[DeTomaso] "Nascar " engine balance question for a race Pantera

Steve Richardson ritzson1955 at yahoo.com
Mon Apr 13 16:51:40 EDT 2015


Beware of the distance the dry sump pump drive pulley sticks out. It will run into the firewall. Steve

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> On Apr 13, 2015, at 2:28 PM, Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
> 
>   I have a friend who ran a Vintage NASCAR for a while, and who
>   vintages races a real GT350.  He said a dropped valve was a common
>   failure, so make sure you put in new valve springs, even if the
>   old springs still measure to have the spec pressure.  He said he
>   stayed at or below 7,000 RPM and his engines lasted for a while, and
>   usually just needed freshening.
>   640 HP isn't much for a NASCAR motor, do you know what series it was
>   run in?  There might be some funky rules for the class it was in, you
>   might want to make sure you don't limit yourself by what was in the
>   engine.  It seems odd, but I have read that NASCAR requires solid
>   lifters.  I'm not sure why.  I would not assume that the parts were
>   chosen to make the best engine.
>   Do you have a list of parts that are in the engine?
>   Do you have the engine roles for the class(es) you will run it?
>   I suspect Dan Jones can offer some really good advice if he has enough
>   information.
>   Ken
>     __________________________________________________________________
> 
>   From: Patrick HALS <patrickhals at gmail.com>
>   To: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
>   Cc: DeTomaso at poca.com; Guy & Denise Trigaux <gdt2860 at gmail.com>
>   Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 10:01 AM
>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] "Nascar " engine balance question for a race
>   Pantera
>     Hi Ken,A
>     Thanks for the very quick reply.A
>     You are right... but I'd better have a dozen of coherent and
>   identical
>     US second advises than just trusting a reputable European engine
>     builder who has built 25 Cleveland in his 40 years carreer. That's
>   what
>     a US builder does in one year or so... . I have experienced several
>     disappointments in building even street engines in the EU, that I had
>     all my race enginesA satisfactorilyA built in the US, even if,
>     sometimes, there are some troubles. Life is like that. Nobody said
>     building engines and putting them in a race car ( even a Pantera )
>   are
>     an exact science... Especially when it comes to about 100 HP per
>   liter
>     with a normally aspirated engine whose conception dates back from the
>     60's. Look at Formula One or World Endurance Championship ( WEC )
>     A today, There, we are talking about the best engineers worldwide ,
>   and
>     practically a no limit budget . There is a persistant rumour saying
>     that Mercedes Benz left a one billion euros cheque on the table for
>   its
>     F1 hybrid A engine.A
>     Asking "obvious" questions to the Forum has always been THE solution
>     for me when I was " desperate" : fast, experienced , detailed,
>   accurate
>     AND friendly ! I cannot thank my Forum friends enough ! The Forum
>   saved
>     " my life " overnight for Le Mans Classic 2008 with Candy, I will
>   never
>     forget that .
>     Pat
>     Patrick Hals
>     +32.476.567.898
>     2015-04-13 17:59 GMT+02:00 Ken Green <[1][1]kenn_green at yahoo.com>:
>     Hi Pat,
>     If it's internally balanced, I think it should be a neutral balance
>     (not the 20 oz balance)A flywheel.A A Cleveland and Windsor should be
>     the same, but with a ZF, you need a 164 tooth flywheel.A  A lot of
>     flywheels have removable weights, so you just take off whatever
>   weight
>     is on it.A  If you want it really good, have the flywheel and
>   pressure
>     plate balanced together toA zero.
>     If the engine builder there does not already know this, he probably
>   is
>     not the right builder for your engine.
>     Ken
>     A
>       __________________________________________________________________
>     From: Patrick HALS <[2][2]patrickhals at gmail.com>
>     To: [3][3]DeTomaso at poca.com
>     Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 8:34 AM
>     Subject: [DeTomaso] "Nascar " engine balance question for a race
>     Pantera
>     A  I have closed my relationship with my "fancy and moody " US engine
>     A  builder . Those who know him had warned me about him a long time
>   ago
>     A  and I must now admit that they were partially right ... After the
>     good
>     A  part, I now take the worse part, and the "fancy" bill, of course
>     :>((
>     A  This " gentleman" sent me back my unfinished race engine at my
>     request.
>     A  It A "only " needs flywheel, dry sump system and clutch.
>     A  Here is what he writes to me : "As far as balancing the motor, it
>   is
>     an
>     A  internally balanced motor.AA  If you have further questions
>     regarding
>     A  how to set up this motor or finish, please refer to the mechanics
>     your
>     A  are using locally as I have stated previously, our professional
>     A  relationship is over."
>     A  US engine builders are so used in building Ford V8 engines that I
>     A  always had my race engines built in the US vs.EU, despite what I
>   was
>     A  advised over here. I shall have this engine finished over here,
>   but
>     A  would like to be sure of what a local ( competent ) builder will
>     tell
>     A  me to finish this (expensive) engine will be the right solution.
>     What
>     A  do I need in terms of flywheel? It is a Windsor based engine, NOT
>   a
>     A  Cleveland ( see pics ) . When I bought it ( broken ) three years
>     ago,
>     A  it was supposedly delivering 640 HP.... But it has now been fully
>     A  redone, while keeping the " good" pieces
>     A  Many thanks for your advises.
>     A  Pat
>     A  Patrick Hals
>     A  +32.476.567.898
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