[DeTomaso] Alignment for high speed
Boyd Casey
boyd411 at gmail.com
Mon Aug 17 20:47:21 EDT 2015
I believe I said with Johnny woods mods it was possible to obtain around
11% of castor (this modification is limited to the upper a -arms) After
spending some time at to alignment shop I found that I couldn't use the
entire 11% and I was running into fender rub and decided to switch to the
this narrower tire
*225/40R18 92W2072407.225.089.067.5-(8.0)-9.01389
Boyd
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 12:34 PM, R.J <willibillie at live.de> wrote:
> Chuck,
> You have to choose between SUV like drive way driving and sports car
> like high speed cruising......
>
> Am 15.08.2015 um 17:57 schrieb Charles Engles:
>
> Dear Scientific Julian,
>
>
>
> Ah, the answer is that with the combination I
> have listed add in the wheel position as you turn into a driveway with
> a modest incline even at modest speed. Those things then proceed to
> have the tire kiss the outer fender lip in an unpleasant way. Given
> a world without driveways then there is about a quarter of an inch of
> clearance in the worst case.
>
>
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck
> Engles
>
>
>
>
> From: Julian Kift [[1]mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 11:58 PM
> To: [2]cengles at cox.net; [3]boyd411 at gmail.com
> Cc: [4]detomaso at poca.com; [5]teampantera at yahoo.com
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Alignment for high speed
>
>
> I believe the mod that Johnny does and which I also executed moves the
> balljoint 3/4 of an inch, providing about 7 degrees of caster; eleven
> is probably excessive IMO, especially ona narrow body car. I executed
> on my GT5 to try and reduce the tendency for tramlining of the 275 wide
> tires.
> I'm also intigued why Charles experienced tire rub in the fender upper
> front as the addition of positive caster rotates the wheel rearward
> over the center pivot point.
> Julian
> From: [[6]1]cengles at cox.net
> To: [[7]2]boyd411 at gmail.com
> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2015 21:31:16 -0500
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alignment for high speed
> CC: [[8]3]detomaso at poca.com; [[9]4]teampantera at yahoo.com
> Dear Boyd,
>
>
>
>
>
> Eleven degrees! Impressive. Do be aware of my sad
> experienc
> e with five degrees of positive caster plus stock rolled fender lips plus
> nine i
> nch wide by seventeen inch wheels with 245 mm wide tires----at full lock
> it tend
> s to permit the tire to kiss the front upper outer fender lip. Following
> that
> is a notable blemish and a trip to the paint and body man for a repair to
> fix th
> e damage and a recontouring of the fender flair to prevent future "kisses".
> The advantages of big positive caster still outweigh these minor
> disadvantages.
>
>
>
> Positive Caster Ambassador, Chuck
> Engles
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Boyd Casey [[5][10]mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 7:39 PM
> To: Charles Engles
> Cc: mark skwarek; [[11]6]detomaso at poca.com; Mad Dog Antenucci
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alignment for high speed
>
>
>
> I sent my front upper A - arms and had them modified in a manner similar
> to pat
> Micals. I used Johnny woods to do the work. His modification is supposed
> to obta
> in around 11 degrees of caster.
>
>
>
> Boyd
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 10:56 AM, [12]<[7]cengles at cox.net> wrote:
>
> Dear Mark,
>
> "6.5 to 7 degrees of caster"......Well! I certainly
> think that you've just about nailed that issue! Not much more to add
> except the puny civilian alignment specs that I have may be of little
> use at the speeds you are looking at.
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 8:48 AM, mark skwarek wrote:
>
> I am using Delrin bushings and have 6.5 to 7 degrees of castor.
>
> Mark
>
> On Tuesday, August 11, 2015 9:26 AM, [13]"[8]cengles at cox.net"
> [14]<[9]cengles at cox.net> wrote:
>
> Dear Mark,
>
> Off the top of my head, the most positive caster that
>
> you can get is important. I *think* it is paramount and the other
>
> parameters and secondary. I have my alignments specs at home which I
>
> can send you this evening.
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 11:36 PM, mark skwarek via DeTomaso wrote:
>
> > Looking for alignment specs that work best for 145 to 165 mph
> driving.
