[DeTomaso] Unhappy motor - looking for suggestions
Don Thomas
don.thomas.ieee at gmail.com
Mon Feb 23 23:12:38 EST 2015
Terry,
I've been running my MSD 6T with a soft touch since 89.
So what are you running ?
Curious minds want to know.
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 1:39 PM, Bill Moore <bill at incendium.com> wrote:
> What so you run Terry ?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bill Moore
>
> Incendium Supply
>
> Calgary
>
> -------- Original message --------
>
> From: "Himes, Terry (397C)"
>
> Date:2015-02-22 1:35 PM (GMT-07:00)
>
> To: Charles McCall ,'Andy May' ,detomaso at poca.com,Mikael
>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Unhappy motor - looking for suggestions
>
> Exactly why I don't run MSD. I have heard many many stories just like
> this.
> (only my personal preference. no flames)
> Thanks Charles for sharing.
> "Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life
> exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried
> to contact us!"
> Terry W. Himes
> [content://com.android.email.attachmentprovider/3/767/RAW]
> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
> InSight Sequence Team Lead
> Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead
> Phone: (818) 393-6261
> Cell: (818) 653-8213
> Fax: (818) 393-3147
> thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
> From: Charles McCall
> <charlesmccall at gmail.com<mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com>>
> Date: Sunday, February 22, 2015 6:38 AM
> To: 'Andy May' <andymay24 at gmail.com<mailto:andymay24 at gmail.com>>,
> "detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>"
> <detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>, Mikael
> <mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk<mailto:mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk>>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Unhappy motor - looking for suggestions
> Hi all
> Last fall, I commented that my engine wasn't running well. Symptoms may
> be found in the e-mail below, and consensus was that they sounded carb
> related, or perhaps timing related, and a number of people offered
> suggestions. But the symptoms were sort of strange and didn't seem to
> perfectly fit any of the theories as to the problem.
> On a whim, over the winter I changed the MSD 6-AL electronic ignition,
> since I had a spare and since the last time it failed, it gave some
> really weird symptoms; erratic and sporadic problems. I sent the box to
> MSD over Christmas for analysis and they confirmed that it failed their
> test and had some issues. OK, sounds promising but was that the cause
> of my problems?
> It's been a harsh and snowy winter, but it has rained all week, which
> cleaned most of the salt from the roads. So I took the car out today.
> I'll feel better after a longer trip, but the first impression is very
> positive. The hesitation and stumbling is gone, no starting problems,
> and the car ran very very well. I'm cautiously saying that the problem
> has been fixed.
> I wanted to leave for posterity the fact that when the MSD box fails,
> it isn't always catastrophic. It would actually almost be preferable if
> it would, since I have a spare it and it would make the problem a
> little more obvious. When they start to fail they get flaky - symptoms
> that come and go. Both times they have failed I have started by
> inspecting from top to bottom my carb, since the symptoms pointed in
> that direction. Have an engine problem that you can't eliminate? Try
> looking at your electronic ignition if you have it - it can cause all
> kinds of weird running issues.
> Thanks to all who answered
> Anyway, my engine is not happy. This morning in the hotel parking
> lot I
> really thought that we'd have to skip today's event because it
> wouldn't
> start and didn't sound like it was even thinking about starting.
> Took
> probably 5 minutes of crank-wait-crank-wait before it fired.
> Yesterday
> at the gas station it took 2-3 minutes to start, something that has
> never, ever happened before. It is really hard to describe the
> problem
> so much of it is "feel", but I'll do my best.
> A few weeks ago I noticed that the engine would tend to stumble if I
> would floor the throttle, then clear its throat and pull. For
> example,
> I like to heel-and-toe, just because, and when blipping the throttle
> it
> would stumble instead of rev. The engine also felt a little rougher,
> as
> though it vibrated more than I remembered it. I don't remember if
> this
> was before or after I did a short tune-up, by adjusting the valve
> lash
> (I have mechanical lifters), and cleaning the K&N air filter by
> applying K&N filter oil, etc. or if it is irrelevant. So I was
> messing
> around in the engine bay recently...
