[DeTomaso] Fwd: POCA fun rally dates

Mike Drew MikeLDrew at aol.com
Sun Dec 6 13:11:52 EST 2015


I wish I could blame my error on the damn iPhone autocorrect!!!

Yes, the Fun Rally is 11-15 MAY not March!!!!

Thanks Bill!!!

Mike

Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Bill Moore <bill at incendium.com>
> Date: December 5, 2015, 19:59:56 PST
> To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] whats old is new again
> 
> Mike edit your response please
>  No hope in hell I can drive to LV In MARCH. Try May. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Bill Moore
> Incendium Supply
> Calgary
> 
> 
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com> 
> Date: 2015-12-05 8:51 PM (GMT-07:00) 
> To: marshallgsmith <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net> 
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com 
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] whats old is new again 
> 
> Marshall,
> 
> Info is in the poca newsletter. 11-15 March at the plaza in Las Vegas.  See you there!
> 
> Mike
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Dec 5, 2015, at 19:19, marshallgsmith <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
> >   does anyone know the dates of the fun rally next year?
> > 
> >   Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
> > 
> >   -------- Original message --------
> >   From: Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net>
> >   Date: 12/05/2015 3:49 PM (GMT-08:00)
> >   To: Guido deTomaso <guido_detomaso at prodigy.net>
> >   Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> >   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] whats old is new again
> >   Think of it this way and it is marketing genius.  Most times, when an
> >   engine goes in a plain old non-exotic, it is well past its prime and
> >   the
> >   decision to replace the car is easier. Provide a cost-effective reason
> >   keep
> >   it and buy more "Original Ford Parts" to keep the rest of the car
> >   running.
> >   In 60 years we could be a 21st century Cuba with no American cars after
> >   2016.  Brilliant!
> >   On Dec 5, 2015 4:04 PM, "Guido deTomaso" <guido_detomaso at prodigy.net>
> >   wrote:
> >>   Unsleeved aluminum motorcycle cylinders can be re-plated by third
> >   party
> >>   vendors, though I have no direct experience with that.
> >>   Be interesting to see if the process described below will
> >   eventually
> >>   compete with ordinary sleeving of an iron block.
> >>   GD
> >   __________________________________________________________________
> >> 
> >>   From: Larry - Ohio Time <Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
> >>   To: detomaso at poca.com
> >>   Sent: Friday, December 4, 2015 9:01 AM
> >>   Subject: [DeTomaso] whats old is new again
> >>     When an engine fails or becomes very worn, it is usually pulled
> >   from
> >>     the vehicle and scrapped. Ford wants to change that by utilizing
> >   a
> >>     high-tech plasma process to remanufacture broken engines. The
> >   process
> >>     reduces carbon emissions by about half when compared to making a
> >   new
> >>     engine to replace the old one, and results in a like-new engine
> >>   block.
> >>     .                            [1]When an engine fails or becomes
> >   very
> >>     worn, it is usually pulled from the vehicle and ...
> >>     .                            [2]When witnessed first-hand, the
> >   plasma
> >>     coating process looks similar to spray painting, but with a
> >   bright
> >>   ...
> >>     .                            [3]The process for Ford involves
> >   taking
> >>     worn, high-mileage engines and using plasma coatings to
> >   refurbish and
> >>     ...
> >>     .                            [4]The process being used was
> >   originally
> >>     developed for engine performance enhancement
> >>     The goal is to extend the performance of a vehicle by
> >   lengthening its
> >>     lifespan, thus reducing its overall environmental footprint. It
> >   ties
> >>   in
> >>     with other research being done by Ford to include [5]vegetable
> >   fibers
> >>     in plastics and soy fibers in foam and cloth.
> >>     The process was originally developed for engine performance
> >>     enhancement, says Juergen Wesemann, manager of Vehicle
> >   Technologies
> >>   and
> >>     Materials, Ford Research and Advanced Engineering. The Plasma
> >>     Transferred Wired Arc (PTWA) thermal spray process applies a
> >   coat to
> >>   an
> >>     engine block which helps bring it back to original condition.
> >   This
