[DeTomaso] Fwd: POCA fun rally dates
marshallgsmith
marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
Sun Dec 6 19:09:16 EST 2015
...and I already booked my flight in March!Thanks Mike!!
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
-------- Original message --------
From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
Date: 12/06/2015 10:11 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: detomaso at poca.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: POCA fun rally dates
I wish I could blame my error on the damn iPhone autocorrect!!!
Yes, the Fun Rally is 11-15 MAY not March!!!!
Thanks Bill!!!
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
Begin forwarded message:
> From: Bill Moore <bill at incendium.com>
> Date: December 5, 2015, 19:59:56 PST
> To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] whats old is new again
>
> Mike edit your response please
> No hope in hell I can drive to LV In MARCH. Try May.
>
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bill Moore
> Incendium Supply
> Calgary
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
> Date: 2015-12-05 8:51 PM (GMT-07:00)
> To: marshallgsmith <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] whats old is new again
>
> Marshall,
>
> Info is in the poca newsletter. 11-15 March at the plaza in Las Vegas. See you there!
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 5, 2015, at 19:19, marshallgsmith <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > does anyone know the dates of the fun rally next year?
> >
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
> >
> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net>
> > Date: 12/05/2015 3:49 PM (GMT-08:00)
> > To: Guido deTomaso <guido_detomaso at prodigy.net>
> > Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] whats old is new again
> > Think of it this way and it is marketing genius. Most times, when an
> > engine goes in a plain old non-exotic, it is well past its prime and
> > the
> > decision to replace the car is easier. Provide a cost-effective reason
> > keep
> > it and buy more "Original Ford Parts" to keep the rest of the car
> > running.
> > In 60 years we could be a 21st century Cuba with no American cars after
> > 2016. Brilliant!
> > On Dec 5, 2015 4:04 PM, "Guido deTomaso" <guido_detomaso at prodigy.net>
> > wrote:
> >> Unsleeved aluminum motorcycle cylinders can be re-plated by third
> > party
> >> vendors, though I have no direct experience with that.
> >> Be interesting to see if the process described below will
> > eventually
> >> compete with ordinary sleeving of an iron block.
> >> GD
> > __________________________________________________________________
> >>
> >> From: Larry - Ohio Time <Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
> >> To: detomaso at poca.com
> >> Sent: Friday, December 4, 2015 9:01 AM
> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] whats old is new again
> >> When an engine fails or becomes very worn, it is usually pulled
> > from
> >> the vehicle and scrapped. Ford wants to change that by utilizing
> > a
> >> high-tech plasma process to remanufacture broken engines. The
> > process
> >> reduces carbon emissions by about half when compared to making a
> > new
> >> engine to replace the old one, and results in a like-new engine
> >> block.
> >> . [1]When an engine fails or becomes
> > very
> >> worn, it is usually pulled from the vehicle and ...
> >> . [2]When witnessed first-hand, the
> > plasma
> >> coating process looks similar to spray painting, but with a
> > bright
> >> ...
> >> . [3]The process for Ford involves
> > taking
> >> worn, high-mileage engines and using plasma coatings to
> > refurbish and
> >> ...
> >> . [4]The process being used was
> > originally
> >> developed for engine performance enhancement
> >> The goal is to extend the performance of a vehicle by
> > lengthening its
> >> lifespan, thus reducing its overall environmental footprint. It
> > ties
> >> in
> >> with other research being done by Ford to include [5]vegetable
> > fibers
> >> in plastics and soy fibers in foam and cloth.
> >> The process was originally developed for engine performance
> >> enhancement, says Juergen Wesemann, manager of Vehicle
> > Technologies
> >> and
> >> Materials, Ford Research and Advanced Engineering. The Plasma
> >> Transferred Wired Arc (PTWA) thermal spray process applies a
> > coat to
> >> an
> >> engine block which helps bring it back to original condition.
> > This
> >> removes the need for additional heavy parts.
