[DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] Extremely Important Vote for POCA
Ed Mendez
edducati at mac.com
Tue Feb 10 18:51:27 EST 2015
> Begin forwarded message:
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> Subject: Re: [SDP] Re: [DeTomaso] Extremely Important Vote for POCA
> From: mbglobalsc via SDPANTERAS <sdpanteras at googlegroups.com>
> Cc: sdpanteras at googlegroups.com, detomaso at poca.com, whohnhorst at cox.net, flyersnest at yahoo.com
> Date: February 10, 2015 at 15:43:26 PST
> Reply-To: mbglobalsc at aol.com
>
> Hi Marshall,
>
> I just read your email to Ed Mendez and have to say you are correct in that the announcement about the upcoming POCA
> vote, should have been made by the POCA Board. Ed was trying to help out, but didn't get the narrative right about what
> is going on and jumped the gun.
>
> Ed, along with the rest of the Board have been working very hard and meeting weekly since the first week of January to
> make improvements in the way we vote as members, so give him a little slack. We just finished the verbiage last night
> and he was excited to get the word out.
>
> I will share with all of you that part of the reason I ran for Vice President of POCA was to improve many of the things about POCA and the way
> business has been done in the past. The past Board election was a mess and very unfair to both Mike Drew and Mike Haney given
> all they wanted to do was serve the POCA members.
>
> I am sure you all remember how nasty things got regarding: if we could or couldn't vote by email. As it turns out, and this is after paying an attorney
> for a legal analysis, we as a California Non-Profit Corporation ( 501(c)(7) CANNOT vote by email. However, the good news is that California has recently
> allowed that the " electronic transmission" of votes, especially when using a voting service capable of the electronic transmission of vote ballots... IS legal!
> The only other proposed change in the by-Laws is to clean up one word in paragraph one, Article X, so that the two paragraphs don't contradict each
> other. That's it.
>
> All of you will be getting this ballot in the March newsletter and will have 30 days to discuss and vote on it. I hope you can see that the POCA Board has tried
> hard to answer your calls for us to do something. Here it is and I encourage you to vote "YES" since this is for you the members.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Mike Burnett
> VP, POCA
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: marshall smith <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
> To: Bill Moore <bill at incendium.com>; Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com>; John Buckman <jb841 at cox.net>; Mike Burnett <mbglobalsc at aol.com>; Jeff Detrich <jjd1010 at aol.com>; Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>; Leslie Gray <tipo874a at msn.com>; Judy McCartney <jpoca2 at hotmail.com>; Bob Reid <RREIDCPA at aol.com>
> Cc: San Diego Panteras <sdpanteras at googlegroups.com>; detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>; Bill Hohnhorst <whohnhorst at cox.net>; Jim Nowlin <flyersnest at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Tue, Feb 10, 2015 2:11 pm
> Subject: Re: [SDP] Re: [DeTomaso] Extremely Important Vote for POCA
>
> Hey Ed...
> I received the failure notice (below) when I responded to your email. Why can
> 'you' post to this forum but we can't?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Marshall
>
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> Forwarded Message: Re: [SDP] Re: [DeTomaso] Extremely Important Vote for POCA
> Re: [SDP] Re: [DeTomaso] Extremely Important Vote for POCA
> --------------------------------------------
> On Tue, 2/10/15, marshall smith <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net <mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [SDP] Re: [DeTomaso] Extremely Important Vote for POCA
> To: "Bill Moore" <bill at incendium.com <mailto:bill at incendium.com>>, "Ed Mendez" <edducati at mac.com <mailto:edducati at mac.com>>
> Cc: "San Diego Panteras" <sdpanteras at googlegroups.com <mailto:sdpanteras at googlegroups.com>>, "detomaso at poca.com <mailto:detomaso at poca.com>"
> <detomaso at poca.com <mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>
> Date: Tuesday, February 10, 2015, 1:47 PM
>
> Hey Ed,
> It also seems to me this request should include
> some input from several members of the POCA board if not all
> the directors. Don't you agree?
>
> Changing bylaws should never be passed off as
> legal mumbo jumbo. Perhaps our founders (POCA) felt that
> changing the bylaws 'should' be made by a majority
> of the club members to avoid the board from running amok.
> There certainly has been a fairly large number of
> 'incidents' caused by our POCA board in the last
> year. The loss of 108 POCA members just last year would tend
> to indicate there is a disconnect between our board and our
> members. And now we're asked to vote to change our
> bylaws with no board member's input other than your
> own.
>
> My FIRST suggestion to
> you is that you send out a copy of this "Article
> 10" to our members to let them form their own opinion
> BEFORE you ask them to change the wording. I have read this
> section and I'm not sure it reads the way you have
> portrayed it to read. Perhaps easing into this issue would
> be the reasonable and prudent action to take at this time. I
> would also ask you at this time what 'other' changes
> to the bylaws is the board considering.