> This weekend the engine felt considerably worse. It felt like it
> would
> stumble under partial throttle as well. It would stumble a little
> bit
> under trailing throttle going downhill as well, so I don't think it
> is
> a clogged fuel filter.
> Oil temp is perfect. Oil pressure is perfect. Water temp is perfect.
> The engine idles perfectly. But if you floor the gas from idle,
> it'll
> stall. The engine doesn't feel crisp, it feels bloated and soft, if
> that makes sense. It feels rough, and it feels like it occasionally
> stumbles under constant throttle at highway speed. It pulls hard
> when
> accelerating, but I don't think as hard as it used to, or as high (I
> have a 6500 rpm limiting chip in the MSD that it used to pull very
> easily to).
> Suggestions for where to begin looking? And other info that would
> help
> in troubleshooting?
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> Exactly why I don't run MSD. I have heard many many stories just
> like
> this.
> (only my personal preference. no flames)
> Thanks Charles for sharing.
> "Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life
> exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried
> to contact us!"
> Terry W. Himes
> [content://com.android.email.attachmentprovider/3/767/RAW]
> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
> InSight Sequence Team Lead
> Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead
> Phone: (818) 393-6261
> Cell: (818) 653-8213
> Fax: (818) 393-3147
> [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
> From: Charles McCall <[2]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> Date: Sunday, February 22, 2015 6:38 AM
> To: 'Andy May' <[3]andymay24 at gmail.com>, "[4]detomaso at poca.com"
> <[5]detomaso at poca.com>, Mikael <[6]mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Unhappy motor - looking for suggestions
> Hi all
> Last fall, I commented that my engine wasn't running well. Symptoms
> may
> be found in the e-mail below, and consensus was that they sounded
> carb
> related, or perhaps timing related, and a number of people offered
> suggestions. But the symptoms were sort of strange and didn't seem
> to
> perfectly fit any of the theories as to the problem.
> On a whim, over the winter I changed the MSD 6-AL electronic
> ignition,
> since I had a spare and since the last time it failed, it gave some
> really weird symptoms; erratic and sporadic problems. I sent the box
> to
> MSD over Christmas for analysis and they confirmed that it failed
> their
> test and had some issues. OK, sounds promising but was that the
> cause
> of my problems?
> It's been a harsh and snowy winter, but it has rained all week,
> which
> cleaned most of the salt from the roads. So I took the car out
> today.
> I'll feel better after a longer trip, but the first impression is
> very
> positive. The hesitation and stumbling is gone, no starting
> problems,
> and the car ran very very well. I'm cautiously saying that the
> problem
> has been fixed.
> I wanted to leave for posterity the fact that when the MSD box
> fails,
> it isn't always catastrophic. It would actually almost be preferable
> if
> it would, since I have a spare it and it would make the problem a
> little more obvious. When they start to fail they get flaky -
> symptoms
> that come and go. Both times they have failed I have started by
> inspecting from top to bottom my carb, since the symptoms pointed in
> that direction. Have an engine problem that you can't eliminate? Try
> looking at your electronic ignition if you have it - it can cause
> all
> kinds of weird running issues.
> Thanks to all who answered
> Anyway, my engine is not happy. This morning in the hotel parking
> lot I
> really thought that we'd have to skip today's event because it
> wouldn't
> start and didn't sound like it was even thinking about starting.
> Took
> probably 5 minutes of crank-wait-crank-wait before it fired.
> Yesterday
> at the gas station it took 2-3 minutes to start, something that
> has
> never, ever happened before. It is really hard to describe the
> problem
> so much of it is "feel", but I'll do my best.
