[DeTomaso] Insurance Coverage Limits

Michael Shortt michaelsavga at gmail.com
Wed Apr 29 14:29:28 EDT 2015


Yes and you did it without links to actual real life sales that can be
substantiated.

Those are needed to verify values and since last year, prices have soared
another 15-20%

So rather than poop all over the effort, help me help all of us.

Thanks,

Michael


On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>
wrote:

>    I thought so, but when you get to be my age, one can't remember things
>    as well as one used to, and one may find oneself repeating things!
>    No only that, but when you get to be my age, one can't remember things
>    as well as one used to, and one may find oneself repeating things!
>    Chris
>    > Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 18:16:50 +0000
>    > From: asajay at asajay.com
>    > To: chrisvkimball at msn.com
>    > CC: detomaso at poca.com
>    > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Insurance Coverage Limits
>    >
>    > Yes, we already beat this to death last year.
>    > Asa
>    >
>    >
>    > Quoting Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>:
>    >
>    > > Are you with Hagerty? I have $75,000 agreed value for about
>    $500/yr.
>    > > Chris
>    > >
>    > >> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 16:50:42 +0000
>    > >> From: asajay at asajay.com
>    > >> To: detomaso at poca.com
>    > >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Insurance Coverage Limits
>    > >>
>    > >> Wow, really?
>    > >> I increased mine from $21k to $50k last year and my premium went
>    up
>    > >> $500. I tried other insurers but they didn't like the fact I've
>    raced
>    > >> it, recently. So now I'm stuck with a high premium.
>    > >>
>    > >>
>    > >> Asa Jay
>    > >>
>    > >>
>    > >> Quoting Larry Weston <lplugw at hotmail.com>:
>    > >>
>    > >> > Called Hagerty and bumped my agreed value coverage to $80k,
>    based on
>    > >> > their valuation page.
>    > >> >
>    > >> > I was pitifully low at $35k coverage (purchase price in 2006).
>    > >> >
>    > >> > $83 more a year and they want a recent photo for their file.
>    > >> >
>    > >> > From: michaelsavga at gmail.com
>    > >> > Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 10:57:51 -0400
>    > >> > To: charlesmccall at gmail.com
>    > >> > CC: detomaso at poca.com
>    > >> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Insurance Coverage Limits
>    > >> >
>    > >> > Because I feel that mine is worth more and I see the rising
>    values,
>    > >> >
>    > >> > all of them will eventually be asking if you are smart enough to
>    keep your
>    > >> > coverage
>    > >> >
>    > >> > in line with market pricing.
>    > >> >
>    > >> > My engine alone is worth a great deal and if not me, who?
>    > >> >
>    > >> > Links would be appreciated, anecdotal values won't help much.
>    > >> >
>    > >> > Thanks
>    > >> >
>    > >> > Michael
>    > >> >
>    > >> >
>    > >> > On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Charles McCall
>    <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>    > >> > wrote:
>    > >> >
>    > >> >> Don't know, but my classic car insurance company in Spain made
>    a similar
>    > >> >> request. I sent them ads to justify increasing the value on my
>    policy.
>    > >> >> After a few, erm, debates they sent an appraiser to look at my
>    > >> car and I'm
>    > >> >> waiting for his report. In my case, I have more interest in
>    > >> being properly
>    > >> >> insured than they do, so I did some of the legwork to make sure
>    it was
>    > >> >> right.
>    > >> >>
>    > >> >> I'd be really happy if I could have a policy that says "if my
>    car blows
>    > >> >> up, I just want another one in the same condition, not more,
>    not less". I
>    > >> >> don't want to make money or lose money, just make sure that my
>    investment
>    > >> >> is covered.
>    > >> >>
>    > >> >> On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 4:41 PM, Julian Kift
>    <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>    > >> >> wrote:
>    > >> >>
>    > >> >>> Send them a link to the Hagerty valuation page, that is made
>    up of a
>    > >> >>> cross section of sales, or a copy of the relevant page from
>    latest
>    > >> >>> Glass's Classic car value guide.
>    > >> >>>
>    > >> >>> The question is why do you have to do the legwork and become
>    > >> their risk
>    > >> >>> underwriter? They should be aware of the current market
>    values,
>    > >> >>> unless you are trying to convince them you have a 1:10 or so
>    that is
>    > >> >>> worth signiificantly more?
>    > >> >>>
>    > >> >>> Julian
>    > >> >>>
>    > >> >>>
>    > >> >>> From: michaelsavga at gmail.com
>    > >> >>> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 10:23:11 -0400
>    > >> >>> To: detomaso at poca.com
>    > >> >>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Insurance Coverage Limits
>    > >> >>> Greetings all,
>    > >> >>>
>    > >> >>> In light of the rapidly rising values of our cars, we need to
>    > >> establish a
>    > >> >>> database of recent sales for comps to supply to carriers.
>    > >> >>>
>    > >> >>> My agency Barrett-Jackson ( AIG underwrites it ) is asking.
>    > >> >>>
>    > >> >>> If any or all of you can send links to recent sales at any
>    location,
>    > >> >>> private sale, auction, dealer.
>    > >> >>>
>    > >> >>> Please help,
>    > >> >>>
>    > >> >>> I'll share all the info.
>    > >> >>>
>    > >> >>> Michael Shortt
>    > >> >>>
>    > >> >>> --
>    > >> >>>
>    > >> >>>
>    > >> >>>
>    > >> >>>
>    > >> >>>
>    > >> >>>
>    > >> >>>
>    > >> >>> Michael L. Shortt
>    > >> >>> Savannah, Georgia
>    > >> >>> www.michaelshortt.com
>    > >> >>> michael at michaelshortt.com
>    > >> >>> 912-232-9390
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   Yes and you did it without links to actual real life sales that can be
   substantiated.
   Those are needed to verify values and since last year, prices have
   soared another 15-20%
   So rather than poop all over the effort, help me help all of us.
   Thanks,
   Michael

