[DeTomaso] Unhappy motor - looking for suggestions
Richard Greenblum
Richard at richardgreenblum.com
Mon Feb 23 11:13:24 EST 2015
It's funny how different everyone's experiences are. I've had a Mallory
Unilite/HiFire system on my Pantera for more than 15years with no problems.
I don't turn more than 5,500 RPM. I put one on a boat I had back in the 80s
(Commander Marine converted 351 Windsor with single-point distributor) and
that one never failed either. The boat at WOT wouldn't turn more than 4,400
or maybe a screaming 4,500 RPM.
Richard
Austin, TX
#7080
From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
Date: Monday, February 23, 2015 9:23 AM
To: Don Thomas <don.thomas.ieee at gmail.com>, Ken Green
<kenn_green at yahoo.com>
Cc: deTomaso List <detomaso at poca.com>, "mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk"
<mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Unhappy motor - looking for suggestions
I had 2 Mallory HiFire digital 6 boxes fail - in 2 separate cars, my 67
Mustang and my Pantera.
I had an 84 Mustang 2.3L turbo that got hot and the TFI unit on the side
of the distributor failed. I replaced it, and the replacement was bad
too. So, we replaced it again, and the 2nd replacement was good.
I've run MSD 6AL on 3 cars now, and so far they haven't failed.
I like the MSD (or similar box) because a) they sometimes come with start
retard, b) they seem to run better where I spend the most time - below
4,000 rpm and c) they have a built-in rev limiter.
I would gladly switch to another box that has a better reputation, but I
don't know of any.
--
Will
On 2/23/15 10:12 AM, "Don Thomas" <don.thomas.ieee at gmail.com> wrote:
> Here is one redundant system on e-bay.
> [1]http://www.ebay.com/itm/141426581678
>
> On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Ken Green via DeTomaso
> <[2]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
>
> A A Has anyone compared the failure rate on MSD ignitions to the
> location?
> A A Maybe in a hot Pantera engine compartment, the life is
> reduced.A A lot
> A A of professional racers use (or at least used to use in the
> A A past) redundant MSD ignition systems that let them switch at
> any
> A A moment.A I assume if there was something as good or better,
> they would
> A A use it.
> A A Ken
> A A
> A __________________________________________________________________
> A A From: Pantdino via DeTomaso <[3]detomaso at poca.com>
> A A To: [4]charlesmccall at gmail.com; [5]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov;
> A A [6]andymay24 at gmail.com; [7]detomaso at poca.com;
> [8]mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk
> A A Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 1:42 PM
> A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Unhappy motor - looking for suggestions
> A A A There are tens or hundreds of millions of cars running
> around with
> A A A electronic ignition systems with a failure rate of
> essentially zero.
> A A A If the rate for MSDs is even 1% per year it is probably 100-
> 1000
> A A times
> A A A higher than the other systems.
> A A A Why would anyone use one?A Doesn't it revert to single
> spark mode at
> A A A like 4K anyway?A What is the point?'
> A A A Jim Oddie
> A A A -----Original Message-----
>
> A A A From: Charles McCall <[1][9]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> A A A To: 'Himes, Terry (397C)' (397C)'
> <[2][10]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>;
> A A 'Andy
> A A A May' <[3][11]andymay24 at gmail.com>; detomaso
> <[4][12]detomaso at poca.com>;
> A A 'Mikael'
> A A A <[5][13]mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk>
> A A A Sent: Sun, Feb 22, 2015 12:56 pm
> A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Unhappy motor - looking for suggestions
> A A A Terry -
> A A A I had a similar discussion off-line with a forum member when I
> A A A mentioned that I'd had 2 MSD boxes go bad in the 15 years I've
> been
> A A A running them. He mentioned that there were numerous cases of
> MSD
> A A boxes
> A A A failing, and I've heard them as well.
