[DeTomaso] NPC: VMWare
Konrad Szwab
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Thu Aug 20 20:45:57 EDT 2015
And some more are quiet (looking at dead Panteras feeling guilty).
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
wrote:
> I didn't realize there are so many IT people on the list.
> --
> Will
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> On 8/20/15 11:42 AM, "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
> wrote:
>
> > I have been running VMWare for years on my Mac OS. Currently using
> > v6.0.4. I setup Windoze 7 so that I could run some software that
> > is not available for the Mac (Linux). Setup took about 15min
> > including install of the Windoze ISO. It does take up 1gb of memory.
> > But I
> > have 16gb so it don madder.
> > ALL our ground Flight Systems run Solaris 9 or 10 and Linux VM's.
> > It's a mix currently. InSight has gone 100% Linux but there are
> > issues.
> > Linux & LDAP do not work for Team accounts. I wish we had the good 'ol
> > NIS host back. Lots of security issues. 'nuf said.
> >
> > "Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life
> >
> > exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried
> >
> > to contact us!"
> >
> > Terry W. Himes
> >
> > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
> >
> > InSight Sequence Team Lead
> >
> > Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead
> >
> > Phone: (818) 393-6261
> >
> > Cell: (818) 653-8213
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> > Fax: (818) 393-3147
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> > [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
> >
> > From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of Asa Jay
> > Laughton <[3]asajay at asajay.com>
> > Date: Thursday, August 20, 2015 6:41 AM
> > To: POCA <[4]detomaso at poca.com>
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: VMWare
> >
> > VMware for personal use was a real PITA for years, and expensive. Once
> > they came out with VMware Player (for free), it became so much easier.
> > I
> > now run VMware Player on my Windows machines and have several different
> > Linux VMs that I can run anytime I want or need to.
> > I've had trouble installing VMware on Linux in order to run Windows
> > stuff, but for the most part Wine on Linux seems to work.
> > Nearly all hosted servers out there in the wild (like GoGaddy and
> > others) are running on VMs. The servers I host are all on VMs. The
> > servers my employer hosts are nearly all on VMs. They've come a heckuva
> > long way.
> > Asa Jay
> > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> > & Shelley Marie
> > Spokane, WA
> > ******************************
> > [5]http://www.racingagainstautism.com
> > [6]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> > [7]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
> > On 8/20/2015 6:23 AM, Larry - Ohio Time wrote:
> >
> > Will, I am installing some VM ware as I read your post. I see more and
> > more
> >
> > of it each day.
> >
> > Larry (Novel man) - Cleveland
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > From: DeTomaso [[8]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Will
> > Kooiman
> >
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 10:55 PM
> >
> > To: Ed Mendez
> >
> > Cc: [9]detomaso at poca.com
> >
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Should we purchase vintage cars for our
> > investment
> >
> > portfolio?
> >
> > I liked Solaris too. Proprietary hardware had no future, though. Sun
> > was
> >
> > doomed regardless of Oracle's involvement. The same was true for
> >
> > DEC/Alpha. Or maybe you could say that DEC was doomed because of Ken
> >
> > Olsen. Water under the bridge. Doesn't matter.
> >
> > We're doing everything on Intel/Linux these days. It's a very stable
> >
> > platform. Plus, we're moving more towards VMWare. I'm not a big fan
> > of
> >
> > VM from an engineering standpoint, but it makes a lot of sense in the
> > big
> >
> > picture.
> >
> > On 8/19/15, 10:41 PM, "Ed Mendez"<[10]edducati at mac.com> wrote:
> >
> > I received my Sun Solaris Unix System Admin and Network Certificate in
> >
> > 2000, IMHO They were the greatest makers of Unix RISC based equipment
> > and
> >
> > a rock solid OS.
> >
> > At one point Sun was just about on the backend of every Fortune 500
> >
> > company.
> >
> > and Then...
> >
> > Larry Ellison F'd it all up.
> >
> > ORACLE = One Rich Asshole Called Larry Ellison
> >
> > A shame. I too lost on Sun shares. Pails in comparison to yours. Sorry
> >
> > dude.
