[DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing

Mike Drew MikeLDrew at aol.com
Wed Aug 12 11:59:06 EDT 2015


Jeff,

You're right in a way. Think about the wing setups on sprint cars. 

Mike (don't go giving Bob any more ideas!)

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 12, 2015, at 8:25, Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:

>   I thought the reason for moving the wing back was to get it into the
>   right kind of airflow?A
>   On another thought, it would seem that a wing over the center of
>   gravity of the car would be ideal? It would bias the force effect to
>   the back of the car(drag acting on a lever) but still provide some
>   front end downforce.A
>   Jeff - it's a slow day and my mind is just wandering
>   6559
> 
>   On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso
>   <[1]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
> 
>     A  A ALL rear wings or spoilers reduce front loading since the car
>     will
>     A  A pivot around its center of balance with applied loads on either
>     end. A
>     A  A wing like Jr's mounted on brackets behind the chassis simply
>     has more
>     A  A leverage to do so. One cannot treat the two ends of the car as
>     A  A independent things in this case.
>     A  A As for alignment spec's for radial tires, unless you have
>     unlimited
>     A  A power, use as little toe-in as safely possible on either end to
>     reduce
>     A  A tire drag, with at least 4-1/2 degrees of camber for stability.
>     Don't
>     A  A be surprised if the left & right sides wind up with slightly
>     different
>     A  A cambers using identical adjustments. And test the new alignment
>     first!
>     A  A You may not like how it handles. Good luck- J DeRyke
>     A  A -----Original Message-----
>     A  A From: Ken Green via DeTomaso <[2]detomaso at poca.com>
>     A  A To: rcbsons1 <[3]rcbsons1 at aol.com>; henrik.svensson
>     A  A <[4]henrik.svensson at intelligo.se>; detomaso
>     <[5]detomaso at poca.com>
>     A  A Sent: Mon, Aug 10, 2015 1:20 pm
>     A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing
>     A  A I'd be a little careful about a wing behind the rear axels, the
>     down
>     A  A force there would reduce the weight on the front wheels.A
>     Maybe you
>     A  A can't get enough down force from this type of wing to create a
>     problem,
>     A  A but with a 200 MPH plus car, I'd want to be sure.
>     A  A You might want to talk to Goran
>     ([1][1][6]http://www.hemipanter.se/)A  I
>     A  A wouldn't be surprised if he has done some analysis on wings for
>     A  A Panteras.
>     A  A Ken
>     A  A
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>     A  A From: bens1 via DeTomaso <[2][7]detomaso at poca.com>
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>     A  A Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 9:08 AM
>     A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing
>     A  A  A I had mine made (the upper part) about 11 years back and
>     that company
>     A  A  A is no longer.. it was a modified Corvette wing.... they
>     would not
>     A  A make
>     A  A  A The supports.. that was my design... Jr Wilson is still in
>     Monterey
>     A  A  A last I heard... not sure if he has any thing on the wing..
>     my guess
>     A  A  A is it made the whole thing himself as he is a machinist and
>     not
>     A  A afraid
>     A  A  A to fab anything
>     A  A  A Bob
>     A  A  A -----Original Message-----
>     A  A  A From: Ken Green <[2][6][11]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
>     A  A  A To: Henrik Svensson
>     <[3][7][12]henrik.svensson at intelligo.se>; detomaso
>     A  A  A <[4][8][13]detomaso at poca.com>; Bob Benson
>     <[5][9][14]rcbsons1 at aol.com>
>     A  A  A Sent: Mon, Aug 10, 2015 8:51 am
>     A  A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing
>     A  A  A That kinda looks like Bob Benson's wing?
>     A  A  A Inline image
>     A  A  A Ken
>     A  A  A
>     A __________________________________________________________________
>     A  A  A From: Henrik Svensson
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>     A  A  A To: "[2][7][11][16]detomaso at poca.com"
>     <[3][8][12][17]detomaso at poca.com>
>     A  A  A Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 6:44 AM
>     A  A  A Subject: [DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing
>     A  A  A Hi
>     A  A  A I'm the current owner of a Jr. Wilson Pantera and I'm
>     thinking of
>     A  A  A rebuilding the "crazy" wing he used when running the Silver
>     State
>     A  A  A Classic.
>     A  A  A Anyone that have any more pictures that could help me
>     recreating it?
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