[DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing
Bill Moore
bill at incendium.com
Wed Aug 12 13:23:49 EDT 2015
Go Bob go.
Cheers,
Bill MooreIncendium SupplyCalgary
-------- Original message --------
From: bens1 via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
Date: 2015-08-12 10:17 AM (GMT-07:00)
To: MikeLDrew at aol.com, jjdetrich at gmail.com
Cc: kenn_green at yahoo.com, jderyke at aol.com, detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing
Mike,
I thought about a wing in the front a long time ago
Just not sure I want to go there.. but now that it
has come up again:)
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
Cc: jderyke <jderyke at aol.com>; kenn_green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>; rcbsons1 <rcbsons1 at aol.com>; detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Wed, Aug 12, 2015 8:59 am
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing
Jeff,
You're right in a way. Think about the wing setups on sprint cars.
Mike (don't go giving Bob any more ideas!)
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug
12, 2015, at 8:25, Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> I thought
the reason for moving the wing back was to get it into the
> right kind of
airflow?A
> On another thought, it would seem that a wing over the center
of
> gravity of the car would be ideal? It would bias the force effect to
>
the back of the car(drag acting on a lever) but still provide some
> front
end downforce.A
> Jeff - it's a slow day and my mind is just wandering
>
6559
>
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso
>
<[1]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
>
> A A ALL rear wings or spoilers reduce
front loading since the car
> will
> A A pivot around its center of
balance with applied loads on either
> end. A
> A A wing like Jr's
mounted on brackets behind the chassis simply
> has more
> A A
leverage to do so. One cannot treat the two ends of the car as
> A A
independent things in this case.
> A A As for alignment spec's for radial
tires, unless you have
> unlimited
> A A power, use as little toe-in
as safely possible on either end to
> reduce
> A A tire drag, with at
least 4-1/2 degrees of camber for stability.
> Don't
> A A be
surprised if the left & right sides wind up with slightly
> different
>
A A cambers using identical adjustments. And test the new alignment
>
first!
> A A You may not like how it handles. Good luck- J DeRyke
> A
A -----Original Message-----
> A A From: Ken Green via DeTomaso
<[2]detomaso at poca.com>
> A A To: rcbsons1 <[3]rcbsons1 at aol.com>;
henrik.svensson
> A A <[4]henrik.svensson at intelligo.se>; detomaso
>
<[5]detomaso at poca.com>
> A A Sent: Mon, Aug 10, 2015 1:20 pm
> A A
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing
> A A I'd be a little
careful about a wing behind the rear axels, the
> down
> A A force
there would reduce the weight on the front wheels.A
> Maybe you
> A A
can't get enough down force from this type of wing to create a
>
problem,
> A A but with a 200 MPH plus car, I'd want to be sure.
> A
A You might want to talk to Goran
> ([1][1][6]http://www.hemipanter.se/)A
I
> A A wouldn't be surprised if he has done some analysis on wings for
>
A A Panteras.
> A A Ken
> A A
> A
__________________________________________________________________
> A A
From: bens1 via DeTomaso <[2][7]detomaso at poca.com>
> A A To:
[3][8]kenn_green at yahoo.com;
> [4][9]henrik.svensson at intelligo.se;
> A
A [5][10]detomaso at poca.com
> A A Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 9:08 AM
>
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing
> A A A I had mine
made (the upper part) about 11 years back and
> that company
> A A A
is no longer.. it was a modified Corvette wing.... they
> would not
>
A A make
> A A A The supports.. that was my design... Jr Wilson is still
in
> Monterey
> A A A last I heard... not sure if he has any thing
on the wing..
> my guess
> A A A is it made the whole thing himself
as he is a machinist and
> not
> A A afraid
> A A A to fab
anything
> A A A Bob
> A A A -----Original Message-----
> A
A A From: Ken Green <[2][6][11]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> A A A To: Henrik
Svensson
> <[3][7][12]henrik.svensson at intelligo.se>; detomaso
> A A
A <[4][8][13]detomaso at poca.com>; Bob Benson
>
<[5][9][14]rcbsons1 at aol.com>
> A A A Sent: Mon, Aug 10, 2015 8:51 am
>
A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing
> A A A That
kinda looks like Bob Benson's wing?
> A A A Inline image
> A A A
Ken
> A A A
> A
__________________________________________________________________
> A A
A From: Henrik Svensson
> <[1][6][10][15]henrik.svensson at intelligo.se>
>
A A A To: "[2][7][11][16]detomaso at poca.com"
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<[3][8][12][17]detomaso at poca.com>
> A A A Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015
6:44 AM
> A A A Subject: [DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing
> A A
A Hi
> A A A I'm the current owner of a Jr. Wilson Pantera and I'm
>
thinking of
> A A A rebuilding the "crazy" wing he used when running the
Silver
> State
> A A A Classic.
