[DeTomaso] Track day?

Effie Richards erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com
Sat Dec 19 13:56:15 EST 2015


Me neither, Bill, but sometimes I have no time to read everything. I really appreciated the recap!

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> On Dec 19, 2015, at 7:57 AM, Bill Moore <bill at incendium.com> wrote:
> 
>   I do not recall ever hearing it (the money) explained the way John did.
> 
>   Thank you.
> 
>   Cheers,
>   Bill Moore
>   Incendium Supply
>   Calgary
> 
>   -------- Original message --------
>   From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>   Date: 2015-12-19 8:43 AM (GMT-07:00)
>   To: L GRAY <tipo874a at msn.com>
>   Cc: DeTomaso Forum <detomaso at poca.com>
>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Track day?
>   Then it appears I am guilty as charged, my apologies.
>   Julian
>   ________________________________________
>   From: L GRAY <tipo874a at msn.com>
>   Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 10:07 PM
>   To: Julian Kift
>   Cc: John Taphorn; Jeff Detrich; Effie Richards; DeTomaso Forum
>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Track day?
>   Actually Julian Johns explanation has been offered several time in the
>   recent past but no body wanted to listen or hear it.
>   Leslie A. Gray
>>> On Dec 18, 2015, at 10:08 PM, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>>   wrote:
>> 
>> John,
>> 
>> Thanks for taking the time to offer explanation, the $100,000 funds
>   accumulation has been mentioned a number of times without that critical
>   piece of information which sheds a different light on the situation.
>> 
>> Julian
>> 
>> ________________________________________
>> From: John Taphorn <jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com>
>> Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 7:53 PM
>> To: Julian Kift; Jeff Detrich; Effie Richards
>> Cc: DeTomaso Forum
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Track day?
>> 
>> POCA has that substantial sum in savings because the expense for
>> publishing four issues of Profiles was accrued every year.
>> Unfortunately, four issues were generally not produced.  Thus, less
>   was
>> actually spent on Profiles each year than accrued.  While I do not
>> recall the cost of each Profiles publication, it is considerable.
>> 
>> However, the Profiles editor was adamant that he would eventually
>   catch
>> up be Profiles current again.  Thus, the fiscally responsible action
>   was
>> to ensure that adequate funding was available to meet this potential
>> liability or commitment.
>> 
>> I think we could imagine the concerns expressed by members had the
>> editor produced the issues and adequate funding was unavailable
>   because
>> it had been spent elsewhere.  There would have been legitimate cries
>   of
>> financial irresponsibility.
>> 
>> In hindsight, we are all prescient and recognize that those past
>> profiles will never see the light of day.  Therefore, it is a
>   reasonable
>> that those funds be redirected to better use.  Perhaps, dues
>   reduction
>> in that everyone benefits or Rally subsidizing, etc.
>> 
>> John T
>> 
>>> On 12/18/2015 10:44 AM, Julian Kift wrote:
>>> Not only is it the wondrous Fun Rally 35th anniversary event in
>   2016, I believe also the 50th anniversary of the Mangusta as well as
>   45th anniversary of the Pantera, (the former will be celebrated as the
>   marque for Concorso Italiano in 2016). With such momentous milestones
>   maybe as a last hurrah for those poor folks who aren't going to be able
>   to attend much longer POCA should invest the excess $100K funds to make
>   the event free or very heavily subsidized! Watch the crowds come then!
>>> 
>>> Either that or invest in a mass cemetery plot in Las Vegas so they
>   will  all have somewhere for a final reunion, oh wait we already got
>   that it's called a hospitality suite ;-)
>>> 
>>> I thought the IRS scrutinized car clubs that operated other than a
>   net zero or minimal balance sheet?
>>> 
>>> Julian
>>> 
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of Jeff Detrich
>   <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2015 8:59 PM
>>> To: Effie Richards
>>> Cc: DeTomaso Forum
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Track day?
>>> 
>>> Effie,
>>> 
>>> Give Mike a chance, he has a good vision of what needs to be done.
>   And
>>> support him when needs your help.
>>> 
>>> I urge all the Members to demand to know what goes on and to let the
>   Board
>>> know what your thoughts are.
>>> 
>>> BTW, you can't do the second unless you do the first first. They
>   represent
>>> you. Here's an example where the BOD didn't release the right info
>   so a
>>> good answer could be communicated: last year the Board asked the
>   chapter
>>> presidents if they supported a dues reduction. But they did not
>   share the
>>> financial information about how much money we had in the Treasury or
>   what
>>> our actual operating costs were going to be. Without knowing that
>   the club
>>> could be running a huge yearly surplus and had over $100,000 in
>   unallocated
>>> cash, the chapter presidents said that we didn't need to reduce the