> >
> > Ed
> >
> > On Aug 19, 2015, at 19:18, Will
> > Kooiman<[11]will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Don^1t even get me started on Sun Microsystems.
> >
> > I did stock market software for about 6 years. During that time, I was
> >
> > very active in the stock market. I had a run for about a year where I
> >
> > made about $850K by day trading. I was right at $1M, so I called it
> >
> > quits
> >
> > and bought about $600K in Oracle and about $300K in Sun. And then,
> >
> > Larry
> >
> > Ellison fired Ray Lane, and both Oracle and Sun took a dive. A year
> >
> > later, my $950K was worth about $90K. Numbers are foggy. Don^1t make
> > me
> >
> > look it up. I stopped trading for 2-3 years, and briefly got back into
> >
> > the market for a slight rebound, but that really drove home the adage,
> >
> > easy come, easy go.
> >
> > A few years later, the stock market was soft, so my wife sold some
> >
> > mutual
> >
> > funds and bought some art. We can^1t drive it, but we enjoy it. It
> >
> > might
> >
> > not be going up in value, but neither was her mutual fund.
> >
> > So, that^1s how I view collector cars. If you are buying them to store
> >
> > and
> >
> > watch them go up in value, you better be damn good or lucky at buying.
> >
> > If
> >
> > you plan on spending a lot of time with them, wrenching, washing,
> >
> > polishing, or preferably driving them, they pay you back in enjoyment.
> >
> > Nobody ever talks about buying boats for investments. Why does
> > everyone
> >
> > try to make it a big deal with sports cars?
> >
> > On 8/19/15, 12:21 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr."
> >
> > <[12]detomaso-bounces at poca.com on behalf of
> > [13]byrdjf at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I had never seen a LOG scale used to show stock price history!
> >
> > I hope you got the majority of you ESP out!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > From: DeTomaso [[14]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
> > Thomas
> >
> > Tornblom
> >
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 10:08 AM
> >
> > To: [15]detomaso at poca.com
> >
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Should we purchase vintage cars for our
> >
> > investment
> >
> > portfolio?
> >
> > I joined Sun in Nov 1996 and got on the employee stock purchase program
> >
> > where we could buy Sun stock for part of our salary, at a 15% discount.
> >
> > In the years they had normally two 1:2 splits per year.
> >
> > You can see the stock price at:
> > [16]http://k0lee.com/2009/10/sun-also-sets/
> >
> > I learned after I had bought the car that my wife was not happy about
> >
> > me
> >
> > buying it, and beeing male I guess I was blind to any hints to that
> >
> > effect.
> >
> > After I explained that if I had kept the Sun Stock it would have only
> >
> > been
> >
> > worth about 1/5:th of what the car was worth, and with the recent hike
> >
> > it
> >
> > is
> >
> > now more like 1/10:th.
> >
> > She's happy now :)
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Thomas
> >
> > Den 2015-08-19 14:12, Sean Korb skrev:
> >
> > I really never thought of it that way... I had very meager
> >
> > retirement
> >
> > savings at the time but I bought my Pantera with everything I had,
> >
> > cashed out in 2000.A It survived both that recession and the next
> >
> > and
> >
> > has tripled in value.A Not bad!
> >
> > But that has nothing to do with why I bought it and still own it
> > :)
> >
> > sean
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 12:35 AM,
> > thomas<[1][17]thomas at hax.se> wrote:
> >
> > I sold most of my Sun Microsystems stock to buy my GT5 in March
> >
> > 2000. That has turned out to be the best timed deal ever for me.
> >
> > Thomas
> >
> > 19 aug 2015 kl. 01:10 skrev Jeff Detrich<[2][18]jjdetrich at gmail.com>:
> >
> > A A If you had used some of your stock portfolio to buy a classic
> >
> > or
> >
> > A A vintage car just before the stock market crash, it would have
> >
> > saved you
> >
> > A A from losing a lot of money on those assets. Does that count?
