Country in a timelymanner
because
of weather conditions, and so on these experiences make mepersonally
sensitive
and aware of how our Memberships wishes arehonored. The person who
fairly wins t
he election, regardless of who, with no questionable decisions and
changes in po
licy, should be theEditor of Profiles.
Thank you and appreciate your opinions,
Laurie
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