> A A A What I don't have are facts or data with respect to failure
> rates. Do
> A A A we hear about MSD boxes failing because they are 4 times as
> popular
> A A as
> A A A the nearest competitor and that's why we hear about them? If we
> only
> A A A base our opinions on "background noise" or reported issues on a
> A A forum,
> A A A then Panteras are not terribly reliable, so we need to look for
> data.
> A A A Does anyone know if there are any objective studies regarding
> failure
> A A A rate per year, or miles, or something?
> A A A The previous box failed (I believe) because someone welded on
> the car
> A A A without disconnecting the unit, something we are warned not to
> do.
> A A This
> A A A box I had no explanation. Happy to change units if there are
> A A objective
> A A A facts that demonstrate that someone else has a better product.
> Any
> A A A thoughts?
>
> A A A From: Himes, Terry (397C)
> [[1]mailto:[6][14]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov]
> A A A Sent: domingo, 22 de febrero de 2015 21:35
> A A A To: Charles McCall; 'Andy May'; [2][7][15]detomaso at poca.com;
> Mikael
> A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Unhappy motor - looking for
> suggestions
> A A A Exactly why I don't run MSD.A I have heard many many
> stories just
> A A like
> A A A this.
> A A A (only my personal preference.A no flames)
> A A A Thanks Charles for sharing.
> A A A "Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life
> A A A A exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has
> tried
> A A A A to contact us!"
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> A A A d--od-,
> A A A From: Charles McCall <[2][5][10][20]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> A A A Date: Sunday, February 22, 2015 6:38 AM
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> A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Unhappy motor - looking for suggestions
> A A A Hi all
> A A A Last fall, I commented that my engine wasn't running well.
> Symptoms
> A A may
> A A A be found in the e-mail below, and consensus was that they
> sounded
> A A carb
> A A A related, or perhaps timing related, and a number of people
> offered
> A A A suggestions. But the symptoms were sort of strange and didn't
> seem to
> A A A perfectly fit any of the theories as to the problem.
> A A A On a whim, over the winter I changed the MSD 6-AL electronic
> A A ignition,
> A A A since I had a spare and since the last time it failed, it gave
> some
> A A A really weird symptoms; erratic and sporadic problems. I sent
> the box
> A A to
> A A A MSD over Christmas for analysis and they confirmed that it
> failed
> A A their
> A A A test and had some issues. OK, sounds promising but was that the
> cause
> A A A of my problems?
> A A A It's been a harsh and snowy winter, but it has rained all week,
> which
> A A A cleaned most of the salt from the roads. So I took the car out
> today.
> A A A I'll feel better after a longer trip, but the first impression
> is
> A A very
> A A A positive. The hesitation and stumbling is gone, no starting
> problems,
> A A A and the car ran very very well. I'm cautiously saying that the
> A A problem
> A A A has been fixed.
> A A A I wanted to leave for posterity the fact that when the MSD box
> fails,
> A A A it isn't always catastrophic. It would actually almost be
> preferable
> A A if
> A A A it would, since I have a spare it and it would make the problem
> a
> A A A little more obvious. When they start to fail they get flaky -
> A A symptoms
> A A A that come and go. Both times they have failed I have started by
> A A A inspecting from top to bottom my carb, since the symptoms
> pointed in
> A A A that direction. Have an engine problem that you can't
> eliminate? Try
> A A A looking at your electronic ignition if you have it - it can
> cause all
> A A A kinds of weird running issues.
> A A A Thanks to all who answered
> A A A A A Anyway, my engine is not happy. This morning in the hotel
> parking
> A A A lot I
> A A A A A really thought that we'd have to skip today's event
> because it
> A A A wouldn't
> A A A A A start and didn't sound like it was even thinking about
> starting.
> A A A Took
> A A A A A probably 5 minutes of crank-wait-crank-wait before it
> fired.
> A A A Yesterday
> A A A A A at the gas station it took 2-3 minutes to start,
> something that
> A A has
> A A A A A never, ever happened before. It is really hard to
> describe the
> A A A problem
> A A A A A so much of it is "feel", but I'll do my best.