> >
> > A A Jeff
> >
> > A A On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 6:03 PM, John Taphorn
> >
> > A A<[1][3][19]jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com> wrote:
> >
> > A A A This Bloomberg story greeted me at my office this morning.
> >
> > Here is
> >
> > A A A one person's opinion on vintage cars as an investment.AA
> >
> > Would you
> >
> > A A A agree?
> >
> > A A
> >
> > A
> >
> > [2][4][20]
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> > #1382
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> > 1. [33]mailto:thomas at hax.se
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> > 2. [34]mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com
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> > 3. [35]mailto:jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com
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> > 4.
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> > [36]http://www.fa-mag.com/news/why-a-classic-car-is--almost--never-a-
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> > 5. [37]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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> > 6. [38]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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> > 7. [39]mailto:jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com
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> > 8.
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> > [40]
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> > 9. [41]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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> > 10. [42]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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> > 11. [43]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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> > 12. [44]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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> > 13. [45]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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> > 14. [46]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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> > 15. [47]mailto:spkorb at spkorb.org
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> > 1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
> > 2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
> > 3. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
> > 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> > 5. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/
> > 6. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
> > 7. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
> > 8. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
> > 9. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> > 10. mailto:edducati at mac.com
> > 11. mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com
> > 12. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
> > 13. mailto:byrdjf at embarqmail.com
> > 14. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
> > 15. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> > 16. http://k0lee.com/2009/10/sun-also-sets/
> > 17. mailto:thomas at hax.se
> > 18. mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com
> > 19. mailto:jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com
> > 20. http://www.fa-mag.com/news/why-a-classic-car-is--almost--never-
> > 21. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> > 22. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> > 23. mailto:[7]jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com
> > 24.
> http://www.fa-mag.com/news/why-a-classic-car-is--almost--never-a-goo
> > 25. mailto:[9]DeTomaso at poca.com
> > 26. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> > 27. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> > 28. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> > 29. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> > 30. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> > 31. mailto:spkorb at spkorb.org
> > 32. http://www.spkorb.org/
> > 33. mailto:thomas at hax.se
> > 34. mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com
> > 35. mailto:jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com
> > 36. http://www.fa-mag.com/news/why-a-classic-car-is--almost--never-a-
> > 37. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> > 38. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> > 39. mailto:jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com
> > 40.
> >http://www.fa-mag.com/news/why-a-classic-car-is--almost--never-a-good-in
> > 41. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> > 42. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> > 43. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> > 44. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> > 45. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> > 46. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> > 47. mailto:spkorb at spkorb.org
> > 48. http://www.spkorb.org/
> > 49. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> > 50. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> > 51. mailto:thomas at hax.se
> > 52. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> > 53. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> > 54. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> > 55. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> > 56. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> > 57. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> > 58. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> > 59. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> > 60. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> > 61. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> > 62. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> > 63. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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And some more are quiet (looking at dead Panteras feeling guilty).
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Will Kooiman
<[1]will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
I didn't realize there are so many IT people on the list.
--
Will
On 8/20/15 11:42 AM, "Himes, Terry (397C)"
<[2]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
wrote:
>A A I have been running VMWare for years on my Mac OS.A Currently
using
>A A v6.0.4.A A I setup Windoze 7 so that I could run some
software that
>A A is not available for the Mac (Linux).A A Setup took about
15min
>A A including install of the Windoze ISO.A It does take up 1gb of
memory.
>A A But I
>A A have 16gb so it don madder.
>A A ALL our ground Flight Systems run SolarisA 9 or 10 and Linux
VM's.
>A A It's a mix currently.A InSight has gone 100% Linux but there
are
>A A issues.
>A A Linux & LDAP do not work for Team accounts.A I wish we had
the good 'ol
>A A NIS host back.A Lots of security issues.A 'nuf said.
>
>A A "Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life
>
>A A A exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has
tried
>
>A A A to contact us!"
