[DeTomaso] polish ZF cost estimate

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 From: "shawkins777 at comcast.net" <shawkins777 at comcast.net>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] polish ZF cost estimate
 

   They'll know it at the car show.
   Steve
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   From: "forum, Pantera" <detomaso at poca.com>
   To: "Julian Kift" <julian_kift at hotmail.com>, "MikeLDrew"
   <mikeldrew at aol.com>, "Charles Engles" <cengles at cox.net>
   Cc: "forum, Pantera" <detomaso at poca.com>, michael at michaelshortt.com
   Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 3:51:40 PM
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] polish ZF cost estimate
   When you are running at 140/150 at SSCC or BBORR who will know if it is
   polished?

   Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be
   ! )
   ________________________________
    From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   To: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" <mikeldrew at aol.com>; Charles Engles
   <cengles at cox.net>
   Cc: De Tomaso List <detomaso at poca.com>; "michael at michaelshortt.com"
   <michael at michaelshortt.com>
   Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 1:22 PM
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] polish ZF cost estimate

      Let's face it polishing requires a lot of fine grit wet & dry
      sandpaper, rags, metal polishes (of varying grit) and a lot of elbow
      grease full stop. You can either put in that effort or pay for the
   wear
      and tear on someone elses elbows.
      What we haven't talked about is what you set yourself up for in
      continued maintenance by having a polished ZF. You are at some point
      going to have to put in more elbow grease to maintain that shiny
   look,
      unless of course you are either a) of sufficient economic stature
   and
      wealth you "Have people to do that for you" or b) want to take the
   ZF
      out each year for a repolish.
      Of course you could try to seal the polished surface, but I think
   that
      raises even more concerns on sealing in heat.
      Julian
      > Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 10:48:02 -0700
      > To: cengles at cox.net
      > CC: detomaso at poca.com; michael at michaelshortt.com
      > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] polish ZF cost estimate
      > From: detomaso at poca.com
      >
      > Another thought--polishing requires a lot of manipulation and it
      would be easy to drop the gearbox and damage it.
      >
      > Dumb idea in other words. :)
      >
      > Masochists have don't it in the car but they are relying on rags,
      metal polish and elbow grease....
      >
      > Mike
      >
      > Sent from my iPhone
      >
      > On Sep 14, 2014, at 10:38, "Charles Engles" <cengles at cox.net>
   wrote:
      >
      > > Dear Guys,
      > >
      > >
      > > One other consideration of the polisher working on a fully
      assembled and presumably, fully functional, *expensive* ZF: if after
   a
      careful and proper polish job *any* malfunction or problem occurs
   with
      the pretty polished ZF, then all eyes and finger would point to the
      polisher. He probably wouldn't want that grief and headache.
      > >
      > >
      > > Worst case scenario, Chuck Engles
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > -----Original Message-----
      > > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
    michael at michaelshortt.com
      > > Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 9:34 AM
      > > To: boyd casey
      > > Cc: Mike Drew; detomaso at poca.com
      > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] polish ZF cost estimate
      > >
      > > IMHO...I think it would just be a big PIA, so heavy and hard to
      move around in the multistep process.
      > >
      > > Michael
      > > On Sep 14, 2014 9:56 AM, "Boyd Casey" <boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
      > >
      > >> Mike,
      > >> Do you think that polishing a fully assembled ZF presents A a
   risk
      to
      > >> damaging the transaxle? You mentioned people polishing a Trans
      axle
      > >> while it was still installed. I have posted warnings against
   sand
      > >> blasting and even wet bead blasting while one has an engine or
      > >> transaxle installed. I know from A information passed on to me
   by
      my
      > >> friend who owns a new water based glass bead blasting business
      that
      > >> even with substantial efforts made to protect the engine or
   tranny
      it
      > >> is very easy to have a A nominal amount of glass beading find
   it's
      way
      > >> into the engine or transmission and that's A the death knoll
   for
      > >> either. A I wasn't aware of similar risks to the ZF A due to
      polishing.
      > >> Thanks,
      > >> Boyd
      > >>
      > >> On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 12:58 AM, Mike Drew
   <[1]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
      > >> wrote:
      > >>
      > >> I think Lloyd Butfoy charges $1200 for polishing. Of course he
      would
      > >> never do it with the gearbox assembled.
      > >> I double any professional polisher will either.
      > >> Mike
      > >> Sent from my iPhone
      > >>
      > >> On Sep 13, 2014, at 21:55, Boyd Casey <[2]boyd411 at gmail.com>
      wrote:
      > >>> A A Just out of curiosity, I know there will be a wide
   variance
      but
      > >> what do
      > >>> A A you think we be a reasonable price to polish a fully
      assembled zf
      > >> dash
      > >>> A A -2 with bell housing outside the car. Detached from the
   motor
      and
      > >>> A A delivered to a polishing shop. Do you think it would be
      necessary
      > >> to
      > >>> A A take any steps to protect the ZF from intrusion of polish
   or
      any
      > >> other
      > >>> A A potential problems?
      > >>
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      > >> References
      > >>
      > >> 1. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
      > >> 2. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com
      > >> 3. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
      > >> 4. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com