> >>     removes the need for additional heavy parts.
> >>     [6][cid:[1]image005.jpg at 01D12E8B.7CA36570]
> >>     PTWA works by basically creating "paint" out of metallic
> >   materials. A
> >>     wire feedstock is first fed into a highly-charged cathode. This
> >>     atomizes the feedstock, which is then sprayed onto a surface
> >   with
> >>     forced gas. The high kinetic energy of the particles means that
> >   they
> >>     flatten on impact with the surface of the target. They then
> >   quickly
> >>     harden. This has the effect of both depositing even amounts of
> >>   material
> >>     onto a surface and of "leveling" the surface by naturally
> >   filling in
> >>     pits and gouges.
> >>     In most PTWA processes, varied materials will be used to build
> >>     multi-layer coatings. When witnessed first hand, the plasma
> >   coating
> >>     process looks similar to spray painting, but with a bright light
> >>   where
> >>     the paint emerges.
> >>     The plasma coating process itself is not new. It's been a key
> >>     ingredient for making aluminum engine blocks that can withstand
> >>     repeated pressure without a cast iron sleeve in the cylinder
> >   bores.
> >>   In
> >>     the automotive manufacturing process, PTWA has become a common
> >>   element.
> >>     High-end vehicles such as the Nissan GT-R and Ford Mustang GT500
> >>   Shelby
> >>     utilize plasma coating to improve friction surfaces and reduce
> >>   weights
> >>     by adding strength to parts made of lighter-weight materials.
> >>     [7][cid:[2]image006.jpg at 01D12E8B.7CA36570]
> >>     For remanufacturing, pioneering use of plasma coating began with
> >>     Caterpillar and others in the diesel engine realm, using it to
> >>     refurbish high-mileage or high-use engine blocks that would
> >   otherwise
> >>     be very expensive to replace. PTWA can be used on cast iron,
> >>   aluminum,
> >>     or nearly any other metal or alloy.
> >>     The process for Ford is to take worn, high-mileage engines and
> >   use
> >>     plasma coatings to refurbish and repair the engine block,
> >   especially
> >>     the cylinders, as the first step towards creating a like-new
> >   engine
> >>     that can be used again.
> >>     Larry - Cleveland
> >>   References
> >>     1. [3]http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#1
> >>     2. [4]http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#2
> >>     3. [5]http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#3
> >>     4. [6]http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#4
> >>     5.
> >   [7]http://www.gizmag.com/ford-flex-2010-wheat-straw-reinforced-plastic/
> >>   13419/
> >>     6. [8]http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#3
> >>     7. [9]http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#5
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> >> References
> >> 
> >>   1. mailto:image005.jpg at 01D12E8B.7CA36570
> >>   2. mailto:image006.jpg at 01D12E8B.7CA36570
> >>   3. http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#1
> >>   4. http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#2
> >>   5. http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#3
> >>   6. http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#4
> >>   7.
> >   http://www.gizmag.com/ford-flex-2010-wheat-straw-reinforced-plastic/134
> >   19/
> >>   8. http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#3
> >>   9. http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#5
> >>  10. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> >>  11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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> >   use
> >> the links above.
> >      Think of it this way and it is marketing genius.A  Most times, when
> >   an
> >      engine goes in a plain old non-exotic, it is well past its prime and
> >      the decision to replace the car is easier. Provide a cost-effective
> >      reason keep it and buy more "Original Ford Parts" to keep the rest
> >   of
> >      the car running.
> >      In 60 years we could be a 21st century Cuba with no American cars
> >   after
> >      2016.A  Brilliant!
> >      On Dec 5, 2015 4:04 PM, "Guido deTomaso"
> >      <[1]guido_detomaso at prodigy.net> wrote:
> >        A  A Unsleeved aluminum motorcycle cylinders can be re-plated by
> >        third party
> >        A  A vendors, though I have no direct experience with that.
> >        A  A Be interesting to see if the process described below will
> >        eventually
> >        A  A compete with ordinary sleeving of an iron block.