> A A A A A A few weeks ago I noticed that the engine would tend to
> stumble
> A A if I
> A A A A A would floor the throttle, then clear its throat and pull.
> For
> A A A example,
> A A A A A I like to heel-and-toe, just because, and when blipping
> the
> A A throttle
> A A A it
> A A A A A would stumble instead of rev. The engine also felt a
> little
> A A rougher,
> A A A as
> A A A A A though it vibrated more than I remembered it. I don't
> remember if
> A A A this
> A A A A A was before or after I did a short tune-up, by adjusting
> the valve
> A A A lash
> A A A A A (I have mechanical lifters), and cleaning the K&N air
> filter by
> A A A A A applying K&N filter oil, etc. or if it is irrelevant. So
> I was
> A A A messing
> A A A A A around in the engine bay recently...
> A A A A A This weekend the engine felt considerably worse. It felt
> like it
> A A A would
> A A A A A stumble under partial throttle as well. It would stumble
> a little
> A A A bit
> A A A A A under trailing throttle going downhill as well, so I
> don't think
> A A it
> A A A is
> A A A A A a clogged fuel filter.
> A A A A A Oil temp is perfect. Oil pressure is perfect. Water temp
> is
> A A perfect.
> A A A A A The engine idles perfectly. But if you floor the gas from
> idle,
> A A A it'll
> A A A A A stall. The engine doesn't feel crisp, it feels bloated
> and soft,
> A A if
> A A A A A that makes sense. It feels rough, and it feels like it
> A A occasionally
> A A A A A stumbles under constant throttle at highway speed. It
> pulls hard
> A A A when
> A A A A A accelerating, but I don't think as hard as it used to, or
> as high
> A A (I
> A A A A A have a 6500 rpm limiting chip in the MSD that it used to
> pull
> A A very
> A A A A A easily to).
> A A A A A Suggestions for where to begin looking? And other info
> that would
> A A A help
> A A A A A in troubleshooting?
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It's funny how different everyone's experiences are. I've had a
Mallory Unilite/HiFire system on my Pantera for more than 15years with
no problems. I don't turn more than 5,500 RPM. I put one on a boat I
had back in the 80s (Commander Marine converted 351 Windsor with
single-point distributor) and that one never failed either. The boat
at WOT wouldn't turn more than 4,400 or maybe a screaming 4,500 RPM.
Richard
Austin, TX
#7080
From: Will Kooiman <[1]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
Date: Monday, February 23, 2015 9:23 AM
To: Don Thomas <[2]don.thomas.ieee at gmail.com>, Ken Green
<[3]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
Cc: deTomaso List <[4]detomaso at poca.com>, "[5]mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk"
<[6]mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Unhappy motor - looking for suggestions
I had 2 Mallory HiFire digital 6 boxes fail - in 2 separate cars, my 67
Mustang and my Pantera.
I had an 84 Mustang 2.3L turbo that got hot and the TFI unit on the
side
of the distributor failed. I replaced it, and the replacement was bad
too. So, we replaced it again, and the 2nd replacement was good.
I've run MSD 6AL on 3 cars now, and so far they haven't failed.
I like the MSD (or similar box) because a) they sometimes come with
start
retard, b) they seem to run better where I spend the most time - below
4,000 rpm and c) they have a built-in rev limiter.
I would gladly switch to another box that has a better reputation, but
I
don't know of any.
--
Will
On 2/23/15 10:12 AM, "Don Thomas" <[7]don.thomas.ieee at gmail.com> wrote:
Here is one redundant system on e-bay.
[1][8]http://www.ebay.com/itm/141426581678
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Ken Green via DeTomaso
<[2][9]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
A A Has anyone compared the failure rate on MSD ignitions to the
location?