>
>A A Terry W. Himes
>
>A A JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
>
>A A InSight Sequence Team Lead
>
>A A Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead
>
>A A Phone: (818) 393-6261
>
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>
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>
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>
>A A From: DeTomaso <[2][4]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of
Asa Jay
>A A Laughton <[3][5]asajay at asajay.com>
>A A Date: Thursday, August 20, 2015 6:41 AM
>A A To: POCA <[4][6]detomaso at poca.com>
>A A Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: VMWare
>
>A A VMware for personal use was a real PITA for years, and
expensive. Once
>A A they came out with VMware Player (for free), it became so much
easier.
>A A I
>A A now run VMware Player on my Windows machines and have several
different
>A A Linux VMs that I can run anytime I want or need to.
>A A I've had trouble installing VMware on Linux in order to run
Windows
>A A stuff, but for the most part Wine on Linux seems to work.
>A A Nearly all hosted servers out there in the wild (like GoGaddy
and
>A A others) are running on VMs. The servers I host are all on VMs.
The
>A A servers my employer hosts are nearly all on VMs. They've come
a heckuva
>A A long way.
>A A Asa Jay
>A A Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>A A &A Shelley Marie
>A A Spokane, WA
>A A ******************************
>A A [5][7]http://www.racingagainstautism.com
>A A [6][8]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>A A [7][9]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>A A On 8/20/2015 6:23 AM, Larry - Ohio Time wrote:
>
>A A Will, I am installing some VM ware as I read your post. I see
more and
>A A more
>
>A A of it each day.
>
>A A Larry (Novel man) - Cleveland
>
>A A -----Original Message-----
>
>A A From: DeTomaso [[8]mailto:[10]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On
Behalf Of Will
>A A Kooiman
>
>A A Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 10:55 PM
>
>A A To: Ed Mendez
>
>A A Cc: [9][11]detomaso at poca.com
>
>A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Should we purchase vintage cars for
our
>A A investment
>
>A A portfolio?
>
>A A I liked Solaris too.A Proprietary hardware had no future,
though.A Sun
>A A was
>
>A A doomed regardless of Oracle's involvement.A The same was true
for
>
>A A DEC/Alpha.A Or maybe you could say that DEC was doomed
because of Ken
>
>A A Olsen.A Water under the bridge.A Doesn't matter.
>
>A A We're doing everything on Intel/Linux these days.A It's a
very stable
>
>A A platform.A Plus, we're moving more towards VMWare.A I'm not
a big fan
>A A of
>
>A A VM from an engineering standpoint, but it makes a lot of sense
in the
>A A big
>
>A A picture.
>
>A A On 8/19/15, 10:41 PM, "Ed Mendez"<[10][12]edducati at mac.com>A
wrote:
>
>A A I received my Sun Solaris Unix System Admin and Network
Certificate in
>
>A A 2000, IMHO They were the greatest makers of Unix RISC based
equipment
>A A and
>
>A A a rock solid OS.
>
>A A At one point Sun was just about on the backend of every
Fortune 500
>
>A A company.
>
>A A and Then...
>
>A A Larry Ellison F'd it all up.
>
>A A ORACLE = One Rich Asshole Called Larry Ellison
>
>A A A shame. I too lost on Sun shares. Pails in comparison to
yours. Sorry
>
>A A dude.
>
>A A Ed
>
>A A On Aug 19, 2015, at 19:18, Will
>A A Kooiman<[11][13]will.kooiman at gmail.com>A wrote:
>
>A A Don^1t even get me started on Sun Microsystems.
>
>A A I did stock market software for about 6 years.A During that
time, I was
>
>A A very active in the stock market.A I had a run for about a
year where I
>
>A A made about $850K by day trading.A I was right at $1M, so I
called it
>
>A A quits
>
>A A and bought about $600K in Oracle and about $300K in Sun.A And
then,
>
>A A Larry
>
>A A Ellison fired Ray Lane, and both Oracle and Sun took a dive.A
A year
>
>A A later, my $950K was worth about $90K.A Numbers are foggy.A
Don^1t make
>A A me
>
>A A look it up.A I stopped trading for 2-3 years, and briefly got
back into
>
>A A the market for a slight rebound, but that really drove home
the adage,
>
>A A easy come, easy go.
