[DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing
John Taphorn
jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com
Mon Aug 10 18:55:29 EDT 2015
"I am told by a few that the angle of my wing is not steep enough
to add much downforce so it works for my car...."
Be careful with this one. How well versed are the those who opine in aero? A properly shaped wing will generate downforce with the top side of the wing parallel to the ground. The cord angle will still be angled down giving you the downforce desired. While tipping the nose of the wing down will increase downforce, it increases drag as well limiting top speed. It is a dance and optimal settings depend on objective.
I'm not an expert in wing design. However, I have built them for open wheel racing and played with a lot of settings as driver to learn the obvious is not.
JT
On 8/10/2015 1:44 PM, bens1 via DeTomaso wrote:
> I have run 166 mph
> with no adverse effects but I do have an extender on my gts spoiler to
> help keep my front end down
> I have run with and without the wing on the track and see no difference
> As Mike Drew has stated it is just a fancy coffee bar:)
> I told him that wing has brought a lot of Pantera awareness to the
> rest of the world.. they all know it is a Pantera with a big ass wing
> Bob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> To: rcbsons1 <rcbsons1 at aol.com>; henrik.svensson
> <henrik.svensson at intelligo.se>; detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
> Sent: Mon, Aug 10, 2015 11:25 am
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing
> I'd be a little careful about a wing behind the rear axels, the down
> force there would reduce the weight on the front wheels. Maybe you
> can't get enough down force from this type of wing to create a problem,
> but with a 200 MPH plus car, I'd want to be sure.
> You might want to talk to Goran ( [1]http://www.hemipanter.se/) I
> wouldn't be surprised if he has done some analysis on wings for
> Panteras.
> Ken
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From: bens1 via DeTomaso <[2]detomaso at poca.com>
> To: [3]kenn_green at yahoo.com; [4]henrik.svensson at intelligo.se;
> [5]detomaso at poca.com
> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 9:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing
> I had mine made (the upper part) about 11 years back and that company
> is no longer.. it was a modified Corvette wing.... they would not
> make
> The supports.. that was my design... Jr Wilson is still in Monterey
> last I heard... not sure if he has any thing on the wing.. my guess
> is it made the whole thing himself as he is a machinist and not
> afraid
> to fab anything
> Bob
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Green < [6]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> To: Henrik Svensson < [7]henrik.svensson at intelligo.se>; detomaso
> < [8]detomaso at poca.com>; Bob Benson < [9]rcbsons1 at aol.com>
> Sent: Mon, Aug 10, 2015 8:51 am
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing
> That kinda looks like Bob Benson's wing?
> Inline image
> Ken
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> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 6:44 AM
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing
> Hi
> I'm the current owner of a Jr. Wilson Pantera and I'm thinking of
> rebuilding the "crazy" wing he used when running the Silver State
> Classic.
> Anyone that have any more pictures that could help me recreating it?
> [4] [13]http://www.garaget.org/?car=163523a=2112613
> Henrik
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"I am told by a few that the angle of my wing is not steep enough
to add much downforce so it works for my car...."
Be careful with this one. How well versed are the those who opine in aero? A p
roperly shaped wing will generate downforce with the top side of the wing parall
el to the ground. The cord angle will still be angled down giving you the downf
orce desired. While tipping the nose of the wing down will increase downforce, i
t increases drag as well limiting top speed. It is a dance and optimal settings
depend on objective.
I'm not an expert in wing design. However, I have built them for open wheel rac
ing and played with a lot of settings as driver to learn the obvious is not.
JT
On 8/10/2015 1:44 PM, bens1 via DeTomaso wrote:
I have run 166 mph
with no adverse effects but I do have an extender on my gts spoiler to
help keep my front end down
I have run with and without the wing on the track and see no difference
As Mike Drew has stated it is just a fancy coffee bar:)
I told him that wing has brought a lot of Pantera awareness to the
rest of the world.. they all know it is a Pantera with a big ass wing
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Green [1]<kenn_green at yahoo.com>
To: rcbsons1 [2]<rcbsons1 at aol.com>; henrik.svensson
[3]<henrik.svensson at intelligo.se>; detomaso [4]<detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Mon, Aug 10, 2015 11:25 am
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing
I'd be a little careful about a wing behind the rear axels, the down
force there would reduce the weight on the front wheels. Maybe you
can't get enough down force from this type of wing to create a problem,
but with a 200 MPH plus car, I'd want to be sure.
You might want to talk to Goran ( [1][5]http://www.hemipanter.se/) I
wouldn't be surprised if he has done some analysis on wings for
Panteras.
Ken
__________________________________________________________________
From: bens1 via DeTomaso [6]<[2]detomaso at poca.com>
To: [[7]3]kenn_green at yahoo.com; [[8]4]henrik.svensson at intelligo.se;
[[9]5]detomaso at poca.com
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing
I had mine made (the upper part) about 11 years back and that company
is no longer.. it was a modified Corvette wing.... they would not
make
The supports.. that was my design... Jr Wilson is still in Monterey
last I heard... not sure if he has any thing on the wing.. my guess
is it made the whole thing himself as he is a machinist and not
afraid
to fab anything
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Green < [[10]6]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
To: Henrik Svensson < [[11]7]henrik.svensson at intelligo.se>; detomaso
< [[12]8]detomaso at poca.com>; Bob Benson < [[13]9]rcbsons1 at aol.com>
Sent: Mon, Aug 10, 2015 8:51 am
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing
That kinda looks like Bob Benson's wing?
Inline image
Ken
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To: "[2] [[15]11]detomaso at poca.com" <[3] [[16]12]detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 6:44 AM
Subject: [DeTomaso] Jr. Wilson Pantera wing
Hi
I'm the current owner of a Jr. Wilson Pantera and I'm thinking of
rebuilding the "crazy" wing he used when running the Silver State
Classic.
Anyone that have any more pictures that could help me recreating it?
[4] [13][17]http://www.garaget.org/?car=163523a=2112613
Henrik
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