A A Maybe in a hot Pantera engine compartment, the life is
reduced.A A lot
A A of professional racers use (or at least used to use in the
A A past) redundant MSD ignition systems that let them switch at
any
A A moment.A I assume if there was something as good or better,
they would
A A use it.
A A Ken
A A
A
__________________________________________________________________
A A From: Pantdino via DeTomaso <[3][10]detomaso at poca.com>
A A To: [4][11]charlesmccall at gmail.com;
[5][12]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov;
A A [6][13]andymay24 at gmail.com; [7][14]detomaso at poca.com;
[8][15]mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk
A A Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 1:42 PM
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Unhappy motor - looking for
suggestions
A A A There are tens or hundreds of millions of cars running
around with
A A A electronic ignition systems with a failure rate of
essentially zero.
A A A If the rate for MSDs is even 1% per year it is probably
100-
1000
A A times
A A A higher than the other systems.
A A A Why would anyone use one?A Doesn't it revert to single
spark mode at
A A A like 4K anyway?A What is the point?'
A A A Jim Oddie
A A A -----Original Message-----
A A A From: Charles McCall <[1][9][16]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
A A A To: 'Himes, Terry (397C)' (397C)'
<[2][10][17]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>;
A A 'Andy
A A A May' <[3][11][18]andymay24 at gmail.com>; detomaso
<[4][12][19]detomaso at poca.com>;
A A 'Mikael'
A A A <[5][13][20]mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk>
A A A Sent: Sun, Feb 22, 2015 12:56 pm
A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Unhappy motor - looking for
suggestions
A A A Terry -
A A A I had a similar discussion off-line with a forum member when
I
A A A mentioned that I'd had 2 MSD boxes go bad in the 15 years
I've
been
A A A running them. He mentioned that there were numerous cases of
MSD
A A boxes
A A A failing, and I've heard them as well.
A A A What I don't have are facts or data with respect to failure
rates. Do
A A A we hear about MSD boxes failing because they are 4 times as
popular
A A as
A A A the nearest competitor and that's why we hear about them? If
we
only
A A A base our opinions on "background noise" or reported issues
on a
A A forum,
A A A then Panteras are not terribly reliable, so we need to look
for
data.
A A A Does anyone know if there are any objective studies
regarding
failure
A A A rate per year, or miles, or something?
A A A The previous box failed (I believe) because someone welded
on
the car
A A A without disconnecting the unit, something we are warned not
to
do.
A A This
A A A box I had no explanation. Happy to change units if there are
A A objective
A A A facts that demonstrate that someone else has a better
product.
Any
A A A thoughts?
A A A From: Himes, Terry (397C)
[[1][21]mailto:[6][14]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov]
A A A Sent: domingo, 22 de febrero de 2015 21:35
A A A To: Charles McCall; 'Andy May';
[2][7][15][22]detomaso at poca.com;
Mikael
A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Unhappy motor - looking for
suggestions
A A A Exactly why I don't run MSD.A I have heard many many
stories just
A A like
A A A this.
A A A (only my personal preference.A no flames)
A A A Thanks Charles for sharing.
A A A "Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life
A A A A exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has
tried
A A A A to contact us!"
A A A Terry W.
HimesA [cid:[3][8][23]image001.png at 01D04EE9.ADCE0150]
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A A A [1][4][9][19][24]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
A A A d--od-,
A A A From: Charles McCall
<[2][5][10][20][25]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
A A A Date: Sunday, February 22, 2015 6:38 AM
A A A To: 'Andy May' <[3][6][11][21][26]andymay24 at gmail.com>,
A A "[4][7][12][22][27]detomaso at poca.com"
A A A <[5][8][13][23][28]detomaso at poca.com>, Mikael
A A <[6][9][14][24][29]mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk>
A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Unhappy motor - looking for
suggestions
A A A Hi all
A A A Last fall, I commented that my engine wasn't running well.
Symptoms
A A may
A A A be found in the e-mail below, and consensus was that they
sounded
A A carb
A A A related, or perhaps timing related, and a number of people
offered
A A A suggestions. But the symptoms were sort of strange and
didn't
seem to
A A A perfectly fit any of the theories as to the problem.