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   ! )
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   From: "shawkins777 at comcast.net" <shawkins777 at comcast.net>
   To:
   Cc: "forum, Pantera" <detomaso at poca.com>
   Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 6:47 PM
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] polish ZF cost estimate
     They'll know it at the car show.
     Steve
       __________________________________________________________________
     From: "forum, Pantera" <[1]detomaso at poca.com>
     To: "Julian Kift" <[2]julian_kift at hotmail.com>, "MikeLDrew"
     <[3]mikeldrew at aol.com>, "Charles Engles" <[4]cengles at cox.net>
     Cc: "forum, Pantera" <[5]detomaso at poca.com>,
   [6]michael at michaelshortt.com
     Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 3:51:40 PM
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] polish ZF cost estimate
     When you are running at 140/150 at SSCC or BBORR who will know if it
   is
     polished?
     Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not
   be
     ! )
     ________________________________
       From: Julian Kift <[7]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
     To: "[8]MikeLDrew at aol.com" <[9]mikeldrew at aol.com>; Charles Engles
     <[10]cengles at cox.net>
     Cc: De Tomaso List <[11]detomaso at poca.com>;
   "[12]michael at michaelshortt.com"
     <[13]michael at michaelshortt.com>
     Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 1:22 PM
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] polish ZF cost estimate
         Let's face it polishing requires a lot of fine grit wet & dry
         sandpaper, rags, metal polishes (of varying grit) and a lot of
   elbow
         grease full stop. You can either put in that effort or pay for
   the
     wear
         and tear on someone elses elbows.
         What we haven't talked about is what you set yourself up for in
         continued maintenance by having a polished ZF. You are at some
   point
         going to have to put in more elbow grease to maintain that shiny
     look,
         unless of course you are either a) of sufficient economic stature
     and
         wealth you "Have people to do that for you" or b) want to take
   the
     ZF
         out each year for a repolish.
         Of course you could try to seal the polished surface, but I think
     that
         raises even more concerns on sealing in heat.
         Julian
         > Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 10:48:02 -0700
         > To: [14]cengles at cox.net
         > CC: [15]detomaso at poca.com; [16]michael at michaelshortt.com
         > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] polish ZF cost estimate
         > From: [17]detomaso at poca.com
         >
         > Another thought--polishing requires a lot of manipulation and
   it
         would be easy to drop the gearbox and damage it.
         >
         > Dumb idea in other words. :)
         >
         > Masochists have don't it in the car but they are relying on
   rags,
         metal polish and elbow grease....
         >
         > Mike
         >
         > Sent from my iPhone
         >
         > On Sep 14, 2014, at 10:38, "Charles Engles"
   <[18]cengles at cox.net>
     wrote:
         >
         > > Dear Guys,
         > >
         > >
         > > One other consideration of the polisher working on a fully
         assembled and presumably, fully functional, *expensive* ZF: if
   after
     a
         careful and proper polish job *any* malfunction or problem occurs
     with
         the pretty polished ZF, then all eyes and finger would point to
   the
         polisher. He probably wouldn't want that grief and headache.
         > >
         > >
         > > Worst case scenario, Chuck Engles
         > >
         > >
         > >
         > >
         > > -----Original Message-----
         > > From: DeTomaso [mailto:[19]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On
   Behalf Of
       [20]michael at michaelshortt.com
         > > Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 9:34 AM
         > > To: boyd casey
         > > Cc: Mike Drew; [21]detomaso at poca.com
         > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] polish ZF cost estimate
         > >
         > > IMHO...I think it would just be a big PIA, so heavy and hard
   to
         move around in the multistep process.
         > >
         > > Michael
         > > On Sep 14, 2014 9:56 AM, "Boyd Casey" <[22]boyd411 at gmail.com>
   wrote:
         > >
         > >> Mike,
         > >> Do you think that polishing a fully assembled ZF presents A
   a
     risk
         to
         > >> damaging the transaxle? You mentioned people polishing a
   Trans
         axle
         > >> while it was still installed. I have posted warnings against
     sand
         > >> blasting and even wet bead blasting while one has an engine
   or
         > >> transaxle installed. I know from A information passed on to
   me
     by
         my
         > >> friend who owns a new water based glass bead blasting
   business
         that
         > >> even with substantial efforts made to protect the engine or
     tranny
         it
         > >> is very easy to have a A nominal amount of glass beading
   find
     it's
         way
         > >> into the engine or transmission and that's A the death knoll
     for
         > >> either. A I wasn't aware of similar risks to the ZF A due to
         polishing.
         > >> Thanks,
         > >> Boyd
         > >>
         > >> On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 12:58 AM, Mike Drew
     <[1][23]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
         > >> wrote:
         > >>
         > >> I think Lloyd Butfoy charges $1200 for polishing. Of course
   he
         would
         > >> never do it with the gearbox assembled.
         > >> I double any professional polisher will either.
         > >> Mike
         > >> Sent from my iPhone
         > >>
         > >> On Sep 13, 2014, at 21:55, Boyd Casey
   <[2][24]boyd411 at gmail.com>
         wrote:
         > >>> A A Just out of curiosity, I know there will be a wide
     variance
         but
         > >> what do
         > >>> A A you think we be a reasonable price to polish a fully
         assembled zf
         > >> dash
         > >>> A A -2 with bell housing outside the car. Detached from the
     motor
         and
         > >>> A A delivered to a polishing shop. Do you think it would be
         necessary
         > >> to
         > >>> A A take any steps to protect the ZF from intrusion of
   polish
     or
         any
         > >> other
         > >>> A A potential problems?
         > >>
         > >>> _______________________________________________
         > >>>
         > >>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
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         > >>
         > >> References
         > >>
         > >> 1. mailto:[27]MikeLDrew at aol.com
         > >> 2. mailto:[28]boyd411 at gmail.com
         > >> 3. mailto:[29]DeTomaso at poca.com
         > >> 4. [30]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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   5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
   6. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
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