[DeTomaso] polish ZF cost estimate
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I vote for black.
Michael
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 7:16 PM, Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
> An unrelated question. Since I am having a rebuilt engine installed (a
> 408 stroked Cleveland, SVO A-3 heads, A331 intake, 180 degree ceramic
> coated headers, custom built carb . My engine compartment is totally
> refinished with painted surfaces (in black) SS. fire wall cover SS bottles
> and water pipes. What is the consensus concerning the engine block paint.
> Should I go with standard Ford blue, black to match the engine compartment
> or some other color?
>
> On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Maybe air coming up from under the car doesn't hit as much turbulence
>> from the now blingy polished surfaces, so you can go faster :>) That's
>> probably why a polished ZF gets hotter!
>> __________________________________________________________________
>>
>> Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 13:51:40 -0700
>> From: b.hower3400 at yahoo.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] polish ZF cost estimate
>> To: julian_kift at hotmail.com; mikeldrew at aol.com; cengles at cox.net
>> CC: detomaso at poca.com; michael at michaelshortt.com
>> When you are running at 140/150 at SSCC or BBORR who will know if it is
>> polished?
>>
>> Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be
>> ! )
>> __________________________________________________________________
>>
>> From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>> To: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" <mikeldrew at aol.com>; Charles Engles
>> <cengles at cox.net>
>> Cc: De Tomaso List <detomaso at poca.com>; "michael at michaelshortt.com"
>> <michael at michaelshortt.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 1:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] polish ZF cost estimate
>> Let's face it polishing requires a lot of fine grit wet & dry
>> sandpaper, rags, metal polishes (of varying grit) and a lot of elbow
>> grease full stop. You can either put in that effort or pay for the
>> wear
>> and tear on someone elses elbows.
>> What we haven't talked about is what you set yourself up for in
>> continued maintenance by having a polished ZF. You are at some point
>> going to have to put in more elbow grease to maintain that shiny
>> look,
>> unless of course you are either a) of sufficient economic stature and
>> wealth you "Have people to do that for you" or b) want to take the ZF
>> out each year for a repolish.
>> Of course you could try to seal the polished surface, but I think
>> that
>> raises even more concerns on sealing in heat.
>> Julian
>> > Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 10:48:02 -0700
>> > To: [1]cengles at cox.net
>> > CC: [2]detomaso at poca.com; [3]michael at michaelshortt.com
>> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] polish ZF cost estimate
>> > From: [4]detomaso at poca.com
>> >
>> > Another thought--polishing requires a lot of manipulation and it
>> would be easy to drop the gearbox and damage it.
>> >
>> > Dumb idea in other words. :)
>> >
>> > Masochists have don't it in the car but they are relying on rags,
>> metal polish and elbow grease....
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > On Sep 14, 2014, at 10:38, "Charles Engles" <[5]cengles at cox.net>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Dear Guys,
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > One other consideration of the polisher working on a fully
>> assembled and presumably, fully functional, *expensive* ZF: if after
>> a
>> careful and proper polish job *any* malfunction or problem occurs
>> with
>> the pretty polished ZF, then all eyes and finger would point to the
>> polisher. He probably wouldn't want that grief and headache.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Worst case scenario, Chuck Engles
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: DeTomaso [mailto:[6]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf
>> Of
>> [7]michael at michaelshortt.com
>> > > Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 9:34 AM
>> > > To: boyd casey
>> > > Cc: Mike Drew; [8]detomaso at poca.com
>> > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] polish ZF cost estimate
>> > >
>> > > IMHO...I think it would just be a big PIA, so heavy and hard to
>> move around in the multistep process.
>> > >
>> > > Michael
>> > > On Sep 14, 2014 9:56 AM, "Boyd Casey" <[9]boyd411 at gmail.com>
>>
>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Mike,
>> > >> Do you think that polishing a fully assembled ZF presents A a
>> risk
>> to
>> > >> damaging the transaxle? You mentioned people polishing a Trans
>> axle
>> > >> while it was still installed. I have posted warnings against
>> sand
>> > >> blasting and even wet bead blasting while one has an engine or
>> > >> transaxle installed. I know from A information passed on to me
>> by
>> my
>> > >> friend who owns a new water based glass bead blasting business
>> that
>> > >> even with substantial efforts made to protect the engine or
>> tranny
>> it
>> > >> is very easy to have a A nominal amount of glass beading find
>> it's
>> way
>> > >> into the engine or transmission and that's A the death knoll for
>> > >> either. A I wasn't aware of similar risks to the ZF A due to
>> polishing.
