[DeTomaso] Unhappy motor - looking for suggestions
thomas
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> 24 feb 2015 kl. 20:29 skrev Curt Hall <cuvee at sbcglobal.net>:
>
> What's with all the As?
> On Monday, February 23, 2015 8:13 PM, Don Thomas
> <don.thomas.ieee at gmail.com> wrote:
> Terry,
> I've been running my MSD 6T with a soft touch since 89.A
> So what are you running ?A
> Curious minds want to know.
> On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 1:39 PM, Bill Moore
> <[1][1]bill at incendium.com>
> wrote:
> A A What so you run Terry ?
> A A Cheers,
> A A Bill Moore
> A A Incendium Supply
> A A Calgary
> A A -------- Original message --------
> A A From: "Himes, Terry (397C)"
> A A Date:2015-02-22 1:35 PM (GMT-07:00)
> A A To: Charles McCall ,'Andy May' ,[2][2]detomaso at poca.com,Mikael
> A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Unhappy motor - looking for
> suggestions
> A A Exactly why I don't run MSD.A I have heard many many stories
> just like
> A A this.
> A A (only my personal preference.A no flames)
> A A Thanks Charles for sharing.
> A A "Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life
> A A A exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has
> tried
> A A A to contact us!"
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> A A From: Charles McCall
> A A
> <[8][5]charlesmccall at gmail.com<mailto:[9][6]charlesmccall at gmail.com>>
> A A Date: Sunday, February 22, 2015 6:38 AM
> A A To: 'Andy May'
> <[10][7]andymay24 at gmail.com<mailto:[11][8]andymay24 at gmail.com>>,
> A A "[12][9]detomaso at poca.com<mailto:[13][10]detomaso at poca.com>"
> A A <[14][11]detomaso at poca.com<mailto:[15][12]detomaso at poca.com>>,
> Mikael
> A
> A
> <[16][13]mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk<mailto:[17][14]mikael_hass at mail.tele.
> dk>
> A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Unhappy motor - looking for suggestions
> A A Hi all
> A A Last fall, I commented that my engine wasn't running well.
> Symptoms may
> A A be found in the e-mail below, and consensus was that they
> sounded
> carb
> A A related, or perhaps timing related, and a number of people
> offered
> A A suggestions. But the symptoms were sort of strange and didn't
> seem
> to
> A A perfectly fit any of the theories as to the problem.
> A A On a whim, over the winter I changed the MSD 6-AL electronic
> ignition,
> A A since I had a spare and since the last time it failed, it gave
> some
> A A really weird symptoms; erratic and sporadic problems. I sent the
> box to
> A A MSD over Christmas for analysis and they confirmed that it
> failed
> their
> A A test and had some issues. OK, sounds promising but was that the
> cause
> A A of my problems?
> A A It's been a harsh and snowy winter, but it has rained all week,
> which
> A A cleaned most of the salt from the roads. So I took the car out
> today.
> A A I'll feel better after a longer trip, but the first impression
> is
> very
> A A positive. The hesitation and stumbling is gone, no starting
> problems,
> A A and the car ran very very well. I'm cautiously saying that the
> problem
> A A has been fixed.
> A A I wanted to leave for posterity the fact that when the MSD box
> fails,
> A A it isn't always catastrophic. It would actually almost be
> preferable if
> A A it would, since I have a spare it and it would make the problem
> a
> A A little more obvious. When they start to fail they get flaky -
> symptoms
> A A that come and go. Both times they have failed I have started by
> A A inspecting from top to bottom my carb, since the symptoms
> pointed
> in
> A A that direction. Have an engine problem that you can't eliminate?
> Try
> A A looking at your electronic ignition if you have it - it can
> cause
> all
> A A kinds of weird running issues.
> A A Thanks to all who answered
> A A A Anyway, my engine is not happy. This morning in the hotel
> parking
> A A lot I
> A A A really thought that we'd have to skip today's event because
> it
> A A wouldn't
> A A A start and didn't sound like it was even thinking about
> starting.
