[DeTomaso] Total Heresy- Ecoboost V6?

Michael Shortt michaelsavga at gmail.com
Sun Dec 27 21:05:53 EST 2015


150 savings on engine alone, CF doors, hood and Decklid would be close, if
not over 50 lbs.  Brakes are lighter, frame stiffening adds some weight.

I recently removed my metal corner marker bezels and replaced them with
plastic, beleive it or not, it was 3.5 lbs lighter.

Lose the trunk tub -12 lbs, go to an aluminum radiator -15 lbs.  Lose the
shifter gate for a leather boot - 1 lb.
Add 5 point belts + 4 lbs.

I think 200 lbs is do-able

Michael
On Dec 27, 2015 8:53 PM, "Corey Price" <coreyjprice at gmail.com> wrote:

> Michael,
>
> Well, I think all of what you're asking could be accomplished except for
> the dropping 200 lbs part.  The Ecoboost with turbos, etc. weighs 400 lbs
> and a full iron Cleveland is in the 550 lb range.
>
> The 6-speed is the tricky part but I have an ace up my sleeve for that
> one.  Once again, heresy but the Ecoboost might help get a 6-spd in the car
> with minimal changes to the sheetmetal.  Currently I don't know of a 6-spd
> that will fit in the Pantera without sheetmetal work at the back end.
>
> All it takes is the financing!!! (I'd let my Pantera be the guinea pig
> since I have a Cleveland and a ZF that I can always swap back to).
>
> Corey
>
> On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 6:26 PM, Michael Shortt <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I think...
>>
>> It would be a great experiment if somebody would be the first and IF you
>> can drop 200 lbs AND add 600 hp at the wheels,
>> It would not be the last one built.  Add a 6th gear, CV Halfshafts and
>> 18/19 wheels, 6 piston Brembos, stiffen everything. CF hood, Doors,
>> Decklid, drop it an inch.
>>
>> Winner.
>>
>> Michael Shortt
>> On Dec 27, 2015 8:19 PM, "Corey Price" <coreyjprice at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>    To those who cringe at the slightest modification that changes some
>>>    aspect of the Pantera: Stop Reading Now. I have my flame suit on soA
>>>    How about putting the Ecoboost 3.5L V6 in the Pantera?A  Ford just
>>>    released a controls pack for the Ecoboost V6.A  Yes, I'm sure there
>>>    will be hurdles, just like the Coyote. The twin turbos really help at
>>>    high altitude, such as where I'm from.A  The torque and power under
>>> the
>>>    curve is where the Ecoboost excels.A  More power under the curve =
>>>    better acceleration.A  I've noticed that just tuning the Ecoboost can
>>>    push horsepower above 400 but the torque is amazing for such a small
>>>    motor.A  Throw in some bigger turbos and better exhaust manifolds and
>>>    you're in the 600 hp range quickly.A
>>>    While looking for a truck to replace my previous Ford, I drove a few
>>>    F150's with the Ecoboost and was always impressed with the power!A
>>>    I've also driven the Taurus SHO with the engine and I was left
>>>    impressed.A  It says a lot that the new Ford GT and Raptor pickups
>>> will
>>>    be powered by this engine.
>>>    It definitely goes against one of the Pantera's core concepts of a big
>>>    V8 in a small car. I'm not saying that I think everyone should convert
>>>    their cars to the latest engine.A  I like the Coyote engine a lot and
>>>    have thought long and hard about swapping to that engine.A  I like the
>>>    Cleveland, no doubt, but I like new technology just as much.
>>>    Just thinking as usual.
>>>    Corey
>>>
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   150 savings on engine alone, CF doors, hood and Decklid would be close,
   if not over 50 lbs.A  Brakes are lighter, frame stiffening adds some
   weight.

   I recently removed my metal corner marker bezels and replaced them with
   plastic, beleive it or not, it was 3.5 lbs lighter.

   Lose the trunk tub -12 lbs, go to an aluminum radiator -15 lbs.A  Lose
   the shifter gate for a leather boot - 1 lb.
   Add 5 point belts + 4 lbs.

   I think 200 lbs is do-able

   Michael

   On Dec 27, 2015 8:53 PM, "Corey Price" <[1]coreyjprice at gmail.com>
   wrote:

   Michael,
   Well, I think all of what you're asking could be accomplished except
   for the dropping 200 lbs part.A  The Ecoboost with turbos, etc. weighs
   400 lbs and a full iron Cleveland is in the 550 lb range. A
   The 6-speed is the tricky part but I have an ace up my sleeve for that
   one.A  Once again, heresy but the Ecoboost might help get a 6-spd in
   the car with minimal changes to the sheetmetal.A  Currently I don't
   know of a 6-spd that will fit in the Pantera without sheetmetal work at
   the back end.
   All it takes is the financing!!! (I'd let my Pantera be the guinea pig
   since I have a Cleveland and a ZF that I can always swap back to).
   Corey

   On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 6:26 PM, Michael Shortt
   <[2]michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:

     I think...

     It would be a great experiment if somebody would be the first and IF
     you can drop 200 lbs AND add 600 hp at the wheels,
     It would not be the last one built.A  Add a 6th gear, CV Halfshafts
     and 18/19 wheels, 6 piston Brembos, stiffen everything. CF hood,
     Doors, Decklid, drop it an inch.

     Winner.

     Michael Shortt

   On Dec 27, 2015 8:19 PM, "Corey Price" <[3]coreyjprice at gmail.com>
   wrote:

     A  A To those who cringe at the slightest modification that changes
     some
     A  A aspect of the Pantera: Stop Reading Now. I have my flame suit
     on soA
     A  A How about putting the Ecoboost 3.5L V6 in the Pantera?AA  Ford
     just
     A  A released a controls pack for the Ecoboost V6.AA  Yes, I'm sure
     there
     A  A will be hurdles, just like the Coyote. The twin turbos really
     help at
     A  A high altitude, such as where I'm from.AA  The torque and power
     under the
     A  A curve is where the Ecoboost excels.AA  More power under the
     curve =
     A  A better acceleration.AA  I've noticed that just tuning the
     Ecoboost can
     A  A push horsepower above 400 but the torque is amazing for such a
     small
     A  A motor.AA  Throw in some bigger turbos and better exhaust
     manifolds and
     A  A you're in the 600 hp range quickly.A
     A  A While looking for a truck to replace my previous Ford, I drove
     a few
     A  A F150's with the Ecoboost and was always impressed with the
     power!A
     A  A I've also driven the Taurus SHO with the engine and I was left
     A  A impressed.AA  It says a lot that the new Ford GT and Raptor
     pickups will
     A  A be powered by this engine.
     A  A It definitely goes against one of the Pantera's core concepts
     of a big
     A  A V8 in a small car. I'm not saying that I think everyone should
     convert
     A  A their cars to the latest engine.AA  I like the Coyote engine a
     lot and
     A  A have thought long and hard about swapping to that engine.AA  I
     like the
     A  A Cleveland, no doubt, but I like new technology just as much.
     A  A Just thinking as usual.
     A  A Corey
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