> >        A  A GD
> >        A  A
> >        A
> >   __________________________________________________________________
> >        A  A From: Larry - Ohio Time <[2]Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
> >        A  A To: [3]detomaso at poca.com
> >        A  A Sent: Friday, December 4, 2015 9:01 AM
> >        A  A Subject: [DeTomaso] whats old is new again
> >        A  A  A When an engine fails or becomes very worn, it is usually
> >        pulled from
> >        A  A  A the vehicle and scrapped. Ford wants to change that by
> >        utilizing a
> >        A  A  A high-tech plasma process to remanufacture broken engines.
> >        The process
> >        A  A  A reduces carbon emissions by about half when compared to
> >        making a new
> >        A  A  A engine to replace the old one, and results in a like-new
> >        engine
> >        A  A block.
> >        A  A  A .A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  [1]When an
> >   engine
> >        fails or becomes very
> >        A  A  A worn, it is usually pulled from the vehicle and ...
> >        A  A  A .A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  [2]When
> >   witnessed
> >        first-hand, the plasma
> >        A  A  A coating process looks similar to spray painting, but with
> >   a
> >        bright
> >        A  A ...
> >        A  A  A .A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  [3]The process
> >        for Ford involves taking
> >        A  A  A worn, high-mileage engines and using plasma coatings to
> >        refurbish and
> >        A  A  A ...
> >        A  A  A .A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  [4]The process
> >        being used was originally
> >        A  A  A developed for engine performance enhancement
> >        A  A  A The goal is to extend the performance of a vehicle by
> >        lengthening its
> >        A  A  A lifespan, thus reducing its overall environmental
> >   footprint.
> >        It ties
> >        A  A in
> >        A  A  A with other research being done by Ford to include
> >        [5]vegetable fibers
> >        A  A  A in plastics and soy fibers in foam and cloth.
> >        A  A  A The process was originally developed for engine
> >   performance
> >        A  A  A enhancement, says Juergen Wesemann, manager of Vehicle
> >        Technologies
> >        A  A and
> >        A  A  A Materials, Ford Research and Advanced Engineering. The
> >        Plasma
> >        A  A  A Transferred Wired Arc (PTWA) thermal spray process applies
> >   a
> >        coat to
> >        A  A an
> >        A  A  A engine block which helps bring it back to original
> >        condition. This
> >        A  A  A removes the need for additional heavy parts.
> >        A  A  A [6][cid:[1]image005.jpg at 01D12E8B.7CA36570]
> >        A  A  A PTWA works by basically creating "paint" out of metallic
> >        materials. A
> >        A  A  A wire feedstock is first fed into a highly-charged cathode.
> >        This
> >        A  A  A atomizes the feedstock, which is then sprayed onto a
> >   surface
> >        with
> >        A  A  A forced gas. The high kinetic energy of the particles means
> >        that they
> >        A  A  A flatten on impact with the surface of the target. They
> >   then
> >        quickly
> >        A  A  A harden. This has the effect of both depositing even
> >   amounts
> >        of
> >        A  A material
> >        A  A  A onto a surface and of "leveling" the surface by naturally
> >        filling in
> >        A  A  A pits and gouges.
> >        A  A  A In most PTWA processes, varied materials will be used to
> >        build
> >        A  A  A multi-layer coatings. When witnessed first hand, the
> >   plasma
> >        coating
> >        A  A  A process looks similar to spray painting, but with a bright
> >        light
> >        A  A where
> >        A  A  A the paint emerges.
> >        A  A  A The plasma coating process itself is not new. It's been a
> >        key
> >        A  A  A ingredient for making aluminum engine blocks that can
> >        withstand
> >        A  A  A repeated pressure without a cast iron sleeve in the
> >   cylinder
> >        bores.
> >        A  A In
> >        A  A  A the automotive manufacturing process, PTWA has become a
> >        common
> >        A  A element.
> >        A  A  A High-end vehicles such as the Nissan GT-R and Ford Mustang
> >        GT500
> >        A  A Shelby
> >        A  A  A utilize plasma coating to improve friction surfaces and
> >        reduce
> >        A  A weights