> A A Took
> A A A probably 5 minutes of crank-wait-crank-wait before it fired.
> A A Yesterday
> A A A at the gas station it took 2-3 minutes to start, something
> that has
> A A A never, ever happened before. It is really hard to describe
> the
> A A problem
> A A A so much of it is "feel", but I'll do my best.
> A A A A few weeks ago I noticed that the engine would tend to
> stumble if I
> A A A would floor the throttle, then clear its throat and pull.
> For
> A A example,
> A A A I like to heel-and-toe, just because, and when blipping the
> throttle
> A A it
> A A A would stumble instead of rev. The engine also felt a little
> rougher,
> A A as
> A A A though it vibrated more than I remembered it. I don't
> remember
> if
> A A this
> A A A was before or after I did a short tune-up, by adjusting the
> valve
> A A lash
> A A A (I have mechanical lifters), and cleaning the K&N air filter
> by
> A A A applying K&N filter oil, etc. or if it is irrelevant. So I
> was
> A A messing
> A A A around in the engine bay recently...
> A A A This weekend the engine felt considerably worse. It felt
> like
> it
> A A would
> A A A stumble under partial throttle as well. It would stumble a
> little
> A A bit
> A A A under trailing throttle going downhill as well, so I don't
> think it
> A A is
> A A A a clogged fuel filter.
> A A A Oil temp is perfect. Oil pressure is perfect. Water temp is
> perfect.
> A A A The engine idles perfectly. But if you floor the gas from
> idle,
> A A it'll
> A A A stall. The engine doesn't feel crisp, it feels bloated and
> soft, if
> A A A that makes sense. It feels rough, and it feels like it
> occasionally
> A A A stumbles under constant throttle at highway speed. It pulls
> hard
> A A when
> A A A accelerating, but I don't think as hard as it used to, or as
> high (I
> A A A have a 6500 rpm limiting chip in the MSD that it used to
> pull
> very
> A A A easily to).
> A A A Suggestions for where to begin looking? And other info that
> would
> A A help
> A A A in troubleshooting?
> A A
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> A A A Exactly why I don't run MSD.A I have heard many many
> stories just
> A A like
> A A A this.
> A A A (only my personal preference.A no flames)
> A A A Thanks Charles for sharing.
> A A A "Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life
> A A A A exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has
> tried
> A A A A to contact us!"
> A A A Terry W. Himes
> A A [content://com.android.email.attachmentprovider/3/767/RAW]
> A A A JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
> A A A InSight Sequence Team Lead
> A A A Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead
> A A A Phone: [24](818) 393-6261
> A A A Cell:A A A [25](818) 653-8213
> A A A Fax:A A A [26](818) 393-3147
> A A A [1][27][21]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
> A A A From: Charles McCall <[2][28][22]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> A A A Date: Sunday, February 22, 2015 6:38 AM
> A A A To: 'Andy May' <[3][29][23]andymay24 at gmail.com>,
> "[4][30][24]detomaso at poca.com"
> A A A <[5][31][25]detomaso at poca.com>, Mikael
> <[6][32][26]mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk>
> A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Unhappy motor - looking for
> suggestions
> A A A Hi all
> A A A Last fall, I commented that my engine wasn't running well.
> Symptoms
> A A may
> A A A be found in the e-mail below, and consensus was that they
> sounded
> A A carb
> A A A related, or perhaps timing related, and a number of people
> offered
> A A A suggestions. But the symptoms were sort of strange and
> didn't
> seem
> A A to
> A A A perfectly fit any of the theories as to the problem.
> A A A On a whim, over the winter I changed the MSD 6-AL electronic
> A A ignition,
> A A A since I had a spare and since the last time it failed, it
> gave
> some
> A A A really weird symptoms; erratic and sporadic problems. I sent
> the box
> A A to
> A A A MSD over Christmas for analysis and they confirmed that it
> failed
> A A their
> A A A test and had some issues. OK, sounds promising but was that
> the
> A A cause
> A A A of my problems?