>
> > Mark
>
> >
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I believe I said with Johnny woods mods it was possible to obtain
around 11% of castor (this modification is limited to the upper a
-arms) After spending some time at to alignment shop I found that I
couldn't use the entire 11% and I was running into fender rub and
decided to switch to the this narrower tire
*225/40R18 92W 207240 7.2 25.08 9.06 7.5-(8.0)-9.0 1389
Boyd
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 12:34 PM, R.J <[1]willibillie at live.de> wrote:
A A Chuck,
A A You have to choose between SUV like drive way driving and
sports car
A A like high speed cruising......
A A Am 15.08.2015 um 17:57 schrieb Charles Engles:
A A Dear Scientific Julian,
A A A A A A A A A A A A A Ah, the answer is that with
the combination I
A A have listed add in the wheel position as you turn into a
driveway with
A A a modest incline even at modest speed.A Those things then
proceed to
A A have the tire kiss the outer fender lip in an unpleasant way.A
A Given
A A a world without driveways then there is about a quarter of an
inch of
A A clearance in the worst case.
A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A
A Warmest regards,A Chuck
A A Engles
A A From: Julian Kift [[1]mailto:[2]julian_kift at hotmail.com]
A A Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 11:58 PM
A A To: [2][3]cengles at cox.net; [3][4]boyd411 at gmail.com
A A Cc: [4][5]detomaso at poca.com; [5][6]teampantera at yahoo.com
A A Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Alignment for high speed
A A I believe the mod that Johnny does and which I also executed
moves the
A A balljoint 3/4 of an inch, providing about 7 degrees of caster;
eleven
A A is probably excessive IMO, especially ona narrow body car. I
executed
A A on my GT5 to try and reduce the tendency for tramlining of the
275 wide
A A tires.
A A I'm also intigued why Charles experienced tire rub in the
fender upper
A A front as the addition of positive caster rotates the wheel
rearward
A A over the center pivot point.
A A Julian
A A From: [[6]1][7]cengles at cox.net
A A To: [[7]2][8]boyd411 at gmail.com
A A Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2015 21:31:16 -0500
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alignment for high speed
A A CC: [[8]3][9]detomaso at poca.com; [[9]4][10]teampantera at yahoo.com
Dear Boyd,
A A A A A A A A A Eleven degrees!A A Impressive.A A Do be
aware of my sad experienc
e with five degrees of positive caster plus stock rolled fender lips
plus nine i
nch wide by seventeen inch wheels with 245 mm wide tires----at full
lock it tend
s to permit the tire to kiss the front upper outer fender lip.A
A Following that
is a notable blemish and a trip to the paint and body man for a
repair to fix th
e damage and a recontouring of the fender flair to prevent future
"kisses".
The advantages of big positive caster still outweigh these minor
disadvantages.
A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A Positive
Caster Ambassador,A Chuck Engles
From: Boyd Casey [[5][10]mailto:[11]boyd411 at gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 7:39 PM
To: Charles Engles
Cc: mark skwarek; [[11]6][12]detomaso at poca.com; Mad Dog Antenucci
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alignment for high speed
I sent my front upper A - arms and had them modified in a manner
similar to pat
Micals. I used Johnny woods to do the work. His modification is
supposed to obta
in around 11 degrees of caster.
Boyd
On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 10:56 AM, [12]<[7][13]cengles at cox.net>
wrote:
A A Dear Mark,
A A A A A A A A "6.5 to 7 degrees of caster"......Well!A
A I certainly
A A think that you've just about nailed that issue!A Not much more
to add
A A except the puny civilian alignment specs that I have may be of
little
A A use at the speeds you are looking at.
A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A Warmest regards,A
Chuck Engles
A A On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 8:48 AM, mark skwarek wrote:
A A I am using Delrin bushings and have 6.5 to 7 degrees ofA
castor.
A A Mark
A A On Tuesday, August 11, 2015 9:26 AM,
[13]"[8][14]cengles at cox.net"
A A [14]<[9][15]cengles at cox.net> wrote:
A A Dear Mark,
A A A A A A A A A A Off the top of my head, the most
positive caster that
A A you can get is important.A I *think* it is paramount and the
other
A A parameters and secondary.A A I have my alignments specs at
home which I
A A can send you this evening.
A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A Warmest regards,A Chuck
Engles
A A On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 11:36 PM, mark skwarek via DeTomaso
wrote:
A A > Looking for alignment specs that work best for 145 to 165 mph
A A driving.
A A > Mark
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