> >        A  A  A by adding strength to parts made of lighter-weight
> >        materials.
> >        A  A  A [7][cid:[2]image006.jpg at 01D12E8B.7CA36570]
> >        A  A  A For remanufacturing, pioneering use of plasma coating
> >   began
> >        with
> >        A  A  A Caterpillar and others in the diesel engine realm, using
> >   it
> >        to
> >        A  A  A refurbish high-mileage or high-use engine blocks that
> >   would
> >        otherwise
> >        A  A  A be very expensive to replace. PTWA can be used on cast
> >   iron,
> >        A  A aluminum,
> >        A  A  A or nearly any other metal or alloy.
> >        A  A  A The process for Ford is to take worn, high-mileage engines
> >        and use
> >        A  A  A plasma coatings to refurbish and repair the engine block,
> >        especially
> >        A  A  A the cylinders, as the first step towards creating a
> >   like-new
> >        engine
> >        A  A  A that can be used again.
> >        A  A  A Larry - Cleveland
> >        A  A References
> >        A  A  A 1.
> >        [3][4]http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#1
> >        A  A  A 2.
> >        [4][5]http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#2
> >        A  A  A 3.
> >        [5][6]http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#3
> >        A  A  A 4.
> >        [6][7]http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#4
> >        A  A  A 5.
> >        A
> >        A
> >   [7][8]http://www.gizmag.com/ford-flex-2010-wheat-straw-reinforced-
> >        plastic/
> >        A  A 13419/
> >        A  A  A 6.
> >        [8][9]http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#3
> >        A  A  A 7.
> >        [9][10]http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#5
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> >        A  A 2. mailto:[14]image006.jpg at 01D12E8B.7CA36570
> >        A  A 3.
> >        [15]http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#1
> >        A  A 4.
> >        [16]http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#2
> >        A  A 5.
> >        [17]http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#3
> >        A  A 6.
> >        [18]http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#4
> >        A  A 7.
> > 
> >   [19]http://www.gizmag.com/ford-flex-2010-wheat-straw-reinforced-plas
> >        tic/13419/
> >        A  A 8.
> >        [20]http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#3
> >        A  A 9.
> >        [21]http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#5
> >        A  10. mailto:[22]DeTomaso at poca.com
> >        A  11. [23]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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> >   References
> >      1. mailto:guido_detomaso at prodigy.net
> >      2. mailto:Larry at ohiotimecorp.com
> >      3. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> >      4. http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#1
> >      5. http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#2
> >      6. http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#3
> >      7. http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#4
> >      8.
> >   http://www.gizmag.com/ford-flex-2010-wheat-straw-reinforced-plastic/
> >      9. http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#3
> >     10. http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#5
> >     11. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> >     12. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >     13. mailto:image005.jpg at 01D12E8B.7CA36570
> >     14. mailto:image006.jpg at 01D12E8B.7CA36570
> >     15. http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#1
> >     16. http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#2
> >     17. http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#3
> >     18. http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#4
> >     19.
> >   http://www.gizmag.com/ford-flex-2010-wheat-straw-reinforced-plastic/134
> >   19/
> >     20. http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#3
> >     21. http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#5
> >     22. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> >     23. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >     24. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> >     25. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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-------------- next part --------------
   I wish I could blame my error on the damn iPhone autocorrect!!!