> A A A Anyone that have any
more pictures that could help me
> recreating it?
> A A A
[4][9][13][18]http://www.garaget.org/?car=163523a=2112613
> A A A
Henrik
> A A A #1477
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I thought about a wing in the front a long time ago
Just not sure I want to go there.. but now that it
has come up again:)
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
Cc: jderyke <jderyke at aol.com>; kenn_green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>;
rcbsons1 <rcbsons1 at aol.com>; detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Wed, Aug 12, 2015 8:59 am
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing
Jeff,
You're right in a way. Think about the wing setups on sprint cars.
Mike (don't go giving Bob any more ideas!)
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug
12, 2015, at 8:25, Jeff Detrich <[1]jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> I thought
the reason for moving the wing back was to get it into the
> right kind of
airflow?A
> On another thought, it would seem that a wing over the center
of
> gravity of the car would be ideal? It would bias the force effect to
>
the back of the car(drag acting on a lever) but still provide some
> front
end downforce.A
> Jeff - it's a slow day and my mind is just wandering
>
6559
>
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso
>
<[1][2]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
>
> A A ALL rear wings or spoilers reduce
front loading since the car
> will
> A A pivot around its center of
balance with applied loads on either
> end. A
> A A wing like Jr's
mounted on brackets behind the chassis simply
> has more
> A A
leverage to do so. One cannot treat the two ends of the car as
> A A
independent things in this case.
> A A As for alignment spec's for radial
tires, unless you have
> unlimited
> A A power, use as little toe-in
as safely possible on either end to
> reduce
> A A tire drag, with at
least 4-1/2 degrees of camber for stability.
> Don't
> A A be
surprised if the left & right sides wind up with slightly
> different
>
A A cambers using identical adjustments. And test the new alignment
>
first!
> A A You may not like how it handles. Good luck- J DeRyke
> A
A -----Original Message-----
> A A From: Ken Green via DeTomaso
<[2][3]detomaso at poca.com>
> A A To: rcbsons1 <[3][4]rcbsons1 at aol.com>;
henrik.svensson
> A A <[4][5]henrik.svensson at intelligo.se>; detomaso
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<[5][6]detomaso at poca.com>
> A A Sent: Mon, Aug 10, 2015 1:20 pm
> A A
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing
> A A I'd be a little
careful about a wing behind the rear axels, the
> down
> A A force
there would reduce the weight on the front wheels.A
> Maybe you
> A A
can't get enough down force from this type of wing to create a
>
problem,
> A A but with a 200 MPH plus car, I'd want to be sure.
> A
A You might want to talk to Goran
> ([1][1][6][7]http://www.hemipanter.se/)A
I
> A A wouldn't be surprised if he has done some analysis on wings for
>
A A Panteras.
> A A Ken
> A A
> A
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> A A
From: bens1 via DeTomaso <[2][7][8]detomaso at poca.com>
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> A
A [5][10][11]detomaso at poca.com
> A A Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 9:08 AM
>
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing
> A A A I had mine
made (the upper part) about 11 years back and
> that company
> A A A
is no longer.. it was a modified Corvette wing.... they
> would not
>
A A make
> A A A The supports.. that was my design... Jr Wilson is still
in
> Monterey
> A A A last I heard... not sure if he has any thing
on the wing..
> my guess
> A A A is it made the whole thing himself
as he is a machinist and
> not
> A A afraid
> A A A to fab
anything
> A A A Bob
> A A A -----Original Message-----
> A
A A From: Ken Green <[2][6][11][12]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> A A A To: Henrik
Svensson
> <[3][7][12][13]henrik.svensson at intelligo.se>; detomaso
> A A
A <[4][8][13][14]detomaso at poca.com>; Bob Benson
>
<[5][9][14][15]rcbsons1 at aol.com>
> A A A Sent: Mon, Aug 10, 2015 8:51 am
>
A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing
> A A A That
kinda looks like Bob Benson's wing?
> A A A Inline image
> A A A
Ken
> A A A
> A
__________________________________________________________________
> A A
A From: Henrik Svensson
> <[1][6][10][15][16]henrik.svensson at intelligo.se>
>
A A A To: "[2][7][11][16][17]detomaso at poca.com"
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> A A A Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015
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> A A A Subject: [DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing
> A A
A Hi
> A A A I'm the current owner of a Jr. Wilson Pantera and I'm
>
thinking of
> A A A rebuilding the "crazy" wing he used when running the
Silver
> State
> A A A Classic.
> A A A Anyone that have any
more pictures that could help me
> recreating it?
> A A A
[4][9][13][18][19]http://www.garaget.org/?car=163523a=2112613
> A A A
Henrik
> A A A #1477
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Go Bob go.