> A few weeks ago I noticed that the engine would tend to stumble
> if I
> would floor the throttle, then clear its throat and pull. For
> example,
> I like to heel-and-toe, just because, and when blipping the
> throttle
> it
> would stumble instead of rev. The engine also felt a little
> rougher,
> as
> though it vibrated more than I remembered it. I don't remember if
> this
> was before or after I did a short tune-up, by adjusting the valve
> lash
> (I have mechanical lifters), and cleaning the K&N air filter by
> applying K&N filter oil, etc. or if it is irrelevant. So I was
> messing
> around in the engine bay recently...
> This weekend the engine felt considerably worse. It felt like it
> would
> stumble under partial throttle as well. It would stumble a little
> bit
> under trailing throttle going downhill as well, so I don't think
> it
> is
> a clogged fuel filter.
> Oil temp is perfect. Oil pressure is perfect. Water temp is
> perfect.
> The engine idles perfectly. But if you floor the gas from idle,
> it'll
> stall. The engine doesn't feel crisp, it feels bloated and soft,
> if
> that makes sense. It feels rough, and it feels like it
> occasionally
> stumbles under constant throttle at highway speed. It pulls hard
> when
> accelerating, but I don't think as hard as it used to, or as high
> (I
> have a 6500 rpm limiting chip in the MSD that it used to pull
> very
> easily to).
> Suggestions for where to begin looking? And other info that would
> help
> in troubleshooting?
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Terry,
I've been running my MSD 6T with a soft touch since 89.A
So what are you running ?A
Curious minds want to know.
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 1:39 PM, Bill Moore <[1]bill at incendium.com>
wrote:
A A What so you run Terry ?
A A Cheers,
A A Bill Moore
A A Incendium Supply
A A Calgary
A A -------- Original message --------
A A From: "Himes, Terry (397C)"
A A Date:2015-02-22 1:35 PM (GMT-07:00)
A A To: Charles McCall ,'Andy May' ,[2]detomaso at poca.com,Mikael
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Unhappy motor - looking for suggestions
A A Exactly why I don't run MSD.A I have heard many many stories
just like
A A this.
A A (only my personal preference.A no flames)
A A Thanks Charles for sharing.
A A "Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life
A A A exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has
tried
A A A to contact us!"
A A Terry W. Himes
A A [content://com.android.email.attachmentprovider/3/767/RAW]
A A JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
A A InSight Sequence Team Lead
A A Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead
A A Phone: [3](818) 393-6261
A A Cell:A A A [4](818) 653-8213
A A Fax:A A A [5](818) 393-3147
A A [6]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:[7]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
A A From: Charles McCall
A A <[8]charlesmccall at gmail.com<mailto:[9]charlesmccall at gmail.com>>
A A Date: Sunday, February 22, 2015 6:38 AM
A A To: 'Andy May'
<[10]andymay24 at gmail.com<mailto:[11]andymay24 at gmail.com>>,
A A "[12]detomaso at poca.com<mailto:[13]detomaso at poca.com>"
A A <[14]detomaso at poca.com<mailto:[15]detomaso at poca.com>>, Mikael
A
A <[16]mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk<mailto:[17]mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk>
>
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Unhappy motor - looking for suggestions
A A Hi all
A A Last fall, I commented that my engine wasn't running well.
Symptoms may
A A be found in the e-mail below, and consensus was that they sounded
carb
A A related, or perhaps timing related, and a number of people offered
A A suggestions. But the symptoms were sort of strange and didn't seem
to
A A perfectly fit any of the theories as to the problem.
A A On a whim, over the winter I changed the MSD 6-AL electronic
ignition,
A A since I had a spare and since the last time it failed, it gave
some
A A really weird symptoms; erratic and sporadic problems. I sent the
box to
A A MSD over Christmas for analysis and they confirmed that it failed
their
A A test and had some issues. OK, sounds promising but was that the
cause
A A of my problems?
A A It's been a harsh and snowy winter, but it has rained all week,
which
A A cleaned most of the salt from the roads. So I took the car out
today.
A A I'll feel better after a longer trip, but the first impression is
very
A A positive. The hesitation and stumbling is gone, no starting
problems,
A A and the car ran very very well. I'm cautiously saying that the
problem
A A has been fixed.