>> > >> Thanks,
>> > >> Boyd
>> > >>
>> > >> On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 12:58 AM, Mike Drew
>> <[1][10]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>> > >> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> I think Lloyd Butfoy charges $1200 for polishing. Of course he
>> would
>> > >> never do it with the gearbox assembled.
>> > >> I double any professional polisher will either.
>> > >> Mike
>> > >> Sent from my iPhone
>> > >>
>> > >> On Sep 13, 2014, at 21:55, Boyd Casey <[2][11]boyd411 at gmail.com
>> >
>> wrote:
>> > >>> A A Just out of curiosity, I know there will be a wide variance
>> but
>> > >> what do
>> > >>> A A you think we be a reasonable price to polish a fully
>> assembled zf
>> > >> dash
>> > >>> A A -2 with bell housing outside the car. Detached from the
>> motor
>> and
>> > >>> A A delivered to a polishing shop. Do you think it would be
>> necessary
>> > >> to
>> > >>> A A take any steps to protect the ZF from intrusion of polish
>> or
>> any
>> > >> other
>> > >>> A A potential problems?
>> > >>
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I vote for black.
Michael
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 7:16 PM, Boyd Casey <[1]boyd411 at gmail.com>
wrote:
An unrelated question. A Since I am having a rebuilt engine installed
(a 408 stroked Cleveland, SVO A-3 heads, A331 intake, 180 degree
ceramic coated headers, custom built carb . My engine compartment is
totally refinished with painted surfaces (in black) SS. fire wall cover
SS bottles and water pipes. What is the consensus A concerning the
engine block paint. Should I go with standard Ford blue, black to match
the engine compartment or some other color?
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Julian Kift
<[2]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
A A Maybe air coming up from under the car doesn't hit as much
turbulence
A A from the now blingy polished surfaces, so you can go faster :>)
That's
A A probably why a polished ZF gets hotter!
A A
A __________________________________________________________________
A A Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 13:51:40 -0700
A A From: [3]b.hower3400 at yahoo.com
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] polish ZF cost estimate
A A To: [4]julian_kift at hotmail.com; [5]mikeldrew at aol.com;
[6]cengles at cox.net
A A CC: [7]detomaso at poca.com; [8]michael at michaelshortt.com
A A When you are running at 140/150 at SSCC or BBORR who will know if
it is
A A polished?
A A Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may
not be
A A ! )
A A
A __________________________________________________________________
A A From: Julian Kift <[9]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
A A To: "[10]MikeLDrew at aol.com" <[11]mikeldrew at aol.com>; Charles
Engles
A A <[12]cengles at cox.net>
A A Cc: De Tomaso List <[13]detomaso at poca.com>;
"[14]michael at michaelshortt.com"
A A <[15]michael at michaelshortt.com>
A A Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 1:22 PM
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] polish ZF cost estimate
A A A Let's face it polishing requires a lot of fine grit wet & dry
A A A sandpaper, rags, metal polishes (of varying grit) and a lot of
elbow
A A A grease full stop. You can either put in that effort or pay for
the
A A wear
A A A and tear on someone elses elbows.
A A A What we haven't talked about is what you set yourself up for in
A A A continued maintenance by having a polished ZF. You are at some
point
A A A going to have to put in more elbow grease to maintain that
shiny
A A look,
A A A unless of course you are either a) of sufficient economic
stature and
A A A wealth you "Have people to do that for you" or b) want to take
the ZF
A A A out each year for a repolish.
A A A Of course you could try to seal the polished surface, but I
think
A A that
A A A raises even more concerns on sealing in heat.