Cheers,
Bill Moore
Incendium Supply
Calgary
-------- Original message --------
From: bens1 via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
Date: 2015-08-12 10:17 AM (GMT-07:00)
To: MikeLDrew at aol.com, jjdetrich at gmail.com
Cc: kenn_green at yahoo.com, jderyke at aol.com, detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing
Mike,
I thought about a wing in the front a long time ago
Just not sure I want to go there.. but now that it
has come up again:)
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
Cc: jderyke <jderyke at aol.com>; kenn_green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>;
rcbsons1 <rcbsons1 at aol.com>; detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Wed, Aug 12, 2015 8:59 am
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing
Jeff,
You're right in a way. Think about the wing setups on sprint cars.
Mike (don't go giving Bob any more ideas!)
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug
12, 2015, at 8:25, Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> I thought
the reason for moving the wing back was to get it into the
> right kind of
airflow?A
> On another thought, it would seem that a wing over the center
of
> gravity of the car would be ideal? It would bias the force effect
to
>
the back of the car(drag acting on a lever) but still provide some
> front
end downforce.A
> Jeff - it's a slow day and my mind is just wandering
>
6559
>
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso
>
<[1]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
>
> A A ALL rear wings or spoilers reduce
front loading since the car
> will
> A A pivot around its center of
balance with applied loads on either
> end. A
> A A wing like Jr's
mounted on brackets behind the chassis simply
> has more
> A A
leverage to do so. One cannot treat the two ends of the car as
> A A
independent things in this case.
> A A As for alignment spec's for radial
tires, unless you have
> unlimited
> A A power, use as little toe-in
as safely possible on either end to
> reduce
> A A tire drag, with at
least 4-1/2 degrees of camber for stability.
> Don't
> A A be
surprised if the left & right sides wind up with slightly
> different
>
A A cambers using identical adjustments. And test the new alignment
>
first!
> A A You may not like how it handles. Good luck- J DeRyke
> A
A -----Original Message-----
> A A From: Ken Green via DeTomaso
<[2]detomaso at poca.com>
> A A To: rcbsons1 <[3]rcbsons1 at aol.com>;
henrik.svensson
> A A <[4]henrik.svensson at intelligo.se>; detomaso
>
<[5]detomaso at poca.com>
> A A Sent: Mon, Aug 10, 2015 1:20 pm
> A A
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing
> A A I'd be a little
careful about a wing behind the rear axels, the
> down
> A A force
there would reduce the weight on the front wheels.A
> Maybe you
> A A
can't get enough down force from this type of wing to create a
>
problem,
> A A but with a 200 MPH plus car, I'd want to be sure.
> A
A You might want to talk to Goran
> ([1][1][6]http://www.hemipanter.se/)A
I
> A A wouldn't be surprised if he has done some analysis on wings
for
>
A A Panteras.
> A A Ken
> A A
> A
__________________________________________________________________
> A A
From: bens1 via DeTomaso <[2][7]detomaso at poca.com>
> A A To:
[3][8]kenn_green at yahoo.com;
> [4][9]henrik.svensson at intelligo.se;
> A
A [5][10]detomaso at poca.com
> A A Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 9:08 AM
>
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing
> A A A I had mine
made (the upper part) about 11 years back and
> that company
> A A A
is no longer.. it was a modified Corvette wing.... they
> would not
>
A A make
> A A A The supports.. that was my design... Jr Wilson is still
in
> Monterey
> A A A last I heard... not sure if he has any thing
on the wing..
> my guess
> A A A is it made the whole thing himself
as he is a machinist and
> not
> A A afraid
> A A A to fab
anything
> A A A Bob
> A A A -----Original Message-----
> A
A A From: Ken Green <[2][6][11]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> A A A To: Henrik
Svensson
> <[3][7][12]henrik.svensson at intelligo.se>; detomaso
> A A
A <[4][8][13]detomaso at poca.com>; Bob Benson
>
<[5][9][14]rcbsons1 at aol.com>
> A A A Sent: Mon, Aug 10, 2015 8:51 am
>
A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing
> A A A That
kinda looks like Bob Benson's wing?
> A A A Inline image
> A A A
Ken
> A A A
> A
__________________________________________________________________
> A A
A From: Henrik Svensson
> <[1][6][10][15]henrik.svensson at intelligo.se>
>
A A A To: "[2][7][11][16]detomaso at poca.com"
>
<[3][8][12][17]detomaso at poca.com>
> A A A Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015
6:44 AM
> A A A Subject: [DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing
> A A
A Hi
> A A A I'm the current owner of a Jr. Wilson Pantera and I'm
>
thinking of
> A A A rebuilding the "crazy" wing he used when running the
Silver
> State
> A A A Classic.