   Yes, the Fun Rally is 11-15 MAY not March!!!!

   Thanks Bill!!!

   Mike
   Sent from my iPhone

   Begin forwarded message:

   From: Bill Moore <[1]bill at incendium.com>
   Date: December 5, 2015, 19:59:56 PST
   To: Mike Drew <[2]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] whats old is new again

   Mike edit your response please

    No hope in hell I can drive to LV In MARCH. Try May.

   Cheers,
   Bill Moore
   Incendium Supply
   Calgary

     -------- Original message --------
     From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[3]detomaso at poca.com>
     Date: 2015-12-05 8:51 PM (GMT-07:00)
     To: marshallgsmith <[4]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
     Cc: [5]detomaso at poca.com
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] whats old is new again
     Marshall,
     Info is in the poca newsletter. 11-15 March at the plaza in Las
     Vegas.  See you there!
     Mike
     Sent from my iPhone
     On Dec 5, 2015, at 19:19, marshallgsmith
     <[6]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
     >   does anyone know the dates of the fun rally next year?
     >
     >   Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
     >
     >   -------- Original message --------
     >   From: Rob Dumoulin <[7]rob at dumoulins.net>
     >   Date: 12/05/2015 3:49 PM (GMT-08:00)
     >   To: Guido deTomaso <[8]guido_detomaso at prodigy.net>
     >   Cc: [9]detomaso at poca.com
     >   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] whats old is new again
     >   Think of it this way and it is marketing genius.  Most times,
     when an
     >   engine goes in a plain old non-exotic, it is well past its prime
     and
     >   the
     >   decision to replace the car is easier. Provide a cost-effective
     reason
     >   keep
     >   it and buy more "Original Ford Parts" to keep the rest of the
     car
     >   running.
     >   In 60 years we could be a 21st century Cuba with no American
     cars after
     >   2016.  Brilliant!
     >   On Dec 5, 2015 4:04 PM, "Guido deTomaso"
     <[10]guido_detomaso at prodigy.net>
     >   wrote:
     >>   Unsleeved aluminum motorcycle cylinders can be re-plated by
     third
     >   party
     >>   vendors, though I have no direct experience with that.
     >>   Be interesting to see if the process described below will
     >   eventually
     >>   compete with ordinary sleeving of an iron block.
     >>   GD
     >
     __________________________________________________________________
     >>
     >>   From: Larry - Ohio Time <[11]Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
     >>   To: [12]detomaso at poca.com
     >>   Sent: Friday, December 4, 2015 9:01 AM
     >>   Subject: [DeTomaso] whats old is new again
     >>     When an engine fails or becomes very worn, it is usually
     pulled
     >   from
     >>     the vehicle and scrapped. Ford wants to change that by
     utilizing
     >   a
     >>     high-tech plasma process to remanufacture broken engines. The
     >   process
     >>     reduces carbon emissions by about half when compared to
     making a
     >   new
     >>     engine to replace the old one, and results in a like-new
     engine
     >>   block.
     >>     .                            [1]When an engine fails or
     becomes
     >   very
     >>     worn, it is usually pulled from the vehicle and ...
     >>     .                            [2]When witnessed first-hand,
     the
     >   plasma
     >>     coating process looks similar to spray painting, but with a
     >   bright
     >>   ...
     >>     .                            [3]The process for Ford involves
     >   taking
     >>     worn, high-mileage engines and using plasma coatings to
     >   refurbish and
     >>     ...
     >>     .                            [4]The process being used was
     >   originally
     >>     developed for engine performance enhancement
     >>     The goal is to extend the performance of a vehicle by
     >   lengthening its
     >>     lifespan, thus reducing its overall environmental footprint.
     It
     >   ties
     >>   in
     >>     with other research being done by Ford to include
     [5]vegetable
     >   fibers
     >>     in plastics and soy fibers in foam and cloth.
     >>     The process was originally developed for engine performance
     >>     enhancement, says Juergen Wesemann, manager of Vehicle
     >   Technologies
     >>   and
     >>     Materials, Ford Research and Advanced Engineering. The Plasma
     >>     Transferred Wired Arc (PTWA) thermal spray process applies a
     >   coat to
     >>   an
     >>     engine block which helps bring it back to original condition.
     >   This
     >>     removes the need for additional heavy parts.
     >>     [6][cid:[1][13]image005.jpg at 01D12E8B.7CA36570]
     >>     PTWA works by basically creating "paint" out of metallic
     >   materials. A
     >>     wire feedstock is first fed into a highly-charged cathode.
     This
     >>     atomizes the feedstock, which is then sprayed onto a surface
     >   with
     >>     forced gas. The high kinetic energy of the particles means
     that
     >   they
     >>     flatten on impact with the surface of the target. They then
     >   quickly
     >>     harden. This has the effect of both depositing even amounts
     of
     >>   material
     >>     onto a surface and of "leveling" the surface by naturally
     >   filling in
     >>     pits and gouges.
     >>     In most PTWA processes, varied materials will be used to
     build
     >>     multi-layer coatings. When witnessed first hand, the plasma
     >   coating
     >>     process looks similar to spray painting, but with a bright
     light
     >>   where
     >>     the paint emerges.
