[DeTomaso] Insurance Coverage Limits
Boyd Casey
boyd411 at gmail.com
Wed Apr 29 21:17:14 EDT 2015
Most" financial planners" I know aren't really financial planners but
insurance salesmen. They specialize in annuities ( which are a form of
insurance) and life insurance. So it's funny for me to hear an "insurance
planner" advise against covering an asset that has increased in value.Maybe
it's because it's coverage that they don't sell! In most of the cases I
have heard discussed we are not talking about chump change . Most of these
people haven't increased their coverage in years. So $40k's worth of
coverage with a current value between $65K and $85 K is not what I would
consider a prudent amount of uninsured risk. After 25 years in the car
business I can say the biggest mistake people make is getting talked into
disability or life insurance on a new auto purchase. It is much smarter to
increase the value of your whole life policy to compensate for the added
liability of a new car purchase. Insuring a collectible for it's full value
(or close to it) is good planning ( whether it's a collectible car or a
piece of art work).Just make sure it's a guaranteed value policy. With $95K
of coverage for $600 and change it's a great value.
Boyd
On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 7:12 PM, Michael Shortt <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
wrote:
> My annual premium is less than 1/2 of 1% of the value of my car,
> prudent because I live in a state where 1 out of 7 motorists (according
> to the police) are uninsured and 1/2 of the remaining cars have min.
> coverage with 25,000 limits.
>
> I'd say that if $400 is gonna kill you, maybe you shouldn't own a
> Pantera.
>
> Michael
>
> On Apr 29, 2015 6:48 PM, "John Taphorn" <[1]jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com>
> wrote:
>
> A A I am a little surprised about the opinion that seems to be
> frequently
> A A vocalized about insuring your one's car to the market value.A
> Insurance
> A A companies are happy to fully insure responsible drivers.A Of
> course
> A A that is how they make money.
> A A I believe that I could have purchased a second Pantera with the
> A A premiums that I have paid over my 35 years of ownership.A My
> point is
> A A that if you you have other assets, it is prudent to self insure
> part of
> A A the car.A The risk to you is only on damages exceeding the
> valuation.
> A A Only insure risks that you can't afford.
> A A I get it if the car represents all your savings and you
> couldn't afford
> A A to replace in the unlikely event it was totaled.A Otherwise,
> not so
> A A much.
> A A As a financial planner, I cringe every time I hear someone
> espouse it
> A A is financially wise to call their insurance agent because their
> car has
> A A gone up in value.A If you got wealth, probably not the prudent
> path.
> A A JT
> A A On 4/29/2015 9:49 AM, Charles McCall wrote:
> A A Don't know, but my classic car insurance company in Spain made
> a
> A A similar request. I sent them ads to justify increasing the
> value on my
> A A policy. After a few, erm, debates they sent an appraiser to
> look at my
> A A car and I'm waiting for his report. In my case, I have more
> interest in
> A A being properly insured than they do, so I did some of the
> legwork to
> A A make sure it was right.
> A A A
> A A I'd be really happy if I could have a policy that says "if my
> car blows
> A A up, I just want another one in the same condition, not more,
> not less".
> A A I don't want to make money or lose money, just make sure that
> my
> A A investment is covered.
> A A On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 4:41 PM, Julian Kift
> A A [1]<[1][2]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
> A A A AA A Send them a link to the Hagerty valuation page, that
> is made up
> A A A of a
> A A A AA A cross section of sales, or a copy of the relevant page
> from
> A A A latest
> A A A AA A Glass's Classic car value guide.
> A A A AA A The question is why do you have to do the legwork and
> become
> A A A their risk
> A A A AA A underwriter? They should be aware of the current
> market values,
> A A A AA A unless you are trying to convince them you have a 1:10
> or so
> A A A that is
> A A A AA A worth signiificantly more?
> A A A AA A Julian
> A A A AA A From: [[2]2][3]michaelsavga at gmail.com
> A A A AA A Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 10:23:11 -0400
> A A A AA A To: [[3]3][4]detomaso at poca.com
> A A A AA A Subject: [DeTomaso] Insurance Coverage Limits
> A A A Greetings all,
> A A A In light of the rapidly rising values of our cars, we need
> to
> A A A establish a
> A A A database of recent sales for comps to supply to carriers.
> A A A My agency Barrett-Jackson ( AIG underwrites it ) is asking.
> A A A If any or all of you can send links to recent sales at any
> location,
> A A A private sale, auction, dealer.
> A A A Please help,
> A A A I'll share all the info.
