[DeTomaso] ZF polishing
B Hower
b.hower3400 at yahoo.com
Wed Dec 23 07:03:50 EST 2015
How about a Depends padded tray bolted to bottom of ZF .....under axle seal with a 270 shield above to keep oil from leaking seal being thrown and dripping from rear cross member. Some people will do anything to be able to run and open road event!!
Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! )
From: Mike Thomas <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
To: 'marshall smith' <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>; 'B Hower' <b.hower3400 at yahoo.com>; 'Charles McCall' <charlesmccall at gmail.com>; 'Cullen McCann' <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>; 'Michael Shortt' <michaelsavga at gmail.com>; 'LS' <lashdeep at yahoo.com>
Cc: 'Mike Drew' <MikeLDrew at aol.com>; 'DeTomaso Forum' <detomaso at poca.com>; ace595 at hotmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 7:31 PM
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] ZF polishing
Um, that's what drip pans are for . . . ? Just don't go the Khris Kimball Cookie-Sheet-with-a-piece-of-old-carpet-car-diaper route. Denny Finn would be glad to tell you how that worked . . .
Mike Thomas
Pres., Panteras Northwest
Yellow ’74 #6328
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From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of marshall smith
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 3:32 PM
To: B Hower <b.hower3400 at yahoo.com>; marshall smith <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>; Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>; 'Cullen McCann' <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>; 'Michael Shortt' <michaelsavga at gmail.com>; LS <lashdeep at yahoo.com>
Cc: 'Mike Drew' <MikeLDrew at aol.com>; 'DeTomaso Forum' <detomaso at poca.com>; ace595 at hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZF polishing
Although I can't see my ZF...I know its there because it always leaves its signature on my garage floor.
--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 12/22/15, LS <lashdeep at yahoo.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZF polishing
To: "B Hower" <b.hower3400 at yahoo.com>, "marshall smith" <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>, "Charles McCall" <charlesmccall at gmail.com>, "'Cullen McCann'" <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>, "'Michael Shortt'" <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
Cc: "'Mike Drew'" <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, "'DeTomaso Forum'" <detomaso at poca.com>, "ace595 at hotmail.com" <ace595 at hotmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, December 22, 2015, 3:26 PM
Yes!
I put 250
mi on my car last weekend and never needed to see the ZF even once.
LSJ
central
wines-spirits
est 1934
625
e street nw
washington,
dc 20004
centralwines.com
facebook.com/CentralLiquors
202-737-2800
From: B Hower
<b.hower3400 at yahoo.com>
To: marshall smith
<marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>; Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>; 'Cullen McCann'
<cmccann1972 at gmail.com>; 'Michael Shortt'
<michaelsavga at gmail.com>; LS
<lashdeep at yahoo.com>
Cc: 'Mike Drew'
<MikeLDrew at aol.com>; 'DeTomaso Forum'
<detomaso at poca.com>; "ace595 at hotmail.com"
<ace595 at hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December
22, 2015 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso]
ZF polishing
If you
can see the ZF you are staying too close to home........put it on the road.
Bud #3400
( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! )
From: marshall smith
<marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
To: Charles
McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>; 'Cullen McCann' <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>; 'Michael Shortt' <michaelsavga at gmail.com>; LS <lashdeep at yahoo.com>
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<MikeLDrew at aol.com>; 'DeTomaso Forum'
<detomaso at poca.com>; "ace595 at hotmail.com"
<ace595 at hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December
22, 2015 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso]
ZF polishing
That's funny....that's how mine looks
too!
--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 12/22/15, LS via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
wrote:
Subject: Re:
[DeTomaso] ZF polishing
To: "Charles
McCall" <charlesmccall at gmail.com>,
"'Cullen McCann'" <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>, "'Michael Shortt'" <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
Cc: "'Mike Drew'" <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, "'DeTomaso Forum'" <detomaso at poca.com>, "ace595 at hotmail.com"
<ace595 at hotmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, December 22, 2015, 8:50 AM
How are you guys
even noticing what your ZF looks like?
All, I can see is trunk carpeting...