A A A On a whim, over the winter I changed the MSD 6-AL electronic
A A ignition,
A A A since I had a spare and since the last time it failed, it
gave
some
A A A really weird symptoms; erratic and sporadic problems. I sent
the box
A A to
A A A MSD over Christmas for analysis and they confirmed that it
failed
A A their
A A A test and had some issues. OK, sounds promising but was that
the
cause
A A A of my problems?
A A A It's been a harsh and snowy winter, but it has rained all
week,
which
A A A cleaned most of the salt from the roads. So I took the car
out
today.
A A A I'll feel better after a longer trip, but the first
impression
is
A A very
A A A positive. The hesitation and stumbling is gone, no starting
problems,
A A A and the car ran very very well. I'm cautiously saying that
the
A A problem
A A A has been fixed.
A A A I wanted to leave for posterity the fact that when the MSD
box
fails,
A A A it isn't always catastrophic. It would actually almost be
preferable
A A if
A A A it would, since I have a spare it and it would make the
problem
a
A A A little more obvious. When they start to fail they get flaky
-
A A symptoms
A A A that come and go. Both times they have failed I have started
by
A A A inspecting from top to bottom my carb, since the symptoms
pointed in
A A A that direction. Have an engine problem that you can't
eliminate? Try
A A A looking at your electronic ignition if you have it - it can
cause all
A A A kinds of weird running issues.
A A A Thanks to all who answered
A A A A A Anyway, my engine is not happy. This morning in the
hotel
parking
A A A lot I
A A A A A really thought that we'd have to skip today's event
because it
A A A wouldn't
A A A A A start and didn't sound like it was even thinking about
starting.
A A A Took
A A A A A probably 5 minutes of crank-wait-crank-wait before it
fired.
A A A Yesterday
A A A A A at the gas station it took 2-3 minutes to start,
something that
A A has
A A A A A never, ever happened before. It is really hard to
describe the
A A A problem
A A A A A so much of it is "feel", but I'll do my best.
A A A A A A few weeks ago I noticed that the engine would tend
to
stumble
A A if I
A A A A A would floor the throttle, then clear its throat and
pull.
For
A A A example,
A A A A A I like to heel-and-toe, just because, and when
blipping
the
A A throttle
A A A it
A A A A A would stumble instead of rev. The engine also felt a
little
A A rougher,
A A A as
A A A A A though it vibrated more than I remembered it. I don't
remember if
A A A this
A A A A A was before or after I did a short tune-up, by
adjusting
the valve
A A A lash
A A A A A (I have mechanical lifters), and cleaning the K&N air
filter by
A A A A A applying K&N filter oil, etc. or if it is irrelevant.
So
I was
A A A messing
A A A A A around in the engine bay recently...
A A A A A This weekend the engine felt considerably worse. It
felt
like it
A A A would
A A A A A stumble under partial throttle as well. It would
stumble
a little
A A A bit
A A A A A under trailing throttle going downhill as well, so I
don't think
A A it
A A A is
A A A A A a clogged fuel filter.
A A A A A Oil temp is perfect. Oil pressure is perfect. Water
temp
is
A A perfect.
A A A A A The engine idles perfectly. But if you floor the gas
from
idle,
A A A it'll
A A A A A stall. The engine doesn't feel crisp, it feels bloated
and soft,
A A if
A A A A A that makes sense. It feels rough, and it feels like it
A A occasionally
A A A A A stumbles under constant throttle at highway speed. It
pulls hard
A A A when
A A A A A accelerating, but I don't think as hard as it used to,
or
as high
A A (I
A A A A A have a 6500 rpm limiting chip in the MSD that it used
to
pull
A A very
A A A A A easily to).
A A A A A Suggestions for where to begin looking? And other info
that would
A A A help
A A A A A in troubleshooting?
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