[DeTomaso] Robs Great Pantera Adventure Search

Mike Reilly reillyms at live.com
Wed Feb 25 00:07:40 EST 2015


Rob, a bumper switch does entail filling some holes and paint work but is not huge work in the context of the purchase price of a car that you otherwise really like.  The later bumpers had bigger holes for the 5mph rams and also smaller holes in different locations from earlier bumpers.  In the archives you might find folks who have written about the process.  I have the L bumpers and from some angles I like them better than the early bumpers plus the way the front is designed it can save your paint from chips along with your windshield.  Tom Tjaarda did a pretty good job with the L bumper design compared to other car designer dealing with the U.S. laws in that era.   You see a lot of the Europeans buying U.S. L’s and converting them to the smaller bumpers as well.   





From: Robert W. Garven Jr.
Sent: ‎Tuesday‎, ‎February‎ ‎24‎, ‎2015 ‎8‎:‎58‎ ‎PM
To: Mike Reilly
Cc: MyCars, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso




Mike,



Thanks for the info. How hard is it to switch the bumpers. I assume there is bodywork involved…

Has anyone heard of hayden restorations who did this car, the seller does not list the VIN.




These cars with the fancy 351’s how reliable are they. I am assuming it all comes down to who built the motor….




Im trying not to be impulsive. My wife said she liked the black car and that is the first positive thing she 

said since I told her she would have to park her miata outside…….. I guess I could bondo the hood vents! :-P







Right now I am including all cars in my search just very partial to the early flat deck lid red cars.  Plus I bought the early

owners manual!  HAAA




Rob










On Feb 24, 2015, at 7:59 PM, Mike Reilly <reillyms at live.com> wrote:


  Rob, the link to the black car comes up as a 1973 L model that has had
  the late U.S. bumpers taken off and replaced by earlier or Euro
  bumpers.  You may also want to include later cars in your search as you
  can change the L U.S. versions to Euro versions and get that look you
  want.  You also benefit from all the running updates DeTomaso and Ford
  did to the cars.  If you search in the registry using the feature
  search options you can see how the later Euro cars look and even see
  quite a few L models with the bumpers changed.   Considering later cars
  and budgeting to switch the bumpers out would widen your options as you
  can look at 2.5 years worth of more cars (1972.5-1974) rather than just
  the 1971-1972.5 (1.5 year) range : )    Mike
  From: [1]MyCars
  Sent: aTuesdaya, aFebruarya a24a, a2015 a7a:a37a aPM
  To: [2]Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso
  I remember Dallas Raines having a Chevy engine installed in his car, so
  I did a quick web search, only to find that he has owned more than one
  Pantera. I hope you find what you are looking for.
  1st half of the fun is the search for a Pantera
  2nd half of the fun is owning and driving your Pantera
  3rd half of the fun is meeting up with other Pantera owners (at track
  events, meetings, shows, dinners, ...), they are a great group of
  people
  4th half of the fun is modifying your Pantera to your own tastes
  Panteras are just too much fun, hope you can handle it
  Roydon
  On 2/24/2015 6:58 PM, Robert W. Garven Jr. wrote:

   Pantera Friends,

   Is there anyone near Orange Ca, that wants to go with or meet me

  to

   look at an early Pantera
   at PIM on Friday, March 6th?  Its Dallas Raines old car:


  [1]http://www.ebay.com/itm/Other-Makes-Pantera-Coupe-1971-detomaso-pant



  era-/321671627009?forcerrptr=true&hash=item4ae51f8101&item=321671627009

   &pt=US_Cars_Trucks
   You can email me off list. I need to go start looking at some

  cars and

   this is the closest! I live about 3 hours away so would like to

  meet

   near 11-12
   just to kick the tires. Lots of stuff I dont like on this car but
   talked to the PO and he had nice things to say, he sold the car

  becuase

   he needed the
   I would like to have someone that knows more than me be there.
   As all of you know I am looking for a perfect early car. I am not

  sure

   I am going to find one that I dont have to do lots of work on.
   However new cars keep popping up each day to tease me, like this

  one

   below. I really wish this car was red and a earlier car, I feel
   drawn to it like a moth to a lightbulb. I talked to the owner and

  he

   was very kind and was asking a fair price, but I want a red car

  if

   possible.
   Hey but Panthers are black aren't they?????
   I know many of you think I am being unrealistic about finding a

  perfect

   stock car, but I still am holding out hope. If I can find a car

  that

   the owners
   has done lots of the work then I can stop bugging you all about

  getting

   a car and start sending out steering wheel, and what color to

  paint

   wheel posts!
   HAAA


  [2]http://www.ebay.com/itm/321675854303?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2648&ss

   PageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
   Rob Garven
   I have a question about the list. I keep getting my emails

  without

   photos just links for them, is that normal. When someone
   emailed me back his reply had my photos attached?
   Ps what is the difference between a ZF-1 & ZF-2

References

   1.

  [3]http://www.ebay.com/itm/Other-Makes-Pantera-Coupe-1971-detomaso-pant
  era-/321671627009?forcerrptr=true&hash=item4ae51f8101&item=321671627009
  &pt=US_Cars_Trucks

   2.

