[DeTomaso] Track day?
Effie Richards
erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com
Sat Dec 19 13:56:15 EST 2015
Me neither, Bill, but sometimes I have no time to read everything. I really appreciated the recap!
Sent from Effie's iPhone
> On Dec 19, 2015, at 7:57 AM, Bill Moore <bill at incendium.com> wrote:
>
> I do not recall ever hearing it (the money) explained the way John did.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Cheers,
> Bill Moore
> Incendium Supply
> Calgary
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> Date: 2015-12-19 8:43 AM (GMT-07:00)
> To: L GRAY <tipo874a at msn.com>
> Cc: DeTomaso Forum <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Track day?
> Then it appears I am guilty as charged, my apologies.
> Julian
> ________________________________________
> From: L GRAY <tipo874a at msn.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 10:07 PM
> To: Julian Kift
> Cc: John Taphorn; Jeff Detrich; Effie Richards; DeTomaso Forum
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Track day?
> Actually Julian Johns explanation has been offered several time in the
> recent past but no body wanted to listen or hear it.
> Leslie A. Gray
>>> On Dec 18, 2015, at 10:08 PM, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> John,
>>
>> Thanks for taking the time to offer explanation, the $100,000 funds
> accumulation has been mentioned a number of times without that critical
> piece of information which sheds a different light on the situation.
>>
>> Julian
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> From: John Taphorn <jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com>
>> Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 7:53 PM
>> To: Julian Kift; Jeff Detrich; Effie Richards
>> Cc: DeTomaso Forum
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Track day?
>>
>> POCA has that substantial sum in savings because the expense for
>> publishing four issues of Profiles was accrued every year.
>> Unfortunately, four issues were generally not produced. Thus, less
> was
>> actually spent on Profiles each year than accrued. While I do not
>> recall the cost of each Profiles publication, it is considerable.
>>
>> However, the Profiles editor was adamant that he would eventually
> catch
>> up be Profiles current again. Thus, the fiscally responsible action
> was
>> to ensure that adequate funding was available to meet this potential
>> liability or commitment.
>>
>> I think we could imagine the concerns expressed by members had the
>> editor produced the issues and adequate funding was unavailable
> because
>> it had been spent elsewhere. There would have been legitimate cries
> of
>> financial irresponsibility.
>>
>> In hindsight, we are all prescient and recognize that those past
>> profiles will never see the light of day. Therefore, it is a
> reasonable
>> that those funds be redirected to better use. Perhaps, dues
> reduction
>> in that everyone benefits or Rally subsidizing, etc.
>>
>> John T
>>
>>> On 12/18/2015 10:44 AM, Julian Kift wrote:
>>> Not only is it the wondrous Fun Rally 35th anniversary event in
> 2016, I believe also the 50th anniversary of the Mangusta as well as
> 45th anniversary of the Pantera, (the former will be celebrated as the
> marque for Concorso Italiano in 2016). With such momentous milestones
> maybe as a last hurrah for those poor folks who aren't going to be able
> to attend much longer POCA should invest the excess $100K funds to make
> the event free or very heavily subsidized! Watch the crowds come then!
>>>
>>> Either that or invest in a mass cemetery plot in Las Vegas so they
> will all have somewhere for a final reunion, oh wait we already got
> that it's called a hospitality suite ;-)
>>>
>>> I thought the IRS scrutinized car clubs that operated other than a
> net zero or minimal balance sheet?
>>>
>>> Julian
>>>
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of Jeff Detrich
> <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2015 8:59 PM
>>> To: Effie Richards
>>> Cc: DeTomaso Forum
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Track day?
>>>
>>> Effie,
>>>
>>> Give Mike a chance, he has a good vision of what needs to be done.
> And
>>> support him when needs your help.
>>>
>>> I urge all the Members to demand to know what goes on and to let the
> Board
>>> know what your thoughts are.
>>>
>>> BTW, you can't do the second unless you do the first first. They
> represent
>>> you. Here's an example where the BOD didn't release the right info
> so a
>>> good answer could be communicated: last year the Board asked the
> chapter
>>> presidents if they supported a dues reduction. But they did not
> share the
>>> financial information about how much money we had in the Treasury or
> what
>>> our actual operating costs were going to be. Without knowing that
> the club
>>> could be running a huge yearly surplus and had over $100,000 in
> unallocated
>>> cash, the chapter presidents said that we didn't need to reduce the
> dues.
>>> The BOD then used that to kill any talk of a dues reduction at the
> Board
>>> level. Sounds like politicians to me!