> A A A Anyone that have any
more pictures that could help me
> recreating it?
> A A A
[4][9][13][18]http://www.garaget.org/?car=163523a=2112613
> A A A
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has come up again:)
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
Cc: jderyke <jderyke at aol.com>; kenn_green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>;
rcbsons1 <rcbsons1 at aol.com>; detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Wed, Aug 12, 2015 8:59 am
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing
Jeff,
You're right in a way. Think about the wing setups on sprint cars.
Mike (don't go giving Bob any more ideas!)
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug
12, 2015, at 8:25, Jeff Detrich <[1]jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> I thought
the reason for moving the wing back was to get it into the
> right kind of
airflow?A
> On another thought, it would seem that a wing over the center
of
> gravity of the car would be ideal? It would bias the force effect
to
>
the back of the car(drag acting on a lever) but still provide some
> front
end downforce.A
> Jeff - it's a slow day and my mind is just wandering
>
6559
>
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso
>
<[1][2]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
>
> A A ALL rear wings or spoilers reduce
front loading since the car
> will
> A A pivot around its center of
balance with applied loads on either
> end. A
> A A wing like Jr's
mounted on brackets behind the chassis simply
> has more
> A A
leverage to do so. One cannot treat the two ends of the car as
> A A
independent things in this case.
> A A As for alignment spec's for radial
tires, unless you have
> unlimited
> A A power, use as little toe-in
as safely possible on either end to
> reduce
> A A tire drag, with at
least 4-1/2 degrees of camber for stability.
> Don't
> A A be
surprised if the left & right sides wind up with slightly
> different
>
A A cambers using identical adjustments. And test the new alignment
>
first!
> A A You may not like how it handles. Good luck- J DeRyke
> A
A -----Original Message-----
> A A From: Ken Green via DeTomaso
<[2][3]detomaso at poca.com>
> A A To: rcbsons1 <[3][4]rcbsons1 at aol.com>;
henrik.svensson
> A A <[4][5]henrik.svensson at intelligo.se>; detomaso
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<[5][6]detomaso at poca.com>
> A A Sent: Mon, Aug 10, 2015 1:20 pm
> A A
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing
> A A I'd be a little
careful about a wing behind the rear axels, the
> down
> A A force
there would reduce the weight on the front wheels.A
> Maybe you
> A A
can't get enough down force from this type of wing to create a
>
problem,
> A A but with a 200 MPH plus car, I'd want to be sure.
> A
A You might want to talk to Goran
> ([1][1][6][7]http://www.hemipanter.se/)A
I
> A A wouldn't be surprised if he has done some analysis on wings
for
>
A A Panteras.
> A A Ken
> A A
> A
__________________________________________________________________
> A A
From: bens1 via DeTomaso <[2][7][8]detomaso at poca.com>
> A A To:
[3][8][9]kenn_green at yahoo.com;
> [4][9][10]henrik.svensson at intelligo.se;
> A
A [5][10][11]detomaso at poca.com
> A A Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 9:08 AM
>
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing
> A A A I had mine
made (the upper part) about 11 years back and
> that company
> A A A
is no longer.. it was a modified Corvette wing.... they
> would not
>
A A make
> A A A The supports.. that was my design... Jr Wilson is still
in
> Monterey
> A A A last I heard... not sure if he has any thing
on the wing..
> my guess
> A A A is it made the whole thing himself
as he is a machinist and
> not
> A A afraid
> A A A to fab
anything
> A A A Bob
> A A A -----Original Message-----
> A
A A From: Ken Green <[2][6][11][12]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> A A A To: Henrik
Svensson
> <[3][7][12][13]henrik.svensson at intelligo.se>; detomaso
> A A
A <[4][8][13][14]detomaso at poca.com>; Bob Benson
>
<[5][9][14][15]rcbsons1 at aol.com>
> A A A Sent: Mon, Aug 10, 2015 8:51 am
>
A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing
> A A A That
kinda looks like Bob Benson's wing?
> A A A Inline image
> A A A
Ken
> A A A
> A
__________________________________________________________________
> A A
A From: Henrik Svensson
> <[1][6][10][15][16]henrik.svensson at intelligo.se>
>
A A A To: "[2][7][11][16][17]detomaso at poca.com"
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<[3][8][12][17][18]detomaso at poca.com>
> A A A Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015
6:44 AM
> A A A Subject: [DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing
> A A
A Hi
> A A A I'm the current owner of a Jr. Wilson Pantera and I'm
>
thinking of
> A A A rebuilding the "crazy" wing he used when running the
Silver
> State
> A A A Classic.
> A A A Anyone that have any
more pictures that could help me
> recreating it?
> A A A
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