A A I wanted to leave for posterity the fact that when the MSD box
fails,
A A it isn't always catastrophic. It would actually almost be
preferable if
A A it would, since I have a spare it and it would make the problem a
A A little more obvious. When they start to fail they get flaky -
symptoms
A A that come and go. Both times they have failed I have started by
A A inspecting from top to bottom my carb, since the symptoms pointed
in
A A that direction. Have an engine problem that you can't eliminate?
Try
A A looking at your electronic ignition if you have it - it can cause
all
A A kinds of weird running issues.
A A Thanks to all who answered
A A A Anyway, my engine is not happy. This morning in the hotel
parking
A A lot I
A A A really thought that we'd have to skip today's event because it
A A wouldn't
A A A start and didn't sound like it was even thinking about
starting.
A A Took
A A A probably 5 minutes of crank-wait-crank-wait before it fired.
A A Yesterday
A A A at the gas station it took 2-3 minutes to start, something
that has
A A A never, ever happened before. It is really hard to describe the
A A problem
A A A so much of it is "feel", but I'll do my best.
A A A A few weeks ago I noticed that the engine would tend to
stumble if I
A A A would floor the throttle, then clear its throat and pull. For
A A example,
A A A I like to heel-and-toe, just because, and when blipping the
throttle
A A it
A A A would stumble instead of rev. The engine also felt a little
rougher,
A A as
A A A though it vibrated more than I remembered it. I don't remember
if
A A this
A A A was before or after I did a short tune-up, by adjusting the
valve
A A lash
A A A (I have mechanical lifters), and cleaning the K&N air filter
by
A A A applying K&N filter oil, etc. or if it is irrelevant. So I was
A A messing
A A A around in the engine bay recently...
A A A This weekend the engine felt considerably worse. It felt like
it
A A would
A A A stumble under partial throttle as well. It would stumble a
little
A A bit
A A A under trailing throttle going downhill as well, so I don't
think it
A A is
A A A a clogged fuel filter.
A A A Oil temp is perfect. Oil pressure is perfect. Water temp is
perfect.
A A A The engine idles perfectly. But if you floor the gas from
idle,
A A it'll
A A A stall. The engine doesn't feel crisp, it feels bloated and
soft, if
A A A that makes sense. It feels rough, and it feels like it
occasionally
A A A stumbles under constant throttle at highway speed. It pulls
hard
A A when
A A A accelerating, but I don't think as hard as it used to, or as
high (I
A A A have a 6500 rpm limiting chip in the MSD that it used to pull
very
A A A easily to).
A A A Suggestions for where to begin looking? And other info that
would
A A help
A A A in troubleshooting?
A A !DSPAM:54568258260291209923907!
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A A A Exactly why I don't run MSD.A I have heard many many
stories just
A A like
A A A this.
A A A (only my personal preference.A no flames)
A A A Thanks Charles for sharing.
A A A "Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life
A A A A exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has
tried
A A A A to contact us!"
A A A Terry W. Himes
A A [content://com.android.email.attachmentprovider/3/767/RAW]
A A A JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
A A A InSight Sequence Team Lead
A A A Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead
A A A Phone: [24](818) 393-6261
A A A Cell:A A A [25](818) 653-8213
A A A Fax:A A A [26](818) 393-3147
A A A [1][27]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
A A A From: Charles McCall <[2][28]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
A A A Date: Sunday, February 22, 2015 6:38 AM
A A A To: 'Andy May' <[3][29]andymay24 at gmail.com>,
"[4][30]detomaso at poca.com"
A A A <[5][31]detomaso at poca.com>, Mikael
<[6][32]mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk>
A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Unhappy motor - looking for
suggestions
A A A Hi all
A A A Last fall, I commented that my engine wasn't running well.
