[DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing
Jeff Detrich
jjdetrich at gmail.com
Wed Aug 12 11:25:37 EDT 2015
I thought the reason for moving the wing back was to get it into the right
kind of airflow?
On another thought, it would seem that a wing over the center of gravity of
the car would be ideal? It would bias the force effect to the back of the
car(drag acting on a lever) but still provide some front end downforce.
Jeff - it's a slow day and my mind is just wandering
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On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com
> wrote:
> ALL rear wings or spoilers reduce front loading since the car will
> pivot around its center of balance with applied loads on either end. A
> wing like Jr's mounted on brackets behind the chassis simply has more
> leverage to do so. One cannot treat the two ends of the car as
> independent things in this case.
>
> As for alignment spec's for radial tires, unless you have unlimited
> power, use as little toe-in as safely possible on either end to reduce
> tire drag, with at least 4-1/2 degrees of camber for stability. Don't
> be surprised if the left & right sides wind up with slightly different
> cambers using identical adjustments. And test the new alignment first!
> You may not like how it handles. Good luck- J DeRyke
>
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> From: Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
> To: rcbsons1 <rcbsons1 at aol.com>; henrik.svensson
> <henrik.svensson at intelligo.se>; detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
> Sent: Mon, Aug 10, 2015 1:20 pm
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing
>
> I'd be a little careful about a wing behind the rear axels, the down
>
> force there would reduce the weight on the front wheels. Maybe you
>
> can't get enough down force from this type of wing to create a problem,
>
> but with a 200 MPH plus car, I'd want to be sure.
>
> You might want to talk to Goran ([1][1]http://www.hemipanter.se/) I
>
> wouldn't be surprised if he has done some analysis on wings for
>
> Panteras.
>
> Ken
>
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> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 9:08 AM
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing
>
> I had mine made (the upper part) about 11 years back and that company
>
> is no longer.. it was a modified Corvette wing.... they would not
>
> make
>
> The supports.. that was my design... Jr Wilson is still in Monterey
>
> last I heard... not sure if he has any thing on the wing.. my guess
>
> is it made the whole thing himself as he is a machinist and not
>
> afraid
>
> to fab anything
>
> Bob
>
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>
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> To: Henrik Svensson <[3][7]henrik.svensson at intelligo.se>; detomaso
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> <[4][8]detomaso at poca.com>; Bob Benson <[5][9]rcbsons1 at aol.com>
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> Sent: Mon, Aug 10, 2015 8:51 am
>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing
>
> That kinda looks like Bob Benson's wing?
>
> Inline image
>
> Ken
>
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> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 6:44 AM
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> Subject: [DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing
>
> Hi
>
> I'm the current owner of a Jr. Wilson Pantera and I'm thinking of
>
> rebuilding the "crazy" wing he used when running the Silver State
>
> Classic.
>
> Anyone that have any more pictures that could help me recreating it?
>
> [4][9][13]http://www.garaget.org/?car=163523a=2112613
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> Henrik
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I thought the reason for moving the wing back was to get it into the
right kind of airflow?A
On another thought, it would seem that a wing over the center of
gravity of the car would be ideal? It would bias the force effect to
the back of the car(drag acting on a lever) but still provide some
front end downforce.A
Jeff - it's a slow day and my mind is just wandering
6559
On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso
<[1]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
A A ALL rear wings or spoilers reduce front loading since the car
will
A A pivot around its center of balance with applied loads on either
end. A
A A wing like Jr's mounted on brackets behind the chassis simply
has more
A A leverage to do so. One cannot treat the two ends of the car as
A A independent things in this case.
A A As for alignment spec's for radial tires, unless you have
unlimited
A A power, use as little toe-in as safely possible on either end to
reduce
A A tire drag, with at least 4-1/2 degrees of camber for stability.
Don't
A A be surprised if the left & right sides wind up with slightly
different
A A cambers using identical adjustments. And test the new alignment
first!
A A You may not like how it handles. Good luck- J DeRyke
A A -----Original Message-----
A A From: Ken Green via DeTomaso <[2]detomaso at poca.com>
A A To: rcbsons1 <[3]rcbsons1 at aol.com>; henrik.svensson
A A <[4]henrik.svensson at intelligo.se>; detomaso
<[5]detomaso at poca.com>
A A Sent: Mon, Aug 10, 2015 1:20 pm
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing
A A I'd be a little careful about a wing behind the rear axels, the
down
A A force there would reduce the weight on the front wheels.A
Maybe you
A A can't get enough down force from this type of wing to create a
problem,
A A but with a 200 MPH plus car, I'd want to be sure.
A A You might want to talk to Goran
([1][1][6]http://www.hemipanter.se/)A I
A A wouldn't be surprised if he has done some analysis on wings for
A A Panteras.
A A Ken
A A
A __________________________________________________________________
A A From: bens1 via DeTomaso <[2][7]detomaso at poca.com>
A A To: [3][8]kenn_green at yahoo.com;
[4][9]henrik.svensson at intelligo.se;
A A [5][10]detomaso at poca.com
A A Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 9:08 AM
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing
A A A I had mine made (the upper part) about 11 years back and
that company
A A A is no longer.. it was a modified Corvette wing.... they
would not
A A make
A A A The supports.. that was my design... Jr Wilson is still in
Monterey
A A A last I heard... not sure if he has any thing on the wing..
my guess
A A A is it made the whole thing himself as he is a machinist and
not
A A afraid
A A A to fab anything
A A A Bob
A A A -----Original Message-----
A A A From: Ken Green <[2][6][11]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
A A A To: Henrik Svensson
<[3][7][12]henrik.svensson at intelligo.se>; detomaso
A A A <[4][8][13]detomaso at poca.com>; Bob Benson
<[5][9][14]rcbsons1 at aol.com>
A A A Sent: Mon, Aug 10, 2015 8:51 am
A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing
A A A That kinda looks like Bob Benson's wing?
A A A Inline image
A A A Ken
A A A
A __________________________________________________________________
A A A From: Henrik Svensson
<[1][6][10][15]henrik.svensson at intelligo.se>
A A A To: "[2][7][11][16]detomaso at poca.com"
<[3][8][12][17]detomaso at poca.com>
A A A Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 6:44 AM
A A A Subject: [DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing
A A A Hi
A A A I'm the current owner of a Jr. Wilson Pantera and I'm
thinking of
A A A rebuilding the "crazy" wing he used when running the Silver
State
A A A Classic.
A A A Anyone that have any more pictures that could help me
recreating it?
A A A [4][9][13][18]http://www.garaget.org/?car=163523a=2112613
A A A Henrik
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