[DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing

Julian Kift julian_kift at hotmail.com
Tue Aug 11 15:59:26 EDT 2015


Well 4.5 degrees of camber is going to look like one of those ricers with wheels tucked in under the fenders, I'd shoot for 1 degree of camber, but minimum 4.5 digress of caster!

Julian

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 14:50:19 -0400
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing
From: detomaso at poca.com

 ALL rear wings or spoilers reduce front loading since the car will pivot around its center of balance with applied loads on either end. A wing like Jr's mounted on brackets behind the chassis simply has more leverage to do so. One cannot treat the two ends of the car as independent things in this case.
 
 
As for alignment spec's for radial tires, unless you have unlimited power, use as little toe-in as safely possible on either end to reduce tire drag, with at least 4-1/2 degrees of camber for stability. Don't be surprised if the left & right sides wind up with slightly different cambers using identical adjustments. And test the new alignment first! You may not like how it handles. Good luck- J DeRyke
 
 
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From: Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
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Sent: Mon, Aug 10, 2015 1:20 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing
   I'd be a little careful about a wing behind the rear axels, the down 
   force there would reduce the weight on the front wheels.  Maybe you 
   can't get enough down force from this type of wing to create a problem, 
   but with a 200 MPH plus car, I'd want to be sure. 
   You might want to talk to Goran ([1]http://www.hemipanter.se/)  I 
   wouldn't be surprised if he has done some analysis on wings for 
   Panteras. 
   Ken 
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   From: bens1 via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com> 
   To: kenn_green at yahoo.com; henrik.svensson at intelligo.se; 
   detomaso at poca.com 
   Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 9:08 AM 
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing 
     I had mine made (the upper part) about 11 years back and that company 
     is no longer.. it was a modified Corvette wing.... they would not 
   make 
     The supports.. that was my design... Jr Wilson is still in Monterey 
     last I heard... not sure if he has any thing on the wing.. my guess 
     is it made the whole thing himself as he is a machinist and not 
   afraid 
     to fab anything 
     Bob 
     -----Original Message----- 
     From: Ken Green <[2]kenn_green at yahoo.com> 
     To: Henrik Svensson <[3]henrik.svensson at intelligo.se>; detomaso 
     <[4]detomaso at poca.com>; Bob Benson <[5]rcbsons1 at aol.com> 
     Sent: Mon, Aug 10, 2015 8:51 am 
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing 
     That kinda looks like Bob Benson's wing? 
     Inline image 
     Ken 
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     Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 6:44 AM 
     Subject: [DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing 
     Hi 
     I'm the current owner of a Jr. Wilson Pantera and I'm thinking of 
     rebuilding the "crazy" wing he used when running the Silver State 
     Classic. 
     Anyone that have any more pictures that could help me recreating it? 
     [4][9]http://www.garaget.org/?car=163523a=2112613 
     Henrik 
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   7. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 
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   9. http://www.garaget.org/?car=163523&image=2112613 
  10. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 
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   Well 4.5 degrees of camber is going to look like one of those ricers
   with wheels tucked in under the fenders, I'd shoot for 1 degree of
   camber, but minimum 4.5 digress of caster!
   Julian
   To: kenn_green at yahoo.com; rcbsons1 at aol.com;
   henrik.svensson at intelligo.se; detomaso at poca.com
   Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 14:50:19 -0400
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing
   From: detomaso at poca.com
 ALL rear wings or spoilers reduce front loading since the car will pivot around
 its center of balance with applied loads on either end. A wing like Jr's mounte
d on brackets behind the chassis simply has more leverage to do so. One cannot t
reat the two ends of the car as independent things in this case.


As for alignment spec's for radial tires, unless you have unlimited power, use a
s little toe-in as safely possible on either end to reduce tire drag, with at le
ast 4-1/2 degrees of camber for stability. Don't be surprised if the left & righ
t sides wind up with slightly different cambers using identical adjustments. And
 test the new alignment first! You may not like how it handles. Good luck- J DeR
yke


-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
To: rcbsons1 <rcbsons1 at aol.com>; henrik.svensson <henrik.svensson at intel
ligo.se>; detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Mon, Aug 10, 2015 1:20 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing
   I'd be a little careful about a wing behind the rear axels, the down
   force there would reduce the weight on the front wheels.  Maybe you
   can't get enough down force from this type of wing to create a problem,
   but with a 200 MPH plus car, I'd want to be sure.
   You might want to talk to Goran ([1][1]http://www.hemipanter.se/)  I
   wouldn't be surprised if he has done some analysis on wings for
   Panteras.
   Ken
     __________________________________________________________________

   From: bens1 via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
   To: kenn_green at yahoo.com; henrik.svensson at intelligo.se;
   detomaso at poca.com
   Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 9:08 AM
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing
     I had mine made (the upper part) about 11 years back and that company
     is no longer.. it was a modified Corvette wing.... they would not
   make
     The supports.. that was my design... Jr Wilson is still in Monterey
     last I heard... not sure if he has any thing on the wing.. my guess
     is it made the whole thing himself as he is a machinist and not
   afraid
     to fab anything
     Bob
     -----Original Message-----
     From: Ken Green <[2]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
     To: Henrik Svensson <[3]henrik.svensson at intelligo.se>; detomaso
     <[4]detomaso at poca.com>; Bob Benson <[5]rcbsons1 at aol.com>
     Sent: Mon, Aug 10, 2015 8:51 am
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing
     That kinda looks like Bob Benson's wing?
     Inline image
     Ken
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     From: Henrik Svensson <[1][6]henrik.svensson at intelligo.se>
     To: "[2][7]detomaso at poca.com" <[3][8]detomaso at poca.com>
     Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 6:44 AM
     Subject: [DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing
     Hi
     I'm the current owner of a Jr. Wilson Pantera and I'm thinking of
     rebuilding the "crazy" wing he used when running the Silver State
     Classic.
     Anyone that have any more pictures that could help me recreating it?
     [4][9][2]http://www.garaget.org/?car=163523a=2112613
     Henrik
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