[DeTomaso] Total Heresy- Ecoboost V6?

mark skwarek ehpantera at yahoo.com
Sun Dec 27 21:33:53 EST 2015


I've had a Noble M400 3.5 Duratec engine with 425HP and 390 torque. 3.3 sec.  to 60 and 12 sec to 120. After 120 my Pantera just walks away. I can't speak for the Ecoboost engine. 
I'll keep my Pantera thank you.
Mark 

    On Sunday, December 27, 2015 9:06 PM, Michael Shortt <michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:
 

   150 savings on engine alone, CF doors, hood and Decklid would be close,
  if not over 50 lbs.A  Brakes are lighter, frame stiffening adds some
  weight.

  I recently removed my metal corner marker bezels and replaced them with
  plastic, beleive it or not, it was 3.5 lbs lighter.

  Lose the trunk tub -12 lbs, go to an aluminum radiator -15 lbs.A  Lose
  the shifter gate for a leather boot - 1 lb.
  Add 5 point belts + 4 lbs.

  I think 200 lbs is do-able

  Michael

  On Dec 27, 2015 8:53 PM, "Corey Price" <[1]coreyjprice at gmail.com>
  wrote:

  Michael,
  Well, I think all of what you're asking could be accomplished except
  for the dropping 200 lbs part.A  The Ecoboost with turbos, etc. weighs
  400 lbs and a full iron Cleveland is in the 550 lb range. A
  The 6-speed is the tricky part but I have an ace up my sleeve for that
  one.A  Once again, heresy but the Ecoboost might help get a 6-spd in
  the car with minimal changes to the sheetmetal.A  Currently I don't
  know of a 6-spd that will fit in the Pantera without sheetmetal work at
  the back end.
  All it takes is the financing!!! (I'd let my Pantera be the guinea pig
  since I have a Cleveland and a ZF that I can always swap back to).
  Corey

  On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 6:26 PM, Michael Shortt
  <[2]michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:

    I think...

    It would be a great experiment if somebody would be the first and IF
    you can drop 200 lbs AND add 600 hp at the wheels,
    It would not be the last one built.A  Add a 6th gear, CV Halfshafts
    and 18/19 wheels, 6 piston Brembos, stiffen everything. CF hood,
    Doors, Decklid, drop it an inch.

    Winner.

    Michael Shortt

  On Dec 27, 2015 8:19 PM, "Corey Price" <[3]coreyjprice at gmail.com>
  wrote:

    A  A To those who cringe at the slightest modification that changes
    some
    A  A aspect of the Pantera: Stop Reading Now. I have my flame suit
    on soA
    A  A How about putting the Ecoboost 3.5L V6 in the Pantera?AA  Ford
    just
    A  A released a controls pack for the Ecoboost V6.AA  Yes, I'm sure
    there
    A  A will be hurdles, just like the Coyote. The twin turbos really
    help at
    A  A high altitude, such as where I'm from.AA  The torque and power
    under the
    A  A curve is where the Ecoboost excels.AA  More power under the
    curve =
    A  A better acceleration.AA  I've noticed that just tuning the
    Ecoboost can
    A  A push horsepower above 400 but the torque is amazing for such a
    small
    A  A motor.AA  Throw in some bigger turbos and better exhaust
    manifolds and
    A  A you're in the 600 hp range quickly.A
    A  A While looking for a truck to replace my previous Ford, I drove
    a few
    A  A F150's with the Ecoboost and was always impressed with the
    power!A
    A  A I've also driven the Taurus SHO with the engine and I was left
    A  A impressed.AA  It says a lot that the new Ford GT and Raptor
    pickups will
    A  A be powered by this engine.
    A  A It definitely goes against one of the Pantera's core concepts
    of a big
    A  A V8 in a small car. I'm not saying that I think everyone should
    convert
    A  A their cars to the latest engine.AA  I like the Coyote engine a
    lot and
    A  A have thought long and hard about swapping to that engine.AA  I
    like the
    A  A Cleveland, no doubt, but I like new technology just as much.
    A  A Just thinking as usual.
    A  A Corey
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   I've had a Noble M400 3.5 Duratec engine with 425HP and 390 torque. 3.3
   sec.  to 60 and 12 sec to 120. After 120 my Pantera just walks away. I
   can't speak for the Ecoboost engine.
   I'll keep my Pantera thank you.
   Mark
   On Sunday, December 27, 2015 9:06 PM, Michael Shortt
   <michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:
     150 savings on engine alone, CF doors, hood and Decklid would be
   close,
     if not over 50 lbs.A  Brakes are lighter, frame stiffening adds some
     weight.
     I recently removed my metal corner marker bezels and replaced them
   with
     plastic, beleive it or not, it was 3.5 lbs lighter.
     Lose the trunk tub -12 lbs, go to an aluminum radiator -15 lbs.A
   Lose
     the shifter gate for a leather boot - 1 lb.
     Add 5 point belts + 4 lbs.
     I think 200 lbs is do-able
     Michael
     On Dec 27, 2015 8:53 PM, "Corey Price" <[1][1]coreyjprice at gmail.com>
     wrote:
     Michael,
     Well, I think all of what you're asking could be accomplished except
     for the dropping 200 lbs part.A  The Ecoboost with turbos, etc.
   weighs
     400 lbs and a full iron Cleveland is in the 550 lb range. A
     The 6-speed is the tricky part but I have an ace up my sleeve for
   that
     one.A  Once again, heresy but the Ecoboost might help get a 6-spd in
     the car with minimal changes to the sheetmetal.A  Currently I don't
     know of a 6-spd that will fit in the Pantera without sheetmetal work
   at
     the back end.
     All it takes is the financing!!! (I'd let my Pantera be the guinea
   pig
     since I have a Cleveland and a ZF that I can always swap back to).
     Corey
     On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 6:26 PM, Michael Shortt
     <[2][2]michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:
       I think...
       It would be a great experiment if somebody would be the first and
   IF
       you can drop 200 lbs AND add 600 hp at the wheels,
       It would not be the last one built.A  Add a 6th gear, CV Halfshafts
       and 18/19 wheels, 6 piston Brembos, stiffen everything. CF hood,
       Doors, Decklid, drop it an inch.
       Winner.
       Michael Shortt
     On Dec 27, 2015 8:19 PM, "Corey Price" <[3][3]coreyjprice at gmail.com>
     wrote:
       A  A To those who cringe at the slightest modification that changes
       some
       A  A aspect of the Pantera: Stop Reading Now. I have my flame suit
       on soA
       A  A How about putting the Ecoboost 3.5L V6 in the Pantera?AA  Ford
       just
       A  A released a controls pack for the Ecoboost V6.AA  Yes, I'm sure
       there
       A  A will be hurdles, just like the Coyote. The twin turbos really
       help at
       A  A high altitude, such as where I'm from.AA  The torque and power
       under the
       A  A curve is where the Ecoboost excels.AA  More power under the
       curve =
       A  A better acceleration.AA  I've noticed that just tuning the
       Ecoboost can
       A  A push horsepower above 400 but the torque is amazing for such a
       small
       A  A motor.AA  Throw in some bigger turbos and better exhaust
       manifolds and
       A  A you're in the 600 hp range quickly.A
       A  A While looking for a truck to replace my previous Ford, I drove
       a few
       A  A F150's with the Ecoboost and was always impressed with the
       power!A
       A  A I've also driven the Taurus SHO with the engine and I was left
       A  A impressed.AA  It says a lot that the new Ford GT and Raptor
       pickups will
       A  A be powered by this engine.
       A  A It definitely goes against one of the Pantera's core concepts
       of a big
       A  A V8 in a small car. I'm not saying that I think everyone should
       convert
       A  A their cars to the latest engine.AA  I like the Coyote engine a
       lot and
       A  A have thought long and hard about swapping to that engine.AA  I
       like the
       A  A Cleveland, no doubt, but I like new technology just as much.
       A  A Just thinking as usual.
       A  A Corey
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