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>> 6559
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 10:32 PM, Effie Richards <
>>> erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank you, Jeff Detrich for your transparency in sharing this with
>>>> everyone.
>>>> I don't drive the Pantera, but I am a co-owner and love the car and
> the
>>>> many friends we have made over the years. However, in the last 2
> years, I
>>>> have felt something amiss within POCA. Don't anyone say it's my
>>>> imagination, please.... I have been blessed with one extra
> ordinary
>>>> "talent" only, that being seeing something clearly without it
> having been
>>>> communicated to me or discussed. This extra sense, if you wish, has
> saved
>>>> me and helped me chose good paths in life if only I listened.
>>>> There is something peculiarly uncomfortable within POCAs top guns.
>>>> I am counting on our newly elect president, Michael Shortt to
> initiate
>>>> positive change and resurrect POCA to become more democratic.
> Sharing more
>>>> than the cars' mechanical issues and information is a must in order
> to
>>>> maintain its current members and attract new ones.
>>>> Until we see some positive change ( and I will "feel" it before I
> see it),
>>>> we cannot make a decision of attending the LV rally.
>>>> I believe many others may feel the same way.
>>>> San Diego Pantera chapter was definitely not treated right by POCA
> in
>>>> 2014. That is a true fact! Never mind if some tried to deny it.
> I'm so
>>>> neutral and I saw it clearly right in front of me.
>>>> Thank you again, Jeff!
>>>> Effie Richards
>>>>
>>>> Sent from Effie's iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 17, 2015, at 7:57 PM, Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Larry Finch via DeTomaso
>>>>> <[1]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> They make all decisions for Fun Rally location, costs, events,
> etc.
>>>>> amongst themselves.
>>>>> While the Fun Rally Committee freely uses the funds of the POCA
>>>>> treasury, no Fun Rally decisions, management or expenses receive
> any
>>>>> review, nor are they subject to approval/disapproval, from the
> POCA
>>>>> Board.
>>>>> Yes, the Fun Rally process does not formally include the POCA
> board in
>>>>> any manner whatsoever. This is how it has been for many years.
>>>>> This is not in conflict with any current POCA bylaws.
>>>>>
>>>>> ___
>>>>> Once again, I am speaking up to let the Members know what really
>>>>> happens. This is clearly a problem with how the Board operates
> and it
>>>>> has got to stop. There may have been historical precedent but
> there is
>>>>> nothing in the minutes that even authorizes a Fun Rally
> Committee, much
>>>>> less authorizing them to spend any money or make commitments on
> behalf
>>>>> of the club. In fact, it is rather odd that Bob Reid made a
> commitment
>>>>> for the upcoming 2016 Fun Rally in Las Vegas without even
> telling the
>>>>> Board. He even traveled to Las Vegas to look at the hotel and
> sign
>>>>> contracts without notifying the Board, probably all on the
> club's dime.
>>>>> And if I am not mistaken, Gil Mares went with him. The Board
> should
>>>>> gotten proposals from local chapters and should have been
> involved in
>>>>> the decision but they were not. They didn't even know that he
> was doing
>>>>> anything.A
>>>>> I should note, however, that Bob and the Fun Rally Committee did
> get
>>>>> Board approval for the 2015 Fun Rally in Houston - so why not
> for this
>>>>> one? Bob wanted it at the Plaza HotelA where it used to be held.
> His
>>>>> last hurrah if you will. In that way he wouldn't have to deal
> with any
>>>>> troublesome local chapter organizing committees, wouldn't have
> to
>>>>> organize any activities or racing. Instead, we all can just sit
> around,
>>>>> drink and re-tell Pantera stories. Unfortunately, the Board of
>>>>> Directors, of which I was a part, was too weak and ineffective
> to do
>>>>> anything about it; the President wouldn't even call a meeting to
>>>>> discuss it.
>>>>> The Plaza Hotel is downtown and, as Ed Mendez, a POCA Board
> member, put
>>>>> it in an email to the Board, the Plaza is "...seedy at best,"
> among
>>>>> other criticisms. I'm not sure I'd want to go there, especially
> with my
>>>>> car.
>>>>> The Board should be transparent and should work for all the
> Members.
>>>>> I'm not sure that has always been the case. I would urge Michael
> Shortt
>>>>> to review this when he takes office. I will be sending him Ed's
> email.
>>>>> You all should do the same. They work for you.
>>>>> Jeff Detrich
>>>>> Secretary, POCA
>>>>>
>>>>> References
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
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