[DeTomaso] Angled Master Cylinder? Also request for front trunk picture

[Julian Kift]

I have a 1" pedal box spacer installed in my GT5 and it provided the additional legroom I was looking for (in conjunction with changing out seats). Admittedly this a later 9000 series car with the lower floor pan, so that might influence where the pedal bottoms out. I can drive long distances and still extend my left foot behind the clutch pedal.
 
To resolve the argument you need a drawing of the pedal box side on and move the pedal box horizontally vs. the pedals in an arc around their pivot. I do believe the spacer adds more than can be gained via pedal adjustment alone and without compromising clutch throw (I do have an aftermarket master cylinder and long throw slave)
 
Julian
 
From: scott at saccrestorations.net
To: detomaso at poca.com
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 14:31:40 -0800
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso]	Angled Master Cylinder? Also request for front trunk    picture

For the spacer to work, you need a VERY tight clutch and brake pedal. What I mean by this is, you need to have a short (in throw)
brake and clutch pedal. 
 
By going to a larger bore master with a pedal plate spacer you would gain leg room for taller drivers. The amount of change is
minimal but that is all that some folks need for comfort. 
 
The clutch with a long throw slave will give you a short (in throw) clutch pedal so it could be moved forward as well.
 
Again, many folks are using this setup with success. Would be nice to hear from actual users to see what their experience is since
theory is nice but actual experience is better. J
 
Scott
 
From: MikeLDrew at aol.com [mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 2:10 PM
To: scott at saccrestorations.net; detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Angled Master Cylinder? Also request for front trunk    picture
 
 
In a message dated 1/7/15 11 26 15, scott at saccrestorations.net writes:
 
 
 
 
Stock pedals will not adjust to get the pedals as close to the floor as the spaced out pedal assembly will get you.
 
>>>True--but the point is, I think the spaced-out pedals will enable you to go much too far, so then you have to adjust the pedals
closer to the driver, negating the gains associated with installing the spacer.  FWIW I just checked in my car, with a stock clutch
master, and measured the clutch pedal less than 1/2 inch from the floor when fully depressed, and I still have adjustment left and
could have it closer to the floor if I wanted to.  I wonder if the clutch effort reduction kit makes a difference?
 
 
 
>Not sure why Dan's hits the hood as there are a lot of folks that have spaced their pedals forward without an issue.
 
>>>My brake master cylinder (typical vendor aftermarket solution using a spacer/adapter and a stock Ford master) lightly kissed the
underside of the front trunk lid until I massaged the clip that holds the cover on the reservoir.  If I spaced it forward, there is
no way the trunk would close.
 
 
 
>The most common spacers are 1.5 inches thick.
 
>>>I honestly don't see what the benefit of this would be.  It would probably allow hood clearance if a stock brake master cylinder
was used, but the pedals would wind up being in the same position as they would if they were just adjusted further out with the
stock system?  However, if the front of the cockpit was cut apart at the front edge of the floor and bent forward (from the pedals
down), and then a strip of sheetmetal was welded in to lengthen the front of the floor to make up the gap, THEN spacing the pedals
forward would make sense.
 
Mike
 
 

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   I have a 1" pedal box spacer installed in my GT5 and it provided the
   additional legroom I was looking for (in conjunction with changing out
   seats). Admittedly this a later 9000 series car with the lower floor
   pan, so that might influence where the pedal bottoms out. I can drive
   long distances and still extend my left foot behind the clutch pedal.

   To resolve the argument you need a drawing of the pedal box side on and
   move the pedal box horizontally vs. the pedals in an arc around their
   pivot. I do believe the spacer adds more than can be gained via pedal
   adjustment alone and without compromising clutch throw (I do have an
   aftermarket master cylinder and long throw slave)

   Julian

   From: scott at saccrestorations.net
   To: detomaso at poca.com
   Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 14:31:40 -0800
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Angled Master Cylinder? Also request for front
   trunk    picture
For the spacer to work, you need a VERY tight clutch and brake pedal. What I mea
n by this is, you need to have a short (in throw)
brake and clutch pedal.

By going to a larger bore master with a pedal plate spacer you would gain leg ro
om for taller drivers. The amount of change is
minimal but that is all that some folks need for comfort.

The clutch with a long throw slave will give you a short (in throw) clutch pedal
 so it could be moved forward as well.

Again, many folks are using this setup with success. Would be nice to hear from
actual users to see what their experience is since
theory is nice but actual experience is better. J

Scott

From: MikeLDrew at aol.com [mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 2:10 PM
To: scott at saccrestorations.net; detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Angled Master Cylinder? Also request for front trunk
picture


In a message dated 1/7/15 11 26 15, scott at saccrestorations.net writes:




Stock pedals will not adjust to get the pedals as close to the floor as the spac
ed out pedal assembly will get you.

>>>True--but the point is, I think the spaced-out pedals will enable you to go m
uch too far, so then you have to adjust the pedals
closer to the driver, negating the gains associated with installing the spacer.
 FWIW I just checked in my car, with a stock clutch
master, and measured the clutch pedal less than 1/2 inch from the floor when ful
ly depressed, and I still have adjustment left and
could have it closer to the floor if I wanted to.  I wonder if the clutch effort
 reduction kit makes a difference?



>Not sure why Dan's hits the hood as there are a lot of folks that have spaced t
heir pedals forward without an issue.

>>>My brake master cylinder (typical vendor aftermarket solution using a spacer/
adapter and a stock Ford master) lightly kissed the
underside of the front trunk lid until I massaged the clip that holds the cover
on the reservoir.  If I spaced it forward, there is
no way the trunk would close.



>The most common spacers are 1.5 inches thick.

>>>I honestly don't see what the benefit of this would be.  It would probably al
low hood clearance if a stock brake master cylinder
was used, but the pedals would wind up being in the same position as they would
if they were just adjusted further out with the
stock system?  However, if the front of the cockpit was cut apart at the front e
dge of the floor and bent forward (from the pedals
down), and then a strip of sheetmetal was welded in to lengthen the front of the
 floor to make up the gap, THEN spacing the pedals
forward would make sense.

Mike



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