A A A Julian
A A A > Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 10:48:02 -0700
A A A > To: [1][16]cengles at cox.net
A A A > CC: [2][17]detomaso at poca.com;
[3][18]michael at michaelshortt.com
A A A > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] polish ZF cost estimate
A A A > From: [4][19]detomaso at poca.com
A A A >
A A A > Another thought--polishing requires a lot of manipulation and
it
A A A would be easy to drop the gearbox and damage it.
A A A >
A A A > Dumb idea in other words. :)
A A A >
A A A > Masochists have don't it in the car but they are relying on
rags,
A A A metal polish and elbow grease....
A A A >
A A A > Mike
A A A >
A A A > Sent from my iPhone
A A A >
A A A > On Sep 14, 2014, at 10:38, "Charles Engles"
<[5][20]cengles at cox.net>
A A wrote:
A A A >
A A A > > Dear Guys,
A A A > >
A A A > >
A A A > > One other consideration of the polisher working on a fully
A A A assembled and presumably, fully functional, *expensive* ZF: if
after
A A a
A A A careful and proper polish job *any* malfunction or problem
occurs
A A with
A A A the pretty polished ZF, then all eyes and finger would point to
the
A A A polisher. He probably wouldn't want that grief and headache.
A A A > >
A A A > >
A A A > > Worst case scenario, Chuck Engles
A A A > >
A A A > >
A A A > >
A A A > >
A A A > > -----Original Message-----
A A A > > From: DeTomaso [mailto:[6][21]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On
Behalf Of
A A A [7][22]michael at michaelshortt.com
A A A > > Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 9:34 AM
A A A > > To: boyd casey
A A A > > Cc: Mike Drew; [8][23]detomaso at poca.com
A A A > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] polish ZF cost estimate
A A A > >
A A A > > IMHO...I think it would just be a big PIA, so heavy and
hard to
A A A move around in the multistep process.
A A A > >
A A A > > Michael
A A A > > On Sep 14, 2014 9:56 AM, "Boyd Casey"
<[9][24]boyd411 at gmail.com>
A A wrote:
A A A > >
A A A > >> Mike,
A A A > >> Do you think that polishing a fully assembled ZF presents
A a
A A risk
A A A to
A A A > >> damaging the transaxle? You mentioned people polishing a
Trans
A A A axle
A A A > >> while it was still installed. I have posted warnings
against
A A sand
A A A > >> blasting and even wet bead blasting while one has an
engine or
A A A > >> transaxle installed. I know from A information passed on
to me
A A by
A A A my
A A A > >> friend who owns a new water based glass bead blasting
business
A A A that
A A A > >> even with substantial efforts made to protect the engine
or
A A tranny
A A A it
A A A > >> is very easy to have a A nominal amount of glass beading
find
A A it's
A A A way
A A A > >> into the engine or transmission and that's A the death
knoll for
A A A > >> either. A I wasn't aware of similar risks to the ZF A due
to
A A A polishing.
A A A > >> Thanks,
A A A > >> Boyd
A A A > >>
A A A > >> On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 12:58 AM, Mike Drew
A A <[1][10][25]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
A A A > >> wrote:
A A A > >>
A A A > >> I think Lloyd Butfoy charges $1200 for polishing. Of
course he
A A A would
A A A > >> never do it with the gearbox assembled.
A A A > >> I double any professional polisher will either.
A A A > >> Mike
A A A > >> Sent from my iPhone
A A A > >>
A A A > >> On Sep 13, 2014, at 21:55, Boyd Casey
<[2][11][26]boyd411 at gmail.com>
A A A wrote:
A A A > >>> A A Just out of curiosity, I know there will be a wide
variance
A A A but
A A A > >> what do
A A A > >>> A A you think we be a reasonable price to polish a fully
A A A assembled zf
A A A > >> dash
A A A > >>> A A -2 with bell housing outside the car. Detached from
the
A A motor
A A A and
A A A > >>> A A delivered to a polishing shop. Do you think it would
be
A A A necessary
A A A > >> to
A A A > >>> A A take any steps to protect the ZF from intrusion of
polish
A A or
A A A any
A A A > >> other
A A A > >>> A A potential problems?
A A A > >>
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