> >> [6][cid:[1]image005.jpg at 01D12E8B.7CA36570]
> >> PTWA works by basically creating "paint" out of metallic
> > materials. A
> >> wire feedstock is first fed into a highly-charged cathode. This
> >> atomizes the feedstock, which is then sprayed onto a surface
> > with
> >> forced gas. The high kinetic energy of the particles means that
> > they
> >> flatten on impact with the surface of the target. They then
> > quickly
> >> harden. This has the effect of both depositing even amounts of
> >> material
> >> onto a surface and of "leveling" the surface by naturally
> > filling in
> >> pits and gouges.
> >> In most PTWA processes, varied materials will be used to build
> >> multi-layer coatings. When witnessed first hand, the plasma
> > coating
> >> process looks similar to spray painting, but with a bright light
> >> where
> >> the paint emerges.
> >> The plasma coating process itself is not new. It's been a key
> >> ingredient for making aluminum engine blocks that can withstand
> >> repeated pressure without a cast iron sleeve in the cylinder
> > bores.
> >> In
> >> the automotive manufacturing process, PTWA has become a common
> >> element.
> >> High-end vehicles such as the Nissan GT-R and Ford Mustang GT500
> >> Shelby
> >> utilize plasma coating to improve friction surfaces and reduce
> >> weights
> >> by adding strength to parts made of lighter-weight materials.
> >> [7][cid:[2]image006.jpg at 01D12E8B.7CA36570]
> >> For remanufacturing, pioneering use of plasma coating began with
> >> Caterpillar and others in the diesel engine realm, using it to
> >> refurbish high-mileage or high-use engine blocks that would
> > otherwise
> >> be very expensive to replace. PTWA can be used on cast iron,
> >> aluminum,
> >> or nearly any other metal or alloy.
> >> The process for Ford is to take worn, high-mileage engines and
> > use
> >> plasma coatings to refurbish and repair the engine block,
> > especially
> >> the cylinders, as the first step towards creating a like-new
> > engine
> >> that can be used again.
> >> Larry - Cleveland
> >> References
> >> 1. [3]http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#1
> >> 2. [4]http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#2
> >> 3. [5]http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#3
> >> 4. [6]http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#4
> >> 5.
> > [7]http://www.gizmag.com/ford-flex-2010-wheat-straw-reinforced-plastic/
> >> 13419/
> >> 6. [8]http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#3
> >> 7. [9]http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#5
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
> >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
> >> DeTomaso mailing list
> >> [10]DeTomaso at poca.com
> >> [11]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
> > etc.)
> >> use the links above.
> >>
> >> References
> >>
> >> 1. mailto:image005.jpg at 01D12E8B.7CA36570
> >> 2. mailto:image006.jpg at 01D12E8B.7CA36570
> >> 3. http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#1
> >> 4. http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#2
> >> 5. http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#3
> >> 6. http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#4
> >> 7.
> > http://www.gizmag.com/ford-flex-2010-wheat-straw-reinforced-plastic/134
> > 19/
> >> 8. http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#3
> >> 9. http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#5
> >> 10. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> >> 11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >>
> >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
> >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
> >> DeTomaso mailing list
> >> DeTomaso at poca.com
> >> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >>
> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.)
> > use
> >> the links above.
> > Think of it this way and it is marketing genius.A Most times, when
> > an
> > engine goes in a plain old non-exotic, it is well past its prime and
> > the decision to replace the car is easier. Provide a cost-effective
> > reason keep it and buy more "Original Ford Parts" to keep the rest
> > of
> > the car running.
> > In 60 years we could be a 21st century Cuba with no American cars
> > after
> > 2016.A Brilliant!
> > On Dec 5, 2015 4:04 PM, "Guido deTomaso"
> > <[1]guido_detomaso at prodigy.net> wrote:
> > A A Unsleeved aluminum motorcycle cylinders can be re-plated by
> > third party
> > A A vendors, though I have no direct experience with that.
> > A A Be interesting to see if the process described below will
> > eventually
> > A A compete with ordinary sleeving of an iron block.