LSJ
central
wines-spirits est
1934
625 e street nw
washington, dc 20004
[1]centralwines.com
[2]facebook.com/CentralLiquors
202-737-2800
__________________________________________________________________
From: Charles McCall
<charlesmccall at gmail.com>
To: 'Cullen McCann' <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>;
'Michael Shortt'
<michaelsavga at gmail.com>
Cc: 'Mike Drew' <MikeLDrew at aol.com>;
'DeTomaso Forum'
<detomaso at poca.com>;
ace595 at hotmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZF
polishing
As a poor man's
solution, there exists a
tube of
silver-colored paste
that was
recommended on the Forum a few
years ago. I
bought a tube at
the time and it
cleaned up the ZF quite a
bit. I can see
what the tube
looks like but
don't remember what the
name was.
It doesn't look like a
professionally
polished ZF case, but it
looks a
lot better than stock. And if
you drive
your Pantera any distance, or
in the rain, it's probably more
practical
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On Behalf Of
Cullen
McCann
Sent: martes, 22 de diciembre
de 2015
16:45
To:
Michael Shortt
Cc: Mike Drew;
DeTomaso Forum; [4]ace595 at hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZF polishing
Michael, you mentioned the aluminum jelly
through amazon... my ZF is in
good working order, but the PO painted it
black and now the paint is
flaking off. Id like the case to be
natural aluminum, not polished or
painted. I also don't want to
disassemble
the ZF, but it is out of the
car
right now.
I've heard that 3M makes some
stripping
products that are
gentle
enough that the ZF rebuilders use
them
with good results, that are safe
for
the ZF
case.
I can of course test it on
an
inconspicuous area but would this
aluminum
jelly be
the right product for my
application?
Cullen
Yukon,
OK
On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 5:50 AM,
Michael
Shortt
<[5]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
Cleaning the case is
best done with a
degreaser first, then either
>
Aluminum Jelly ( amazon
sells it ) be
careful getting it on any
>
anodized parts, it will
discolor them. I
fonishing touch is a
>
specialized acidic Wheel
cleaner.
> I have had great success
with Eagle One for Mag Wheels that are
porous
>
and unpolished.
> After this
three step
treatment and a little brush
action, your ZF
will
> look almost white.
> Then spray it with
WD40.
>
>
Michael Shortt
>
> On Dec 22, 2015 12:20
AM,
"Mike Drew via DeTomaso"
> <[1][6]detomaso at poca.com>
wrote:
>
> A A In a
message dated 12/21/15 11:44:19 AM,
[2][7]ace595 at hotmail.com
> writes:
> A A A
?ZF
polishing
> A A A
Can anyone give me the approx cost of having my ZF
polished?
> A A A
Is there
someone in the northeast
>
A A A
That does this
> A A A
Thanks
> A A Tom,
> A A It's
horrendously expensive, because it's normally only
done at
>
the
> A A same
time that the gearbox is being rebuilt.A As far as I
> know, those
> A A who
specialize in such things will not consider polishing a
> complete
> A A
gearbox, although
I don't know the specific reason for
this.
> A A
Instead, while you're getting your $5000 gearbox overhaul,
if
> you want
>
A A to
spend an extra $1500 or so,
they will arrange to have
the
> bare cases
> A A
polished.A
It's something that is normally
subcontracted
out;
> the
>
A A pieces
are either given to a
polishing company, or the shop
>
hires a
> A A
temporary worker who does it on-site.A It's a very
>
time-consuming
> A A
thing,
taking many, many hours to do
properly.
> A A I
don't
know of anybody doing ZF work in
the northeast; Guy
>
Trigaux in
> A A
Simpsonville, SC is the nearest ZF expert to you, I think.A
> He's
not
> A A much
for unnecessary bling, and he may not offer polishing
> service.
> A A In
short, if your gearbox was falling apart and needed to
be
>
rebuilt,
> A A
polishing is something you might consider while you're at
it,
> but I
> A A would
never
advocate taking apart a good gearbox just to
shine
>
it up.
> A A It
takes a LOT of maintenance to keep it looking decent; if
you
> are
>
A A going
to drive your car at all
(especially in the northeast
>
where the
> A A
climate
is often far from ideal), I'd
urge you to just
leave it
> alone.
> A A Lloyd
Butfoy
advocates cleaning the case, then spraying it
with
>
WD-40
> A A which
both makes it look good, and is easy to clean when it
> gets dirty.
> A A Mike
>
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How about a Depends padded tray bolted to bottom of ZF .....under axle
seal with a 270 shield above to keep oil from leaking seal being thrown
and dripping from rear cross member. Some people will do anything to be
able to run and open road event!!
Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be
! )
__________________________________________________________________
From: Mike Thomas <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
To: 'marshall smith' <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>; 'B Hower'
<b.hower3400 at yahoo.com>; 'Charles McCall' <charlesmccall at gmail.com>;
'Cullen McCann' <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>; 'Michael Shortt'
<michaelsavga at gmail.com>; 'LS' <lashdeep at yahoo.com>
Cc: 'Mike Drew' <MikeLDrew at aol.com>; 'DeTomaso Forum'
<detomaso at poca.com>; ace595 at hotmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 7:31 PM
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] ZF polishing
Um, that's what drip pans are for . . . ? Just don't go the Khris
Kimball Cookie-Sheet-with-a-piece-of-old-carpet-car-diaper route.
Denny Finn would be glad to tell you how that worked . . .
Mike Thomas
Pres., Panteras Northwest
Yellow a74 #6328
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:[1]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
marshall smith
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 3:32 PM
To: B Hower <[2]b.hower3400 at yahoo.com>; marshall smith
<[3]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>; Charles McCall
<[4]charlesmccall at gmail.com>; 'Cullen McCann'
<[5]cmccann1972 at gmail.com>; 'Michael Shortt'
<[6]michaelsavga at gmail.com>; LS <[7]lashdeep at yahoo.com>
Cc: 'Mike Drew' <[8]MikeLDrew at aol.com>; 'DeTomaso Forum'
<[9]detomaso at poca.com>; [10]ace595 at hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZF polishing
Although I can't see my ZF...I know its there because it always leaves
its signature on my garage floor.
--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 12/22/15, LS <[11]lashdeep at yahoo.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZF polishing
To: "B Hower" <[12]b.hower3400 at yahoo.com>, "marshall smith"
<[13]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>, "Charles McCall"
<[14]charlesmccall at gmail.com>, "'Cullen McCann'"
<[15]cmccann1972 at gmail.com>, "'Michael Shortt'"
<[16]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
Cc: "'Mike Drew'" <[17]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, "'DeTomaso Forum'"
<[18]detomaso at poca.com>, "[19]ace595 at hotmail.com"
<[20]ace595 at hotmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, December 22, 2015, 3:26 PM
Yes!
I put 250
mi on my car last weekend and never needed to see the ZF even once.
LSJ
central
wines-spirits
est 1934
625
e street nw
washington,
dc 20004
centralwines.com
facebook.com/CentralLiquors
202-737-2800
From: B Hower
<[21]b.hower3400 at yahoo.com>
To: marshall smith
<[22]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>; Charles McCall
<[23]charlesmccall at gmail.com>; 'Cullen McCann'
<[24]cmccann1972 at gmail.com>; 'Michael Shortt'
<[25]michaelsavga at gmail.com>; LS
<[26]lashdeep at yahoo.com>
Cc: 'Mike Drew'
<[27]MikeLDrew at aol.com>; 'DeTomaso Forum'
<[28]detomaso at poca.com>; "[29]ace595 at hotmail.com"
<[30]ace595 at hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December
22, 2015 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso]
ZF polishing
If you
can see the ZF you are staying too close to home........put it on the
road.
Bud #3400
( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! )
From: marshall smith
<[31]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
To: Charles
McCall <[32]charlesmccall at gmail.com>; 'Cullen McCann'
<[33]cmccann1972 at gmail.com>; 'Michael Shortt'
<[34]michaelsavga at gmail.com>; LS <[35]lashdeep at yahoo.com>
Cc: 'Mike Drew'
<[36]MikeLDrew at aol.com>; 'DeTomaso Forum'
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<[39]ace595 at hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December
22, 2015 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso]
ZF polishing
That's funny....that's how mine looks
too!
--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 12/22/15, LS via DeTomaso <[40]detomaso at poca.com>
wrote:
Subject: Re:
[DeTomaso] ZF polishing
To: "Charles
McCall" <[41]charlesmccall at gmail.com>,
"'Cullen McCann'" <[42]cmccann1972 at gmail.com>, "'Michael Shortt'"
<[43]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
Cc: "'Mike Drew'" <[44]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, "'DeTomaso Forum'"
<[45]detomaso at poca.com>, "[46]ace595 at hotmail.com"
<[47]ace595 at hotmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, December 22, 2015, 8:50 AM
How are you guys
even noticing what your ZF looks like?
All, I can see is trunk carpeting...