Symptoms
A A may
A A A be found in the e-mail below, and consensus was that they
sounded
A A carb
A A A related, or perhaps timing related, and a number of people
offered
A A A suggestions. But the symptoms were sort of strange and didn't
seem
A A to
A A A perfectly fit any of the theories as to the problem.
A A A On a whim, over the winter I changed the MSD 6-AL electronic
A A ignition,
A A A since I had a spare and since the last time it failed, it gave
some
A A A really weird symptoms; erratic and sporadic problems. I sent
the box
A A to
A A A MSD over Christmas for analysis and they confirmed that it
failed
A A their
A A A test and had some issues. OK, sounds promising but was that
the
A A cause
A A A of my problems?
A A A It's been a harsh and snowy winter, but it has rained all
week,
A A which
A A A cleaned most of the salt from the roads. So I took the car out
A A today.
A A A I'll feel better after a longer trip, but the first impression
is
A A very
A A A positive. The hesitation and stumbling is gone, no starting
A A problems,
A A A and the car ran very very well. I'm cautiously saying that the
A A problem
A A A has been fixed.
A A A I wanted to leave for posterity the fact that when the MSD box
A A fails,
A A A it isn't always catastrophic. It would actually almost be
preferable
A A if
A A A it would, since I have a spare it and it would make the
problem a
A A A little more obvious. When they start to fail they get flaky -
A A symptoms
A A A that come and go. Both times they have failed I have started
by
A A A inspecting from top to bottom my carb, since the symptoms
pointed in
A A A that direction. Have an engine problem that you can't
eliminate? Try
A A A looking at your electronic ignition if you have it - it can
cause
A A all
A A A kinds of weird running issues.
A A A Thanks to all who answered
A A A A A Anyway, my engine is not happy. This morning in the hotel
parking
A A A lot I
A A A A A really thought that we'd have to skip today's event
because it
A A A wouldn't
A A A A A start and didn't sound like it was even thinking about
starting.
A A A Took
A A A A A probably 5 minutes of crank-wait-crank-wait before it
fired.
A A A Yesterday
A A A A A at the gas station it took 2-3 minutes to start,
something that
A A has
A A A A A never, ever happened before. It is really hard to
describe the
A A A problem
A A A A A so much of it is "feel", but I'll do my best.
A A A A A A few weeks ago I noticed that the engine would tend to
stumble
A A if I
A A A A A would floor the throttle, then clear its throat and pull.
For
A A A example,
A A A A A I like to heel-and-toe, just because, and when blipping
the
A A throttle
A A A it
A A A A A would stumble instead of rev. The engine also felt a
little
A A rougher,
A A A as
A A A A A though it vibrated more than I remembered it. I don't
remember if
A A A this
A A A A A was before or after I did a short tune-up, by adjusting
the valve
A A A lash
A A A A A (I have mechanical lifters), and cleaning the K&N air
filter by
A A A A A applying K&N filter oil, etc. or if it is irrelevant. So
I was
A A A messing
A A A A A around in the engine bay recently...
A A A A A This weekend the engine felt considerably worse. It felt
like it
A A A would
A A A A A stumble under partial throttle as well. It would stumble
a little
A A A bit
A A A A A under trailing throttle going downhill as well, so I
don't think
A A it
A A A is
A A A A A a clogged fuel filter.
A A A A A Oil temp is perfect. Oil pressure is perfect. Water temp
is
A A perfect.
A A A A A The engine idles perfectly. But if you floor the gas from
idle,
A A A it'll
A A A A A stall. The engine doesn't feel crisp, it feels bloated
and soft,
A A if
A A A A A that makes sense. It feels rough, and it feels like it
A A occasionally
A A A A A stumbles under constant throttle at highway speed. It
pulls hard
A A A when
A A A A A accelerating, but I don't think as hard as it used to, or
as high
A A (I
A A A A A have a 6500 rpm limiting chip in the MSD that it used to
pull
A A very
A A A A A easily to).
A A A A A Suggestions for where to begin looking? And other info
that would
A A A help
A A A A A in troubleshooting?
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