> A A A Michael Shortt
> A A A --
> A A A Michael L. Shortt
> A A A Savannah, Georgia
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> A A A [[4]5][6]michael at michaelshortt.com
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Most" financial planners" I know aren't really financial planners but
insurance salesmen. They specialize in annuities ( which are a form of
insurance) and life insurance. So it's A funny for me to hear an
"insurance planner" advise against covering an asset that has increased
in value.Maybe it's because it's coverage that they don't sell! In most
of the cases I have heard discussed we are not talking about chump
change . Most of these people haven't increased their coverage in
years. So $40k's worth of coverage with a current value between A $65K
and $85 K is not what I would consider a prudent amount of uninsured
risk. After 25 years in the car business I can say the biggest mistake
people make is getting talked into disability A or life insurance on a
new auto purchase. It is much smarter to increase the value of your
whole life policy to compensate for the added liability of a new car
purchase. Insuring a collectible for it's full value A (or close to it)
is good planning ( whether it's a collectible car or a piece of art
work).Just make sure it's a guaranteed value policy. With $95K of
coverage for $600 and change it's a great value.
Boyd
On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 7:12 PM, Michael Shortt
<[1]michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:
A A My annual premium is less than 1/2 of 1% of the value of my
car,
A A prudent because I live in a state where 1 out of 7 motorists
(according
A A to the police) are uninsured and 1/2 of the remaining cars have
min.
A A coverage with 25,000 limits.
A A I'd say that if $400 is gonna kill you, maybe you shouldn't own
a
A A Pantera.
A A Michael
A A On Apr 29, 2015 6:48 PM, "John Taphorn"
<[1][2]jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com>
A A wrote:
A A A AA A I am a little surprised about the opinion that seems
to be
A A A frequently
A A A AA A vocalized about insuring your one's car to the market
value.A
A A A Insurance
A A A AA A companies are happy to fully insure responsible
drivers.AA Of
A A A course
A A A AA A that is how they make money.
A A A AA A I believe that I could have purchased a second Pantera
with the
A A A AA A premiums that I have paid over my 35 years of
ownership.AA My
A A A point is
A A A AA A that if you you have other assets, it is prudent to
self insure
A A A part of
A A A AA A the car.AA The risk to you is only on damages
exceeding the
A A A valuation.
A A A AA A Only insure risks that you can't afford.
A A A AA A I get it if the car represents all your savings and
you
A A A couldn't afford
A A A AA A to replace in the unlikely event it was totaled.AA
Otherwise,
A A A not so
A A A AA A much.
A A A AA A As a financial planner, I cringe every time I hear
someone
A A A espouse it
A A A AA A is financially wise to call their insurance agent
because their
A A A car has
A A A AA A gone up in value.AA If you got wealth, probably not
the prudent
A A A path.
A A A AA A JT
A A A AA A On 4/29/2015 9:49 AM, Charles McCall wrote:
A A A AA A Don't know, but my classic car insurance company in
Spain made
A A A a
A A A AA A similar request. I sent them ads to justify increasing
the
A A A value on my
A A A AA A policy. After a few, erm, debates they sent an
appraiser to
A A A look at my
A A A AA A car and I'm waiting for his report. In my case, I have
more
A A A interest in
A A A AA A being properly insured than they do, so I did some of
the
A A A legwork to
A A A AA A make sure it was right.
A A A AA A A
A A A AA A I'd be really happy if I could have a policy that says
"if my
A A A car blows
A A A AA A up, I just want another one in the same condition, not
more,
A A A not less".
A A A AA A I don't want to make money or lose money, just make
sure that
A A A my
A A A AA A investment is covered.
A A A AA A On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 4:41 PM, Julian Kift
A A A AA A [1]<[1][2][3]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
A A A AA AA A AAA A Send them a link to the Hagerty valuation
page, that
A A A is made up
A A A AA AA A of a
A A A AA AA A AAA A cross section of sales, or a copy of the
relevant page
A A A from
A A A AA AA A latest
A A A AA AA A AAA A Glass's Classic car value guide.
A A A AA AA A AAA A The question is why do you have to do the
legwork and
A A A become
A A A AA AA A their risk
A A A AA AA A AAA A underwriter? They should be aware of the
current
A A A market values,
A A A AA AA A AAA A unless you are trying to convince them you
have a 1:10
A A A or so
A A A AA AA A that is
A A A AA AA A AAA A worth signiificantly more?
A A A AA AA A AAA A Julian
A A A AA AA A AAA A From: [[2]2][3][4]michaelsavga at gmail.com
A A A AA AA A AAA A Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 10:23:11 -0400
A A A AA AA A AAA A To: [[3]3][4][5]detomaso at poca.com
A A A AA AA A AAA A Subject: [DeTomaso] Insurance Coverage
Limits
A A A AA AA A Greetings all,
A A A AA AA A In light of the rapidly rising values of our cars,
we need
A A A to
A A A AA AA A establish a
A A A AA AA A database of recent sales for comps to supply to
carriers.
A A A AA AA A My agency Barrett-Jackson ( AIG underwrites it )
is asking.
A A A AA AA A If any or all of you can send links to recent
sales at any
A A A location,
A A A AA AA A private sale, auction, dealer.
A A A AA AA A Please help,
A A A AA AA A I'll share all the info.
A A A AA AA A Michael Shortt
A A A AA AA A --
A A A AA AA A Michael L. Shortt
A A A AA AA A Savannah, Georgia
A A A AA AA A [4][5][6]www.michaelshortt.com
A A A AA AA A [[4]5][6][7]michael at michaelshortt.com
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