LSJ
central
wines-spirits est
1934
625 e street nw
washington, dc 20004
[1]centralwines.com
[2]facebook.com/CentralLiquors
202-737-2800
__________________________________________________________________
From: Charles McCall
<[48]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
To: 'Cullen McCann' <[49]cmccann1972 at gmail.com>;
'Michael Shortt'
<[50]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
Cc: 'Mike Drew' <[51]MikeLDrew at aol.com>;
'DeTomaso Forum'
<[52]detomaso at poca.com>;
[53]ace595 at hotmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZF
polishing
As a poor man's
solution, there exists a
tube of
silver-colored paste
that was
recommended on the Forum a few
years ago. I
bought a tube at
the time and it
cleaned up the ZF quite a
bit. I can see
what the tube
looks like but
don't remember what the
name was.
It doesn't look like a
professionally
polished ZF case, but it
looks a
lot better than stock. And if
you drive
your Pantera any distance, or
in the rain, it's probably more
practical
-----Original
Message-----
From: DeTomaso
[mailto:[3][54]detomaso-bounces at poca.com]
On Behalf Of
Cullen
McCann
Sent: martes, 22 de diciembre
de 2015
16:45
To:
Michael Shortt
Cc: Mike Drew;
DeTomaso Forum; [4][55]ace595 at hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZF polishing
Michael, you mentioned the aluminum jelly
through amazon... my ZF is in
good working order, but the PO painted it
black and now the paint is
flaking off. Id like the case to be
natural aluminum, not polished or
painted. I also don't want to
disassemble
the ZF, but it is out of the
car
right now.
I've heard that 3M makes some
stripping
products that are
gentle
enough that the ZF rebuilders use
them
with good results, that are safe
for
the ZF
case.
I can of course test it on
an
inconspicuous area but would this
aluminum
jelly be
the right product for my
application?
Cullen
Yukon,
OK
On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 5:50 AM,
Michael
Shortt
<[5][56]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
Cleaning the case is
best done with a
degreaser first, then either
>
Aluminum Jelly ( amazon
sells it ) be
careful getting it on any
>
anodized parts, it will
discolor them. I
fonishing touch is a
>
specialized acidic Wheel
cleaner.
> I have had great success
with Eagle One for Mag Wheels that are
porous
>
and unpolished.
> After this
three step
treatment and a little brush
action, your ZF
will
> look almost white.
> Then spray it with
WD40.
>
>
Michael Shortt
>
> On Dec 22, 2015 12:20
AM,
"Mike Drew via DeTomaso"
> <[1][6][57]detomaso at poca.com>
wrote:
>
> A A In a
message dated 12/21/15 11:44:19 AM,
[2][7][58]ace595 at hotmail.com
> writes:
> A A A
?ZF
polishing
> A A A
Can anyone give me the approx cost of having my ZF
polished?
> A A A
Is there
someone in the northeast
>
A A A
That does this
> A A A
Thanks
> A A Tom,
> A A It's
horrendously expensive, because it's normally only
done at
>
the
> A A same
time that the gearbox is being rebuilt.A As far as I
> know, those
> A A who
specialize in such things will not consider polishing a
> complete
> A A
gearbox, although
I don't know the specific reason for
this.
> A A
Instead, while you're getting your $5000 gearbox overhaul,
if
> you want
>
A A to
spend an extra $1500 or so,
they will arrange to have
the
> bare cases
> A A
polished.A
It's something that is normally
subcontracted
out;
> the
>
A A pieces
are either given to a
polishing company, or the shop
>
hires a
> A A
temporary worker who does it on-site.A It's a very
>
time-consuming
> A A
thing,
taking many, many hours to do
properly.
> A A I
don't
know of anybody doing ZF work in
the northeast; Guy
>
Trigaux in
> A A
Simpsonville, SC is the nearest ZF expert to you, I think.A
> He's
not
> A A much
for unnecessary bling, and he may not offer polishing
> service.
> A A In
short, if your gearbox was falling apart and needed to
be
>
rebuilt,
> A A
polishing is something you might consider while you're at
it,
> but I
> A A would
never
advocate taking apart a good gearbox just to
shine
>
it up.
> A A It
takes a LOT of maintenance to keep it looking decent; if
you
> are
>
A A going
to drive your car at all
(especially in the northeast
>
where the
> A A
climate
is often far from ideal), I'd
urge you to just
leave it
> alone.
> A A Lloyd
Butfoy
advocates cleaning the case, then spraying it
with
>
WD-40
> A A which
both makes it look good, and is easy to clean when it
> gets dirty.
> A A Mike
>
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