> > A A GD
> > A A
> > A
> > __________________________________________________________________
> > A A From: Larry - Ohio Time <[2]Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
> > A A To: [3]detomaso at poca.com
> > A A Sent: Friday, December 4, 2015 9:01 AM
> > A A Subject: [DeTomaso] whats old is new again
> > A A A When an engine fails or becomes very worn, it is usually
> > pulled from
> > A A A the vehicle and scrapped. Ford wants to change that by
> > utilizing a
> > A A A high-tech plasma process to remanufacture broken engines.
> > The process
> > A A A reduces carbon emissions by about half when compared to
> > making a new
> > A A A engine to replace the old one, and results in a like-new
> > engine
> > A A block.
> > A A A .A A A A A A A A A A A A A A [1]When an
> > engine
> > fails or becomes very
> > A A A worn, it is usually pulled from the vehicle and ...
> > A A A .A A A A A A A A A A A A A A [2]When
> > witnessed
> > first-hand, the plasma
> > A A A coating process looks similar to spray painting, but with
> > a
> > bright
> > A A ...
> > A A A .A A A A A A A A A A A A A A [3]The process
> > for Ford involves taking
> > A A A worn, high-mileage engines and using plasma coatings to
> > refurbish and
> > A A A ...
> > A A A .A A A A A A A A A A A A A A [4]The process
> > being used was originally
> > A A A developed for engine performance enhancement
> > A A A The goal is to extend the performance of a vehicle by
> > lengthening its
> > A A A lifespan, thus reducing its overall environmental
> > footprint.
> > It ties
> > A A in
> > A A A with other research being done by Ford to include
> > [5]vegetable fibers
> > A A A in plastics and soy fibers in foam and cloth.
> > A A A The process was originally developed for engine
> > performance
> > A A A enhancement, says Juergen Wesemann, manager of Vehicle
> > Technologies
> > A A and
> > A A A Materials, Ford Research and Advanced Engineering. The
> > Plasma
> > A A A Transferred Wired Arc (PTW
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...and I already booked my flight in March!
Thanks Mike!!
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
-------- Original message --------
From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
Date: 12/06/2015 10:11 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: detomaso at poca.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: POCA fun rally dates
I wish I could blame my error on the damn iPhone autocorrect!!!
Yes, the Fun Rally is 11-15 MAY not March!!!!
Thanks Bill!!!
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
Begin forwarded message:
> From: Bill Moore <bill at incendium.com>
> Date: December 5, 2015, 19:59:56 PST
> To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] whats old is new again
>
> Mike edit your response please
> No hope in hell I can drive to LV In MARCH. Try May.
>
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bill Moore
> Incendium Supply
> Calgary
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
> Date: 2015-12-05 8:51 PM (GMT-07:00)
> To: marshallgsmith <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] whats old is new again
>
> Marshall,
>
> Info is in the poca newsletter. 11-15 March at the plaza in Las
Vegas. See you there!
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 5, 2015, at 19:19, marshallgsmith
<marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > does anyone know the dates of the fun rally next year?
> >
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
> >
> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net>
> > Date: 12/05/2015 3:49 PM (GMT-08:00)
> > To: Guido deTomaso <guido_detomaso at prodigy.net>
> > Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] whats old is new again
> > Think of it this way and it is marketing genius. Most times,
when an
> > engine goes in a plain old non-exotic, it is well past its prime
and
> > the
> > decision to replace the car is easier. Provide a cost-effective
reason
> > keep
> > it and buy more "Original Ford Parts" to keep the rest of the car
> > running.
> > In 60 years we could be a 21st century Cuba with no American cars
after
> > 2016. Brilliant!
> > On Dec 5, 2015 4:04 PM, "Guido deTomaso"
<guido_detomaso at prodigy.net>
> > wrote:
> >> Unsleeved aluminum motorcycle cylinders can be re-plated by
third
> > party
> >> vendors, though I have no direct experience with that.
> >> Be interesting to see if the process described below will
> > eventually
> >> compete with ordinary sleeving of an iron block.