     >>     The plasma coating process itself is not new. It's been a key
     >>     ingredient for making aluminum engine blocks that can
     withstand
     >>     repeated pressure without a cast iron sleeve in the cylinder
     >   bores.
     >>   In
     >>     the automotive manufacturing process, PTWA has become a
     common
     >>   element.
     >>     High-end vehicles such as the Nissan GT-R and Ford Mustang
     GT500
     >>   Shelby
     >>     utilize plasma coating to improve friction surfaces and
     reduce
     >>   weights
     >>     by adding strength to parts made of lighter-weight materials.
     >>     [7][cid:[2][14]image006.jpg at 01D12E8B.7CA36570]
     >>     For remanufacturing, pioneering use of plasma coating began
     with
     >>     Caterpillar and others in the diesel engine realm, using it
     to
     >>     refurbish high-mileage or high-use engine blocks that would
     >   otherwise
     >>     be very expensive to replace. PTWA can be used on cast iron,
     >>   aluminum,
     >>     or nearly any other metal or alloy.
     >>     The process for Ford is to take worn, high-mileage engines
     and
     >   use
     >>     plasma coatings to refurbish and repair the engine block,
     >   especially
     >>     the cylinders, as the first step towards creating a like-new
     >   engine
     >>     that can be used again.
     >>     Larry - Cleveland
     >>   References
     >>     1.
     [3][15]http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#1
     >>     2.
     [4][16]http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#2
     >>     3.
     [5][17]http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#3
     >>     4.
     [6][18]http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#4
     >>     5.
     >
     [7][19]http://www.gizmag.com/ford-flex-2010-wheat-straw-reinforced-p
     lastic/
     >>   13419/
     >>     6.
     [8][20]http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#3
     >>     7.
     [9][21]http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#5
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     >> References
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     >>   1. [24]mailto:image005.jpg at 01D12E8B.7CA36570
     >>   2. [25]mailto:image006.jpg at 01D12E8B.7CA36570
     >>   3.
     [26]http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#1
     >>   4.
     [27]http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#2
     >>   5.
     [28]http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#3
     >>   6.
     [29]http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#4
     >>   7.
     >
     [30]http://www.gizmag.com/ford-flex-2010-wheat-straw-reinforced-plas
     tic/134
     >   19/
     >>   8.
     [31]http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#3
     >>   9.
     [32]http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#5
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     >      Think of it this way and it is marketing genius.A  Most
     times, when
     >   an
     >      engine goes in a plain old non-exotic, it is well past its
     prime and
     >      the decision to replace the car is easier. Provide a
     cost-effective
     >      reason keep it and buy more "Original Ford Parts" to keep the
     rest
     >   of
     >      the car running.
     >      In 60 years we could be a 21st century Cuba with no American
     cars
     >   after
     >      2016.A  Brilliant!
     >      On Dec 5, 2015 4:04 PM, "Guido deTomaso"
     >      <[1][37]guido_detomaso at prodigy.net> wrote:
     >        A  A Unsleeved aluminum motorcycle cylinders can be
     re-plated by
     >        third party
     >        A  A vendors, though I have no direct experience with that.
     >        A  A Be interesting to see if the process described below
     will
     >        eventually
     >        A  A compete with ordinary sleeving of an iron block.
     >        A  A GD
     >        A  A
     >        A
     >
     __________________________________________________________________
     >        A  A From: Larry - Ohio Time
     <[2][38]Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
     >        A  A To: [3][39]detomaso at poca.com
     >        A  A Sent: Friday, December 4, 2015 9:01 AM
     >        A  A Subject: [DeTomaso] whats old is new again
     >        A  A  A When an engine fails or becomes very worn, it is
     usually
     >        pulled from
     >        A  A  A the vehicle and scrapped. Ford wants to change that
     by
     >        utilizing a
     >        A  A  A high-tech plasma process to remanufacture broken
     engines.
     >        The process
     >        A  A  A reduces carbon emissions by about half when
     compared to
     >        making a new
     >        A  A  A engine to replace the old one, and results in a
     like-new
     >        engine
     >        A  A block.
     >        A  A  A .A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  [1]When
     an
     >   engine
     >        fails or becomes very
     >        A  A  A worn, it is usually pulled from the vehicle and ...
     >        A  A  A .A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  [2]When
     >   witnessed
     >        first-hand, the plasma
     >        A  A  A coating process looks similar to spray painting,
     but with
     >   a
     >        bright
     >        A  A ...
     >        A  A  A .A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  [3]The
     process
     >        for Ford involves taking
     >        A  A  A worn, high-mileage engines and using plasma
     coatings to
     >        refurbish and
     >        A  A  A ...
     >        A  A  A .A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  [4]The
     process
     >        being used was originally