>
>A A A few years later, the stock market was soft, so my wife sold
some
>
>A A mutual
>
>A A funds and bought some art.A We can^1t drive it, but we enjoy
it.A It
>
>A A might
>
>A A not be going up in value, but neither was her mutual fund.
>
>A A So, that^1s how I view collector cars.A If you are buying
them to store
>
>A A and
>
>A A watch them go up in value, you better be damn good or lucky at
buying.
>
>A A If
>
>A A you plan on spending a lot of time with them, wrenching,
washing,
>
>A A polishing, or preferably driving them, they pay you back in
enjoyment.
>
>A A Nobody ever talks about buying boats for investments.A Why
does
>A A everyone
>
>A A try to make it a big deal with sports cars?
>
>A A On 8/19/15, 12:21 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Joseph F. Byrd,
Jr."
>
>A A <[12][14]detomaso-bounces at poca.com on behalf of
>A A [13][15]byrdjf at embarqmail.com>A wrote:
>
>A A I had never seen a LOG scale used to show stock price history!
>
>A A I hope you got the majority of you ESP out!
>
>A A -----Original Message-----
>
>A A From: DeTomaso [[14]mailto:[16]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On
Behalf Of
>A A Thomas
>
>A A Tornblom
>
>A A Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 10:08 AM
>
>A A To: [15][17]detomaso at poca.com
>
>A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Should we purchase vintage cars for
our
>
>A A investment
>
>A A portfolio?
>
>A A I joined Sun in Nov 1996 and got on the employee stock
purchase program
>
>A A where we could buy Sun stock for part of our salary, at a 15%
discount.
>
>A A In the years they had normally two 1:2 splits per year.
>
>A A You can see the stock price at:
>A A [16][18]http://k0lee.com/2009/10/sun-also-sets/
>
>A A I learned after I had bought the car that my wife was not
happy about
>
>A A me
>
>A A buying it, and beeing male I guess I was blind to any hints to
that
>
>A A effect.
>
>A A After I explained that if I had kept the Sun Stock it would
have only
>
>A A been
>
>A A worth about 1/5:th of what the car was worth, and with the
recent hike
>
>A A it
>
>A A is
>
>A A now more like 1/10:th.
>
>A A She's happy now :)
>
>A A Cheers,
>
>A A Thomas
>
>A A Den 2015-08-19 14:12, Sean Korb skrev:
>
>A A A A I really never thought of it that way... I had very
meager
>
>A A retirement
>
>A A A A savings at the time but I bought my Pantera with
everything I had,
>
>A A A A cashed out in 2000.AA It survived both that recession
and the next
>
>A A and
>
>A A A A has tripled in value.AA Not bad!
>
>A A A A But that has nothing to do with why I bought it and
still own it
>A A :)
>
>A A A A sean
>
>A A A A On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 12:35 AM,
>A A thomas<[1][17][19]thomas at hax.se>A wrote:
>
>A A A A A I sold most of my Sun Microsystems stock to buy my
GT5 in March
>
>A A A A A 2000. That has turned out to be the best timed deal
ever for me.
>
>A A A A A Thomas
>
>A A 19 aug 2015 kl. 01:10 skrev Jeff
Detrich<[2][18][20]jjdetrich at gmail.com>:
>
>A A AA A If you had used some of your stock portfolio to buy a
classic
>
>A A or
>
>A A AA A vintage car just before the stock market crash, it would
have
>
>A A A A saved you
>
>A A AA A from losing a lot of money on those assets. Does that
count?
>
>A A AA A Jeff
>
>A A AA A On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 6:03 PM, John Taphorn
>
>A A AA A<[1][3][19][21]jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com>A wrote:
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>A A AA AA A This Bloomberg story greeted me at my office this
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>
>A A A A Here is
>
>A A AA AA A one person's opinion on vintage cars as an
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>
>A A A A Would you
>
>A A AA AA A agree?
>
>A A AA A
>
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