>
> It seems like I am always on the receiving end
> of you trying to persuade me to do something Ed. Perhaps
> input from more of your board members wouldn't make it
> feel so questionable.
>
> Marshall Smith
>
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Tue, 2/10/15, Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com <mailto:edducati at mac.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Subject: [SDP] Re:
> [DeTomaso] Extremely Important Vote for POCA
> To: "Bill Moore" <bill at incendium.com <mailto:bill at incendium.com>>
> Cc: "San Diego Panteras" <sdpanteras at googlegroups.com <mailto:sdpanteras at googlegroups.com>>,
> "detomaso at poca.com <mailto:detomaso at poca.com>"
> <detomaso at poca.com <mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>
> Date: Tuesday, February 10, 2015, 1:01 PM
>
> I'm
> the
> PR person. :-) I've got his full backing.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone 5
> On Feb
> 10, 2015, at 12:56, Bill Moore <bill at incendium.com <mailto:bill at incendium.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Ed,
> it seems to me
> this communication should be
> coming from the President,
> John.
>
>
> Cheers,
> Bill MooreIncendium SupplyCalgary
>
> -------- Original message
> --------From: Ed
> Mendez Date:2015-02-10
> 12:54 PM (GMT-07:00)
> To: San Diego
> Panteras ,detomaso at poca.com <mailto:detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Extremely Important Vote
> for
> POCA
> Hi All,
>
> The POCA board has gone to
> great lengths to change this one
> section of
> the bylaws; it's called article 10. The
>
> change will make it easier for ALL POCA members to
> vote in the future and Allow electronic
> voting! Yeah!
>
> The way the
> by-laws read now, you have to have a majority of
> votes by POCA members in good standing, that
> means to change
> anything now we need 500+
> votes, but with this new article
> 10 not
> only will it allow electronic voting, but future
> votes will be by POCA members as a majority of
> votes cast.
>
> Yes a lot of
> legal mumbo jumbo but we are a California based
> non profit corp. So this change needs to be
> implemented and
> put forth to the membership
> to pass. That's you guys.
>
> The important part, we need everyone to vote
> to get the now
> required 500+ votes for this
> to pass. The exact wording and
> voting
> ballot will be in the March Newsletter and we need to
> get the vote out!!!
>
> What will happen if this does not pass?
>
> Things are not going to be
> able to be changed very easily;
> as in
> updating the
> By-laws from its dinosaurus
> state, or at all to make things
> better for
> YOU, the members.
>
> So I
> urge everyone to please vote.
>
> Any questions please ask.
>
> I hope I have explained this well enough, the
> biggest thing
> is that this is for all of
> you and a first step in making
> this a
> better club.
>
> Kind
> regards,
>
> Ed
>
>
> Sent
> from my iPhone 5
>
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To: [1]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net, [2]bill at incendium.com,
[3]edducati at mac.com, [4]jb841 at cox.net, [5]jjd1010 at aol.com,
[6]mikeldrew at aol.com, [7]tipo874a at msn.com, [8]jpoca2 at hotmail.com,
[9]RREIDCPA at aol.com, [10]jderyke at aol.com
Subject: Re: [SDP] Re: [DeTomaso] Extremely Important Vote for POCA
From: mbglobalsc via SDPANTERAS <[11]sdpanteras at googlegroups.com>
Cc: [12]sdpanteras at googlegroups.com, [13]detomaso at poca.com,
[14]whohnhorst at cox.net, [15]flyersnest at yahoo.com
Date: February 10, 2015 at 15:43:26 PST
Reply-To: [16]mbglobalsc at aol.com
Hi Marshall,
I just read your email to Ed Mendez and have to say you are correct in
that the announcement about the upcoming POCA
vote, should have been made by the POCA Board. Ed was trying to help
out, but didn't get the narrative right about what
is going on and jumped the gun.
Ed, along with the rest of the Board have been working very hard
and meeting weekly since the first week of January to
make improvements in the way we vote as members, so give him a little
slack. We just finished the verbiage last night
and he was excited to get the word out.
I will share with all of you that part of the reason I ran for Vice
President of POCA was to improve many of the things about POCA and the
way
business has been done in the past. The past Board election was a mess
and very unfair to both Mike Drew and Mike Haney given
all they wanted to do was serve the POCA members.
I am sure you all remember how nasty things got regarding: if we could
or couldn't vote by email. As it turns out, and this is after paying an
attorney
for a legal analysis, we as a California Non-Profit Corporation (
501(c)(7) CANNOT vote by email. However, the good news is that
California has recently
allowed that the " electronic transmission" of votes, especially when
using a voting service capable of the electronic transmission of vote
ballots... IS legal!
The only other proposed change in the by-Laws is to clean up one word
in paragraph one, Article X, so that the two paragraphs don't
contradict each
other. That's it.
All of you will be getting this ballot in the March newsletter and will
have 30 days to discuss and vote on it. I hope you can see that the
POCA Board has tried
hard to answer your calls for us to do something. Here it is and I
encourage you to vote "YES" since this is for you the members.