   On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Christopher Kimball
   <[1]chrisvkimball at msn.com> wrote:

     A  A I thought so, but when you get to be my age, one can't remember
     things
     A  A as well as one used to, and one may find oneself repeating
     things!
     A  A No only that, but when you get to be my age, one can't remember
     things
     A  A as well as one used to, and one may find oneself repeating
     things!
     A  A Chris
     A  A > Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 18:16:50 +0000
     A  A > From: [2]asajay at asajay.com
     A  A > To: [3]chrisvkimball at msn.com

   A  A > CC: [4]detomaso at poca.com
   A  A > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Insurance Coverage Limits
   A  A >
   A  A > Yes, we already beat this to death last year.
   A  A > Asa
   A  A >
   A  A >
   A  A > Quoting Christopher Kimball <[5]chrisvkimball at msn.com>:
   A  A >
   A  A > > Are you with Hagerty? I have $75,000 agreed value for about
   A  A $500/yr.
   A  A > > Chris
   A  A > >
   A  A > >> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 16:50:42 +0000
   A  A > >> From: [6]asajay at asajay.com
   A  A > >> To: [7]detomaso at poca.com
   A  A > >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Insurance Coverage Limits
   A  A > >>
   A  A > >> Wow, really?
   A  A > >> I increased mine from $21k to $50k last year and my premium
   went
   A  A up
   A  A > >> $500. I tried other insurers but they didn't like the fact
   I've
   A  A raced
   A  A > >> it, recently. So now I'm stuck with a high premium.
   A  A > >>
   A  A > >>
   A  A > >> Asa Jay
   A  A > >>
   A  A > >>
   A  A > >> Quoting Larry Weston <[8]lplugw at hotmail.com>:
   A  A > >>
   A  A > >> > Called Hagerty and bumped my agreed value coverage to $80k,
   A  A based on
   A  A > >> > their valuation page.
   A  A > >> >
   A  A > >> > I was pitifully low at $35k coverage (purchase price in
   2006).
   A  A > >> >
   A  A > >> > $83 more a year and they want a recent photo for their
   file.
   A  A > >> >
   A  A > >> > From: [9]michaelsavga at gmail.com
   A  A > >> > Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 10:57:51 -0400
   A  A > >> > To: [10]charlesmccall at gmail.com
   A  A > >> > CC: [11]detomaso at poca.com
   A  A > >> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Insurance Coverage Limits
   A  A > >> >
   A  A > >> > Because I feel that mine is worth more and I see the rising
   A  A values,
   A  A > >> >
   A  A > >> > all of them will eventually be asking if you are smart
   enough to
   A  A keep your
   A  A > >> > coverage
   A  A > >> >
   A  A > >> > in line with market pricing.
   A  A > >> >
   A  A > >> > My engine alone is worth a great deal and if not me, who?
   A  A > >> >
   A  A > >> > Links would be appreciated, anecdotal values won't help
   much.
   A  A > >> >
   A  A > >> > Thanks
   A  A > >> >
   A  A > >> > Michael
   A  A > >> >
   A  A > >> >
   A  A > >> > On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Charles McCall
   A  A <[12]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
   A  A > >> > wrote:
   A  A > >> >
   A  A > >> >> Don't know, but my classic car insurance company in Spain
   made
   A  A a similar
   A  A > >> >> request. I sent them ads to justify increasing the value
   on my
   A  A policy.
   A  A > >> >> After a few, erm, debates they sent an appraiser to look
