[DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing
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ALL rear wings or spoilers reduce front loading since the car will pivot around its center of balance with applied loads on either end. A wing like Jr's mounted on brackets behind the chassis simply has more leverage to do so. One cannot treat the two ends of the car as independent things in this case.
As for alignment spec's for radial tires, unless you have unlimited power, use as little toe-in as safely possible on either end to reduce tire drag, with at least 4-1/2 degrees of camber for stability. Don't be surprised if the left & right sides wind up with slightly different cambers using identical adjustments. And test the new alignment first! You may not like how it handles. Good luck- J DeRyke
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing
I'd be a little careful about a wing behind the rear axels, the down
force there would reduce the weight on the front wheels. Maybe you
can't get enough down force from this type of wing to create a problem,
but with a 200 MPH plus car, I'd want to be sure.
You might want to talk to Goran ([1]http://www.hemipanter.se/) I
wouldn't be surprised if he has done some analysis on wings for
Panteras.
Ken
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing
I had mine made (the upper part) about 11 years back and that company
is no longer.. it was a modified Corvette wing.... they would not
make
The supports.. that was my design... Jr Wilson is still in Monterey
last I heard... not sure if he has any thing on the wing.. my guess
is it made the whole thing himself as he is a machinist and not
afraid
to fab anything
Bob
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing
That kinda looks like Bob Benson's wing?
Inline image
Ken
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Subject: [DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing
Hi
I'm the current owner of a Jr. Wilson Pantera and I'm thinking of
rebuilding the "crazy" wing he used when running the Silver State
Classic.
Anyone that have any more pictures that could help me recreating it?
[4][9]http://www.garaget.org/?car=163523a=2112613
Henrik
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ALL rear wings or spoilers reduce front loading since the car will
pivot around its center of balance with applied loads on either end. A
wing like Jr's mounted on brackets behind the chassis simply has more
leverage to do so. One cannot treat the two ends of the car as
independent things in this case.
As for alignment spec's for radial tires, unless you have unlimited
power, use as little toe-in as safely possible on either end to reduce
tire drag, with at least 4-1/2 degrees of camber for stability. Don't
be surprised if the left & right sides wind up with slightly different
cambers using identical adjustments. And test the new alignment first!
You may not like how it handles. Good luck- J DeRyke
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
To: rcbsons1 <rcbsons1 at aol.com>; henrik.svensson
<henrik.svensson at intelligo.se>; detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Mon, Aug 10, 2015 1:20 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing
I'd be a little careful about a wing behind the rear axels, the down
force there would reduce the weight on the front wheels. Maybe you
can't get enough down force from this type of wing to create a problem,
but with a 200 MPH plus car, I'd want to be sure.
You might want to talk to Goran ([1][1]http://www.hemipanter.se/) I
wouldn't be surprised if he has done some analysis on wings for
Panteras.
Ken
__________________________________________________________________
From: bens1 via DeTomaso <[2]detomaso at poca.com>
To: [3]kenn_green at yahoo.com; [4]henrik.svensson at intelligo.se;
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Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing
I had mine made (the upper part) about 11 years back and that company
is no longer.. it was a modified Corvette wing.... they would not
make
The supports.. that was my design... Jr Wilson is still in Monterey
last I heard... not sure if he has any thing on the wing.. my guess
is it made the whole thing himself as he is a machinist and not
afraid
to fab anything
Bob
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From: Ken Green <[2][6]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
To: Henrik Svensson <[3][7]henrik.svensson at intelligo.se>; detomaso
<[4][8]detomaso at poca.com>; Bob Benson <[5][9]rcbsons1 at aol.com>
Sent: Mon, Aug 10, 2015 8:51 am
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing
That kinda looks like Bob Benson's wing?
Inline image
Ken
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From: Henrik Svensson <[1][6][10]henrik.svensson at intelligo.se>
To: "[2][7][11]detomaso at poca.com" <[3][8][12]detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 6:44 AM
Subject: [DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing
Hi
I'm the current owner of a Jr. Wilson Pantera and I'm thinking of
rebuilding the "crazy" wing he used when running the Silver State
Classic.
Anyone that have any more pictures that could help me recreating it?
[4][9][13]http://www.garaget.org/?car=163523a=2112613
Henrik
#1477
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