> >> GD
> >
__________________________________________________________________
> >>
> >> From: Larry - Ohio Time <Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
> >> To: detomaso at poca.com
> >> Sent: Friday, December 4, 2015 9:01 AM
> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] whats old is new again
> >> When an engine fails or becomes very worn, it is usually
pulled
> > from
> >> the vehicle and scrapped. Ford wants to change that by
utilizing
> > a
> >> high-tech plasma process to remanufacture broken engines. The
> > process
> >> reduces carbon emissions by about half when compared to making
a
> > new
> >> engine to replace the old one, and results in a like-new
engine
> >> block.
> >> . [1]When an engine fails or
becomes
> > very
> >> worn, it is usually pulled from the vehicle and ...
> >> . [2]When witnessed first-hand, the
> > plasma
> >> coating process looks similar to spray painting, but with a
> > bright
> >> ...
> >> . [3]The process for Ford involves
> > taking
> >> worn, high-mileage engines and using plasma coatings to
> > refurbish and
> >> ...
> >> . [4]The process being used was
> > originally
> >> developed for engine performance enhancement
> >> The goal is to extend the performance of a vehicle by
> > lengthening its
> >> lifespan, thus reducing its overall environmental footprint.
It
> > ties
> >> in
> >> with other research being done by Ford to include [5]vegetable
> > fibers
> >> in plastics and soy fibers in foam and cloth.
> >> The process was originally developed for engine performance
> >> enhancement, says Juergen Wesemann, manager of Vehicle
> > Technologies
> >> and
> >> Materials, Ford Research and Advanced Engineering. The Plasma
> >> Transferred Wired Arc (PTWA) thermal spray process applies a
> > coat to
> >> an
> >> engine block which helps bring it back to original condition.
> > This
> >> removes the need for additional heavy parts.
> >> [6][cid:[1]image005.jpg at 01D12E8B.7CA36570]
> >> PTWA works by basically creating "paint" out of metallic
> > materials. A
> >> wire feedstock is first fed into a highly-charged cathode.
This
> >> atomizes the feedstock, which is then sprayed onto a surface
> > with
> >> forced gas. The high kinetic energy of the particles means
that
> > they
> >> flatten on impact with the surface of the target. They then
> > quickly
> >> harden. This has the effect of both depositing even amounts of
> >> material
> >> onto a surface and of "leveling" the surface by naturally
> > filling in
> >> pits and gouges.
> >> In most PTWA processes, varied materials will be used to build
> >> multi-layer coatings. When witnessed first hand, the plasma
> > coating
> >> process looks similar to spray painting, but with a bright
light
> >> where
> >> the paint emerges.
> >> The plasma coating process itself is not new. It's been a key
> >> ingredient for making aluminum engine blocks that can
withstand
> >> repeated pressure without a cast iron sleeve in the cylinder
> > bores.
> >> In
> >> the automotive manufacturing process, PTWA has become a common
> >> element.
> >> High-end vehicles such as the Nissan GT-R and Ford Mustang
GT500
> >> Shelby
> >> utilize plasma coating to improve friction surfaces and reduce
> >> weights
> >> by adding strength to parts made of lighter-weight materials.
> >> [7][cid:[2]image006.jpg at 01D12E8B.7CA36570]
> >> For remanufacturing, pioneering use of plasma coating began
with
> >> Caterpillar and others in the diesel engine realm, using it to
> >> refurbish high-mileage or high-use engine blocks that would
> > otherwise
> >> be very expensive to replace. PTWA can be used on cast iron,
> >> aluminum,
> >> or nearly any other metal or alloy.
> >> The process for Ford is to take worn, high-mileage engines and
> > use
> >> plasma coatings to refurbish and repair the engine block,
> > especially
> >> the cylinders, as the first step towards creating a like-new
> > engine
> >> that can be used again.
> >> Larry - Cleveland
> >> References
> >> 1.
[3]http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#1
> >> 2.
[4]http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#2
> >> 3.