     >        A  A  A developed for engine performance enhancement
     >        A  A  A The goal is to extend the performance of a vehicle
     by
     >        lengthening its
     >        A  A  A lifespan, thus reducing its overall environmental
     >   footprint.
     >        It ties
     >        A  A in
     >        A  A  A with other research being done by Ford to include
     >        [5]vegetable fibers
     >        A  A  A in plastics and soy fibers in foam and cloth.
     >        A  A  A The process was originally developed for engine
     >   performance
     >        A  A  A enhancement, says Juergen Wesemann, manager of
     Vehicle
     >        Technologies
     >        A  A and
     >        A  A  A Materials, Ford Research and Advanced Engineering.
     The
     >        Plasma
     >        A  A  A Transferred Wired Arc (PTWA) thermal spray process
     applies
     >   a
     >        coat to
     >        A  A an
     >        A  A  A engine block which helps bring it back to original
     >        condition. This
     >        A  A  A removes the need for additional heavy parts.
     >        A  A  A [6][cid:[1][40]image005.jpg at 01D12E8B.7CA36570]
     >        A  A  A PTWA works by basically creating "paint" out of
     metallic
     >        materials. A
     >        A  A  A wire feedstock is first fed into a highly-charged
     cathode.
     >        This
     >        A  A  A atomizes the feedstock, which is then sprayed onto
     a
     >   surface
     >        with
     >        A  A  A forced gas. The high kinetic energy of the
     particles means
     >        that they
     >        A  A  A flatten on impact with the surface of the target.
     They
     >   then
     >        quickly
     >        A  A  A harden. This has the effect of both depositing even
     >   amounts
     >        of
     >        A  A material
     >        A  A  A onto a surface and of "leveling" the surface by
     naturally
     >        filling in
     >        A  A  A pits and gouges.
     >        A  A  A In most PTWA processes, varied materials will be
     used to
     >        build
     >        A  A  A multi-layer coatings. When witnessed first hand,
     the
     >   plasma
     >        coating
     >        A  A  A process looks similar to spray painting, but with a
     bright
     >        light
     >        A  A where
     >        A  A  A the paint emerges.
     >        A  A  A The plasma coating process itself is not new. It's
     been a
     >        key
     >        A  A  A ingredient for making aluminum engine blocks that
     can
     >        withstand
     >        A  A  A repeated pressure without a cast iron sleeve in the
     >   cylinder
     >        bores.
     >        A  A In
     >        A  A  A the automotive manufacturing process, PTWA has
     become a
     >        common
     >        A  A element.
     >        A  A  A High-end vehicles such as the Nissan GT-R and Ford
     Mustang
     >        GT500
     >        A  A Shelby
     >        A  A  A utilize plasma coating to improve friction surfaces
     and
     >        reduce
     >        A  A weights
     >        A  A  A by adding strength to parts made of lighter-weight
     >        materials.
     >        A  A  A [7][cid:[2][41]image006.jpg at 01D12E8B.7CA36570]
     >        A  A  A For remanufacturing, pioneering use of plasma
     coating
     >   began
     >        with
     >        A  A  A Caterpillar and others in the diesel engine realm,
     using
     >   it
     >        to
     >        A  A  A refurbish high-mileage or high-use engine blocks
     that
     >   would
     >        otherwise
     >        A  A  A be very expensive to replace. PTWA can be used on
     cast
     >   iron,
     >        A  A aluminum,
     >        A  A  A or nearly any other metal or alloy.
     >        A  A  A The process for Ford is to take worn, high-mileage
     engines
     >        and use
     >        A  A  A plasma coatings to refurbish and repair the engine
     block,
     >        especially
     >        A  A  A the cylinders, as the first step towards creating a
     >   like-new
     >        engine
     >        A  A  A that can be used again.
     >        A  A  A Larry - Cleveland
     >        A  A References
     >        A  A  A 1.
     >
     [3][4][42]http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#1
     >        A  A  A 2.
     >
     [4][5][43]http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#2
     >        A  A  A 3.
     >
     [5][6][44]http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#3
     >        A  A  A 4.
     >
     [6][7][45]http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#4
     >        A  A  A 5.
     >        A
     >        A
     >
     [7][8][46]http://www.gizmag.com/ford-flex-2010-wheat-straw-reinforce
     d-
     >        plastic/
     >        A  A 13419/
     >        A  A  A 6.
     >
     [8][9][47]http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#3
     >        A  A  A 7.
     >
     [9][10][48]http://www.gizmag.com/ford-plasma-engine/40728/pictures#5
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     >        A  A 3.
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     >        A  A 4.
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     >        A  A 5.
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     >        A  A 6.
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     >        A  A 7.
     >
     >
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     plas
     >        tic/13419/
     >        A  A 8.
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     >        A  A 9.
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     >        A  10. mailto:[22][60]DeTomaso at poca.com
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