>   dues.
>>> The BOD then used that to kill any talk of a dues reduction at the
>   Board
>>> level. Sounds like politicians to me!
>>> 
>>> Jeff
>>> 6559
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 10:32 PM, Effie Richards <
>>> erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Thank you, Jeff Detrich for your transparency in sharing this with
>>>> everyone.
>>>> I don't drive the Pantera, but I am a co-owner and love the car and
>   the
>>>> many friends we have made over the years. However, in the last 2
>   years, I
>>>> have felt something amiss within POCA. Don't anyone say it's my
>>>> imagination, please....    I have been blessed with one extra
>   ordinary
>>>> "talent" only, that being seeing something clearly without it
>   having been
>>>> communicated to me or discussed. This extra sense, if you wish, has
>   saved
>>>> me and helped me chose good paths in life if only I listened.
>>>> There is something peculiarly uncomfortable within POCAs top guns.
>>>> I am counting on our newly elect president, Michael Shortt to
>   initiate
>>>> positive change and resurrect POCA to become more democratic.
>   Sharing more
>>>> than the cars' mechanical issues and information is a must in order
>   to
>>>> maintain its current members and attract new ones.
>>>> Until we see some positive change ( and I will "feel" it before I
>   see it),
>>>> we cannot make a decision of attending the LV rally.
>>>> I believe many others may feel the same way.
>>>> San Diego Pantera chapter was definitely not treated right by POCA
>   in
>>>> 2014.  That is a true fact!  Never mind if some tried to deny it.
>   I'm so
>>>> neutral and I saw it clearly right in front of me.
>>>> Thank you again, Jeff!
>>>> Effie Richards
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from Effie's iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 17, 2015, at 7:57 PM, Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
>   wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>  On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Larry Finch via DeTomaso
>>>>>  <[1]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>  They make all decisions for Fun Rally location, costs, events,
>   etc.
>>>>>  amongst themselves.
>>>>>  While the Fun Rally Committee freely uses the funds of the POCA
>>>>>  treasury, no Fun Rally decisions, management or expenses receive
>   any
>>>>>  review, nor are they subject to approval/disapproval, from the
>   POCA
>>>>>  Board.
>>>>>  Yes, the Fun Rally process does not formally include the POCA
>   board in
>>>>>  any manner whatsoever. This is how it has been for many years.
>>>>>  This is not in conflict with any current POCA bylaws.
>>>>> 
>>>>>  ___
>>>>>  Once again, I am speaking up to let the Members know what really
>>>>>  happens. This is clearly a problem with how the Board operates
>   and it
>>>>>  has got to stop. There may have been historical precedent but
>   there is
>>>>>  nothing in the minutes that even authorizes a Fun Rally
>   Committee, much
>>>>>  less authorizing them to spend any money or make commitments on
>   behalf
>>>>>  of the club. In fact, it is rather odd that Bob Reid made a
>   commitment
>>>>>  for the upcoming 2016 Fun Rally in Las Vegas without even
>   telling the
>>>>>  Board. He even traveled to Las Vegas to look at the hotel and
>   sign
>>>>>  contracts without notifying the Board, probably all on the
>   club's dime.
>>>>>  And if I am not mistaken, Gil Mares went with him. The Board
>   should
>>>>>  gotten proposals from local chapters and should have been
>   involved in
>>>>>  the decision but they were not. They didn't even know that he
>   was doing
>>>>>  anything.A
>>>>>  I should note, however, that Bob and the Fun Rally Committee did
>   get
>>>>>  Board approval for the 2015 Fun Rally in Houston - so why not
>   for this
>>>>>  one? Bob wanted it at the Plaza HotelA where it used to be held.
>   His
>>>>>  last hurrah if you will. In that way he wouldn't have to deal
>   with any
>>>>>  troublesome local chapter organizing committees, wouldn't have
>   to
>>>>>  organize any activities or racing. Instead, we all can just sit
>   around,
>>>>>  drink and re-tell Pantera stories. Unfortunately, the Board of
>>>>>  Directors, of which I was a part, was too weak and ineffective
>   to do
>>>>>  anything about it; the President wouldn't even call a meeting to
>>>>>  discuss it.
>>>>>  The Plaza Hotel is downtown and, as Ed Mendez, a POCA Board
>   member, put
>>>>>  it in an email to the Board, the Plaza is "...seedy at best,"
>   among
>>>>>  other criticisms. I'm not sure I'd want to go there, especially
>   with my
>>>>>  car.
>>>>>  The Board should be transparent and should work for all the
>   Members.
>>>>>  I'm not sure that has always been the case. I would urge Michael
>   Shortt
>>>>>  to review this when he takes office. I will be sending him Ed's
>   email.
>>>>>  You all should do the same. They work for you.
>>>>>  Jeff Detrich
>>>>>  Secretary, POCA
>>>>> 
>>>>> References
>>>>> 
>>>>>  1. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
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