[5]http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#3
> >> 4.
[6]http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#4
> >> 5.
> >
[7]http://www.gizmag.com/ford-flex-2010-wheat-straw-reinforced-plastic/
> >> 13419/
> >> 6.
[8]http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#3
> >> 7.
[9]http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#5
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
> >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
> >> DeTomaso mailing list
> >> [10]DeTomaso at poca.com
> >> [11]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
> > etc.)
> >> use the links above.
> >>
> >> References
> >>
> >> 1. mailto:image005.jpg at 01D12E8B.7CA36570
> >> 2. mailto:image006.jpg at 01D12E8B.7CA36570
> >> 3. http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#1
> >> 4. http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#2
> >> 5. http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#3
> >> 6. http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#4
> >> 7.
> >
http://www.gizmag.com/ford-flex-2010-wheat-straw-reinforced-plastic/134
> > 19/
> >> 8. http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#3
> >> 9. http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#5
> >> 10. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> >> 11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >>
> >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
> >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
> >> DeTomaso mailing list
> >> DeTomaso at poca.com
> >> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >>
> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
etc.)
> > use
> >> the links above.
> > Think of it this way and it is marketing genius.A Most times,
when
> > an
> > engine goes in a plain old non-exotic, it is well past its
prime and
> > the decision to replace the car is easier. Provide a
cost-effective
> > reason keep it and buy more "Original Ford Parts" to keep the
rest
> > of
> > the car running.
> > In 60 years we could be a 21st century Cuba with no American
cars
> > after
> > 2016.A Brilliant!
> > On Dec 5, 2015 4:04 PM, "Guido deTomaso"
> > <[1]guido_detomaso at prodigy.net> wrote:
> > A A Unsleeved aluminum motorcycle cylinders can be
re-plated by
> > third party
> > A A vendors, though I have no direct experience with that.
> > A A Be interesting to see if the process described below
will
> > eventually
> > A A compete with ordinary sleeving of an iron block.
> > A A GD
> > A A
> > A
> >
__________________________________________________________________
> > A A From: Larry - Ohio Time <[2]Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
> > A A To: [3]detomaso at poca.com
> > A A Sent: Friday, December 4, 2015 9:01 AM
> > A A Subject: [DeTomaso] whats old is new again
> > A A A When an engine fails or becomes very worn, it is
usually
> > pulled from
> > A A A the vehicle and scrapped. Ford wants to change that
by
> > utilizing a
> > A A A high-tech plasma process to remanufacture broken
engines.
> > The process
> > A A A reduces carbon emissions by about half when compared
to
> > making a new
> > A A A engine to replace the old one, and results in a
like-new
> > engine
> > A A block.
> > A A A .A A A A A A A A A A A A A A [1]When
an
> > engine
> > fails or becomes very
> > A A A worn, it is usually pulled from the vehicle and ...
> > A A A .A A A A A A A A A A A A A A [2]When
> > witnessed
> > first-hand, the plasma
> > A A A coating process looks similar to spray painting, but
with
> > a
> > bright
> > A A ...
> > A A A .A A A A A A A A A A A A A A [3]The
process
> > for Ford involves taking
> > A A A worn, high-mileage engines and using plasma coatings
to
> > refurbish and
> > A A A ...
> > A A A .A A A A A A A A A A A A A A [4]The
process
> > being used was originally
> > A A A developed for engine performance enhancement
> > A A A The goal is to extend the performance of a vehicle
by
> > lengthening its
> > A A A lifespan, thus reducing its overall environmental
> > footprint.
> > It ties
> > A A in
> > A A A with other research being done by Ford to include
> > [5]vegetable fibers
> > A A A in plastics and soy fibers in foam and cloth.
> > A A A The process was originally developed for engine
> > performance
> > A A A enhancement, says Juergen Wesemann, manager of
Vehicle
> > Technologies
> > A A and
> > A A A Materials, Ford Research and Advanced Engineering.
The
> > Plasma
> > A A A Transferred Wired Arc (PTW
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