Respectfully,
Mike Burnett
VP, POCA
-----Original Message-----
From: marshall smith <[17]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
To: Bill Moore <[18]bill at incendium.com>; Ed Mendez
<[19]edducati at mac.com>; John Buckman <[20]jb841 at cox.net>; Mike Burnett
<[21]mbglobalsc at aol.com>; Jeff Detrich <[22]jjd1010 at aol.com>; Mike Drew
<[23]mikeldrew at aol.com>; Leslie Gray <[24]tipo874a at msn.com>; Judy
McCartney <[25]jpoca2 at hotmail.com>; Bob Reid <[26]RREIDCPA at aol.com>
Cc: San Diego Panteras <[27]sdpanteras at googlegroups.com>; detomaso
<[28]detomaso at poca.com>; Bill Hohnhorst <[29]whohnhorst at cox.net>; Jim
Nowlin <[30]flyersnest at yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, Feb 10, 2015 2:11 pm
Subject: Re: [SDP] Re: [DeTomaso] Extremely Important Vote for POCA
Hey Ed...
I received the failure notice (below) when I responded to your email. Why can
'you' post to this forum but we can't?
Thanks!
Marshall
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Re: [SDP] Re: [DeTomaso] Extremely Important Vote for POCA
--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 2/10/15, marshall smith <[32]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Subject: Re: [SDP] Re: [DeTomaso] Extremely Important Vote for POCA
To: "Bill Moore" <[33]bill at incendium.com>, "Ed Mendez" <[34]edducati at mac.com>
Cc: "San Diego Panteras" <[35]sdpanteras at googlegroups.com>, "[36]detomaso at poca.
com"
<[37]detomaso at poca.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 10, 2015, 1:47 PM
Hey Ed,
It also seems to me this request should include
some input from several members of the POCA board if not all
the directors. Don't you agree?
Changing bylaws should never be passed off as
legal mumbo jumbo. Perhaps our founders (POCA) felt that
changing the bylaws 'should' be made by a majority
of the club members to avoid the board from running amok.
There certainly has been a fairly large number of
'incidents' caused by our POCA board in the last
year. The loss of 108 POCA members just last year would tend
to indicate there is a disconnect between our board and our
members. And now we're asked to vote to change our
bylaws with no board member's input other than your
own.
My FIRST suggestion to
you is that you send out a copy of this "Article
10" to our members to let them form their own opinion
BEFORE you ask them to change the wording. I have read this
section and I'm not sure it reads the way you have
portrayed it to read. Perhaps easing into this issue would
be the reasonable and prudent action to take at this time. I
would also ask you at this time what 'other' changes
to the bylaws is the board considering.
It seems like I am always on the receiving end
of you trying to persuade me to do something Ed. Perhaps
input from more of your board members wouldn't make it
feel so questionable.
Marshall Smith
--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 2/10/15, Ed Mendez <[38]edducati at mac.com>
wrote:
Subject: [SDP] Re:
[DeTomaso] Extremely Important Vote for POCA
To: "Bill Moore" <[39]bill at incendium.com>
Cc: "San Diego Panteras" <[40]sdpanteras at googlegroups.com>,
"[41]detomaso at poca.com"
<[42]detomaso at poca.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 10, 2015, 1:01 PM
I'm
the
PR person. :-) I've got his full backing.
Sent from my iPhone 5
On Feb
10, 2015, at 12:56, Bill Moore <[43]bill at incendium.com>
wrote:
Ed,
it seems to me
this communication should be
coming from the President,
John.
Cheers,
Bill MooreIncendium SupplyCalgary
-------- Original message
--------From: Ed
Mendez Date:2015-02-10
12:54 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: San Diego
Panteras ,[44]detomaso at poca.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Extremely Important Vote
for
POCA
Hi All,
The POCA board has gone to
great lengths to change this one
section of
the bylaws; it's called article 10. The
change will make it easier for ALL POCA members to
vote in the future and Allow electronic
voting! Yeah!
The way the
by-laws read now, you have to have a majority of
votes by POCA members in good standing, that
means to change
anything now we need 500+
votes, but with this new article
10 not
only will it allow electronic voting, but future
votes will be by POCA members as a majority of
votes cast.
Yes a lot of
legal mumbo jumbo but we are a California based
non profit corp. So this change needs to be
implemented and
put forth to the membership
to pass. That's you guys.
The important part, we need everyone to vote
to get the now
required 500+ votes for this
to pass. The exact wording and
voting
ballot will be in the March Newsletter and we need to
get the vote out!!!
What will happen if this does not pass?
Things are not going to be
able to be changed very easily;
as in
updating the
By-laws from its dinosaurus
state, or at all to make things
better for
YOU, the members.
So I
urge everyone to please vote.
Any questions please ask.
I hope I have explained this well enough, the
biggest thing
is that this is for all of
you and a first step in making
this a
better club.
Kind
regards,
Ed
Sent
from my iPhone 5
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