   at my
   A  A > >> car and I'm
   A  A > >> >> waiting for his report. In my case, I have more interest
   in
   A  A > >> being properly
   A  A > >> >> insured than they do, so I did some of the legwork to make
   sure
   A  A it was
   A  A > >> >> right.
   A  A > >> >>
   A  A > >> >> I'd be really happy if I could have a policy that says "if
   my
   A  A car blows
   A  A > >> >> up, I just want another one in the same condition, not
   more,
   A  A not less". I
   A  A > >> >> don't want to make money or lose money, just make sure
   that my
   A  A investment
   A  A > >> >> is covered.
   A  A > >> >>
   A  A > >> >> On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 4:41 PM, Julian Kift
   A  A <[13]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   A  A > >> >> wrote:
   A  A > >> >>
   A  A > >> >>> Send them a link to the Hagerty valuation page, that is
   made
   A  A up of a
   A  A > >> >>> cross section of sales, or a copy of the relevant page
   from
   A  A latest
   A  A > >> >>> Glass's Classic car value guide.
   A  A > >> >>>
   A  A > >> >>> The question is why do you have to do the legwork and
   become
   A  A > >> their risk
   A  A > >> >>> underwriter? They should be aware of the current market
   A  A values,
   A  A > >> >>> unless you are trying to convince them you have a 1:10 or
   so
   A  A that is
   A  A > >> >>> worth signiificantly more?
   A  A > >> >>>
   A  A > >> >>> Julian
   A  A > >> >>>
   A  A > >> >>>
   A  A > >> >>> From: [14]michaelsavga at gmail.com
   A  A > >> >>> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 10:23:11 -0400
   A  A > >> >>> To: [15]detomaso at poca.com
   A  A > >> >>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Insurance Coverage Limits
   A  A > >> >>> Greetings all,
   A  A > >> >>>
   A  A > >> >>> In light of the rapidly rising values of our cars, we
   need to
   A  A > >> establish a
   A  A > >> >>> database of recent sales for comps to supply to carriers.
   A  A > >> >>>
   A  A > >> >>> My agency Barrett-Jackson ( AIG underwrites it ) is
   asking.
   A  A > >> >>>
   A  A > >> >>> If any or all of you can send links to recent sales at
   any
   A  A location,
   A  A > >> >>> private sale, auction, dealer.
   A  A > >> >>>
   A  A > >> >>> Please help,
   A  A > >> >>>
   A  A > >> >>> I'll share all the info.
   A  A > >> >>>
   A  A > >> >>> Michael Shortt
   A  A > >> >>>
   A  A > >> >>> --
   A  A > >> >>>
   A  A > >> >>>
   A  A > >> >>>
   A  A > >> >>>
   A  A > >> >>>
   A  A > >> >>>
   A  A > >> >>>
   A  A > >> >>> Michael L. Shortt
   A  A > >> >>> Savannah, Georgia
   A  A > >> >>> [16]www.michaelshortt.com
   A  A > >> >>> [17]michael at michaelshortt.com
   A  A > >> >>> [18]912-232-9390
   A  A > >> >>>
   A  A > >> >>>
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   A  A Privacy
   A  A > >> >>> Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be
   A  A legally
   A  A > >> >>> privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you
   are
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   A  A > >> >>> notified
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   A  A > >> > Savannah, Georgia
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  15. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
  16. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
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