> A A A It's been a harsh and snowy winter, but it has rained all
> week,
> A A which
> A A A cleaned most of the salt from the roads. So I took the car
> out
> A A today.
> A A A I'll feel better after a longer trip, but the first
> impression
> is
> A A very
> A A A positive. The hesitation and stumbling is gone, no starting
> A A problems,
> A A A and the car ran very very well. I'm cautiously saying that
> the
> A A problem
> A A A has been fixed.
> A A A I wanted to leave for posterity the fact that when the MSD
> box
> A A fails,
> A A A it isn't always catastrophic. It would actually almost be
> preferable
> A A if
> A A A it would, since I have a spare it and it would make the
> problem a
> A A A little more obvious. When they start to fail they get flaky
> -
> A A symptoms
> A A A that come and go. Both times they have failed I have started
> by
> A A A inspecting from top to bottom my carb, since the symptoms
> pointed in
> A A A that direction. Have an engine problem that you can't
> eliminate? Try
> A A A looking at your electronic ignition if you have it - it can
> cause
> A A all
> A A A kinds of weird running issues.
> A A A Thanks to all who answered
> A A A A A Anyway, my engine is not happy. This morning in the
> hotel
> parking
> A A A lot I
> A A A A A really thought that we'd have to skip today's event
> because it
> A A A wouldn't
> A A A A A start and didn't sound like it was even thinking about
> starting.
> A A A Took
> A A A A A probably 5 minutes of crank-wait-crank-wait before it
> fired.
> A A A Yesterday
> A A A A A at the gas station it took 2-3 minutes to start,
> something that
> A A has
> A A A A A never, ever happened before. It is really hard to
> describe the
> A A A problem
> A A A A A so much of it is "feel", but I'll do my best.
> A A A A A A few weeks ago I noticed that the engine would tend to
> stumble
> A A if I
> A A A A A would floor the throttle, then clear its throat and
> pull.
> For
> A A A example,
> A A A A A I like to heel-and-toe, just because, and when blipping
> the
> A A throttle
> A A A it
> A A A A A would stumble instead of rev. The engine also felt a
> little
> A A rougher,
> A A A as
> A A A A A though it vibrated more than I remembered it. I don't
> remember if
> A A A this
> A A A A A was before or after I did a short tune-up, by adjusting
> the valve
> A A A lash
> A A A A A (I have mechanical lifters), and cleaning the K&N air
> filter by
> A A A A A applying K&N filter oil, etc. or if it is irrelevant.
> So
> I was
> A A A messing
> A A A A A around in the engine bay recently...
> A A A A A This weekend the engine felt considerably worse. It
> felt
> like it
> A A A would
> A A A A A stumble under partial throttle as well. It would
> stumble
> a little
> A A A bit
> A A A A A under trailing throttle going downhill as well, so I
> don't think
> A A it
> A A A is
> A A A A A a clogged fuel filter.
> A A A A A Oil temp is perfect. Oil pressure is perfect. Water
> temp
> is
> A A perfect.
> A A A A A The engine idles perfectly. But if you floor the gas
> from
> idle,
> A A A it'll
> A A A A A stall. The engine doesn't feel crisp, it feels bloated
> and soft,
> A A if
> A A A A A that makes sense. It feels rough, and it feels like it
> A A occasionally
> A A A A A stumbles under constant throttle at highway speed. It
> pulls hard
> A A A when
> A A A A A accelerating, but I don't think as hard as it used to,
> or
> as high
> A A (I
> A A A A A have a 6500 rpm limiting chip in the MSD that it used
> to
> pull
> A A very
> A A A A A easily to).
> A A A A A Suggestions for where to begin looking? And other info
> that would
> A A A help
> A A A A A in troubleshooting?
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