  [4]http://www.ebay.com/itm/321675854303?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2648&ss
  PageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT




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   Rob, a bumper switch does entail filling some holes and paint work but
   is not huge work in the context of the purchase price of a car that you
   otherwise really like.  The later bumpers had bigger holes for the 5mph
   rams and also smaller holes in different locations from earlier
   bumpers.  In the archives you might find folks who have written about
   the process.  I have the L bumpers and from some angles I like them
   better than the early bumpers plus the way the front is designed it can
   save your paint from chips along with your windshield.  Tom Tjaarda did
   a pretty good job with the L bumper design compared to other car
   designer dealing with the U.S. laws in that era.   You see a lot of the
   Europeans buying U.S. Las and converting them to the smaller bumpers as
   well.
   From: [1]Robert W. Garven Jr.
   Sent: aTuesdaya, aFebruarya a24a, a2015 a8a:a58a aPM
   To: [2]Mike Reilly
   Cc: [3]MyCars, [4]Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso
   Mike,
   Thanks for the info. How hard is it to switch the bumpers. I assume
   there is bodywork involveda|
   Has anyone heard of hayden restorations who did this car, the seller
   does not list the VIN.
   These cars with the fancy 351as how reliable are they. I am assuming it
   all comes down to who built the motora|.
   Im trying not to be impulsive. My wife said she liked the black car and
   that is the first positive thing she
   said since I told her she would have to park her miata outsidea|a|.. I
   guess I could bondo the hood vents! :-P
   Right now I am including all cars in my search just very partial to the
   early flat deck lid red cars.  Plus I bought the early
   owners manual!  HAAA
   Rob
   On Feb 24, 2015, at 7:59 PM, Mike Reilly <[5]reillyms at live.com> wrote:
     Rob, the link to the black car comes up as a 1973 L model that has
   had
     the late U.S. bumpers taken off and replaced by earlier or Euro
     bumpers.  You may also want to include later cars in your search as
   you
     can change the L U.S. versions to Euro versions and get that look you
     want.  You also benefit from all the running updates DeTomaso and
   Ford
     did to the cars.  If you search in the registry using the feature
     search options you can see how the later Euro cars look and even see
     quite a few L models with the bumpers changed.   Considering later
   cars
     and budgeting to switch the bumpers out would widen your options as
   you
     can look at 2.5 years worth of more cars (1972.5-1974) rather than
   just
     the 1971-1972.5 (1.5 year) range : )    Mike
     From: [1]MyCars
     Sent: aTuesdaya, aFebruarya a24a, a2015 a7a:a37a aPM
     To: [2]Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso
     I remember Dallas Raines having a Chevy engine installed in his car,
   so
     I did a quick web search, only to find that he has owned more than
   one
     Pantera. I hope you find what you are looking for.
     1st half of the fun is the search for a Pantera
     2nd half of the fun is owning and driving your Pantera
     3rd half of the fun is meeting up with other Pantera owners (at track
     events, meetings, shows, dinners, ...), they are a great group of
     people
     4th half of the fun is modifying your Pantera to your own tastes
     Panteras are just too much fun, hope you can handle it
     Roydon
     On 2/24/2015 6:58 PM, Robert W. Garven Jr. wrote:

        Pantera Friends,
        Is there anyone near Orange Ca, that wants to go with or meet me

     to

        look at an early Pantera
        at PIM on Friday, March 6th?  Its Dallas Raines old car:

     [1][6]http://www.ebay.com/itm/Other-Makes-Pantera-Coupe-1971-detomaso
   -pant

     era-/321671627009?forcerrptr=true&hash=item4ae51f8101&item=3216716270
   09

        &pt=US_Cars_Trucks
        You can email me off list. I need to go start looking at some

     cars and

        this is the closest! I live about 3 hours away so would like to

     meet

        near 11-12
        just to kick the tires. Lots of stuff I dont like on this car but
        talked to the PO and he had nice things to say, he sold the car

     becuase

        he needed the
        I would like to have someone that knows more than me be there.
        As all of you know I am looking for a perfect early car. I am not

     sure

        I am going to find one that I dont have to do lots of work on.
        However new cars keep popping up each day to tease me, like this

     one

        below. I really wish this car was red and a earlier car, I feel
        drawn to it like a moth to a lightbulb. I talked to the owner and

     he

        was very kind and was asking a fair price, but I want a red car

     if

        possible.
        Hey but Panthers are black aren't they?????
        I know many of you think I am being unrealistic about finding a

     perfect

        stock car, but I still am holding out hope. If I can find a car

     that

        the owners
        has done lots of the work then I can stop bugging you all about

     getting

        a car and start sending out steering wheel, and what color to

     paint

        wheel posts!
        HAAA

     [2][7]http://www.ebay.com/itm/321675854303?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l26
   48&ss

        PageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
        Rob Garven
        I have a question about the list. I keep getting my emails

     without

        photos just links for them, is that normal. When someone
        emailed me back his reply had my photos attached?
        Ps what is the difference between a ZF-1 & ZF-2
     References
        1.

     [3][8]http://www.ebay.com/itm/Other-Makes-Pantera-Coupe-1971-detomaso
   -pant
     era-/321671627009?forcerrptr=true&hash=item4ae51f8101&item=3216716270
   09
     &pt=US_Cars_Trucks

        2.

     [4][9]http://www.ebay.com/itm/321675854303?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l26
   48&ss
     PageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

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   4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
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   6. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Other-Makes-Pantera-Coupe-1971-detomaso-pant
   7. http://www.ebay.com/itm/321675854303?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2648&ss
   8. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Other-Makes-Pantera-Coupe-1971-detomaso-pant
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  10. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
  11. mailto:mycars at comcast.net
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