[DeTomaso] polish ZF cost estimate
Boyd Casey
boyd411 at gmail.com
Sun Sep 14 19:16:28 EDT 2014
An unrelated question. Since I am having a rebuilt engine installed (a 408
stroked Cleveland, SVO A-3 heads, A331 intake, 180 degree ceramic coated
headers, custom built carb . My engine compartment is totally refinished
with painted surfaces (in black) SS. fire wall cover SS bottles and water
pipes. What is the consensus concerning the engine block paint. Should I
go with standard Ford blue, black to match the engine compartment or some
other color?
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Maybe air coming up from under the car doesn't hit as much turbulence
> from the now blingy polished surfaces, so you can go faster :>) That's
> probably why a polished ZF gets hotter!
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 13:51:40 -0700
> From: b.hower3400 at yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] polish ZF cost estimate
> To: julian_kift at hotmail.com; mikeldrew at aol.com; cengles at cox.net
> CC: detomaso at poca.com; michael at michaelshortt.com
> When you are running at 140/150 at SSCC or BBORR who will know if it is
> polished?
>
> Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be
> ! )
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>
> From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> To: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" <mikeldrew at aol.com>; Charles Engles
> <cengles at cox.net>
> Cc: De Tomaso List <detomaso at poca.com>; "michael at michaelshortt.com"
> <michael at michaelshortt.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 1:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] polish ZF cost estimate
> Let's face it polishing requires a lot of fine grit wet & dry
> sandpaper, rags, metal polishes (of varying grit) and a lot of elbow
> grease full stop. You can either put in that effort or pay for the
> wear
> and tear on someone elses elbows.
> What we haven't talked about is what you set yourself up for in
> continued maintenance by having a polished ZF. You are at some point
> going to have to put in more elbow grease to maintain that shiny
> look,
> unless of course you are either a) of sufficient economic stature and
> wealth you "Have people to do that for you" or b) want to take the ZF
> out each year for a repolish.
> Of course you could try to seal the polished surface, but I think
> that
> raises even more concerns on sealing in heat.
> Julian
> > Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 10:48:02 -0700
> > To: [1]cengles at cox.net
> > CC: [2]detomaso at poca.com; [3]michael at michaelshortt.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] polish ZF cost estimate
> > From: [4]detomaso at poca.com
> >
> > Another thought--polishing requires a lot of manipulation and it
> would be easy to drop the gearbox and damage it.
> >
> > Dumb idea in other words. :)
> >
> > Masochists have don't it in the car but they are relying on rags,
> metal polish and elbow grease....
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Sep 14, 2014, at 10:38, "Charles Engles" <[5]cengles at cox.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Guys,
> > >
> > >
> > > One other consideration of the polisher working on a fully
> assembled and presumably, fully functional, *expensive* ZF: if after
> a
> careful and proper polish job *any* malfunction or problem occurs
> with
> the pretty polished ZF, then all eyes and finger would point to the
> polisher. He probably wouldn't want that grief and headache.
> > >
> > >
> > > Worst case scenario, Chuck Engles
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
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> [7]michael at michaelshortt.com
> > > Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 9:34 AM
> > > To: boyd casey
> > > Cc: Mike Drew; [8]detomaso at poca.com
> > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] polish ZF cost estimate
> > >
> > > IMHO...I think it would just be a big PIA, so heavy and hard to
> move around in the multistep process.
> > >
> > > Michael
> > > On Sep 14, 2014 9:56 AM, "Boyd Casey" <[9]boyd411 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Mike,
> > >> Do you think that polishing a fully assembled ZF presents A a
> risk
> to
> > >> damaging the transaxle? You mentioned people polishing a Trans
> axle
> > >> while it was still installed. I have posted warnings against
> sand
> > >> blasting and even wet bead blasting while one has an engine or
> > >> transaxle installed. I know from A information passed on to me
> by
> my
> > >> friend who owns a new water based glass bead blasting business
> that
> > >> even with substantial efforts made to protect the engine or
> tranny
> it
> > >> is very easy to have a A nominal amount of glass beading find
> it's
> way
> > >> into the engine or transmission and that's A the death knoll for
> > >> either. A I wasn't aware of similar risks to the ZF A due to
> polishing.
> > >> Thanks,
> > >> Boyd
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 12:58 AM, Mike Drew
> <[1][10]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I think Lloyd Butfoy charges $1200 for polishing. Of course he
> would
> > >> never do it with the gearbox assembled.
> > >> I double any professional polisher will either.
> > >> Mike
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>
> > >> On Sep 13, 2014, at 21:55, Boyd Casey <[2][11]boyd411 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >>> A A Just out of curiosity, I know there will be a wide variance
> but
> > >> what do
> > >>> A A you think we be a reasonable price to polish a fully
> assembled zf
> > >> dash
> > >>> A A -2 with bell housing outside the car. Detached from the
> motor
> and
> > >>> A A delivered to a polishing shop. Do you think it would be
> necessary
> > >> to
> > >>> A A take any steps to protect the ZF from intrusion of polish
> or
> any
> > >> other
> > >>> A A potential problems?
> > >>
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An unrelated question. A Since I am having a rebuilt engine installed
(a 408 stroked Cleveland, SVO A-3 heads, A331 intake, 180 degree
ceramic coated headers, custom built carb . My engine compartment is
totally refinished with painted surfaces (in black) SS. fire wall cover
SS bottles and water pipes. What is the consensus A concerning the
engine block paint. Should I go with standard Ford blue, black to match
the engine compartment or some other color?
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Julian Kift
<[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
A A Maybe air coming up from under the car doesn't hit as much
turbulence
A A from the now blingy polished surfaces, so you can go faster :>)
That's
A A probably why a polished ZF gets hotter!
A A
A __________________________________________________________________
A A Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 13:51:40 -0700
A A From: [2]b.hower3400 at yahoo.com
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] polish ZF cost estimate
A A To: [3]julian_kift at hotmail.com; [4]mikeldrew at aol.com;
[5]cengles at cox.net
A A CC: [6]detomaso at poca.com; [7]michael at michaelshortt.com
A A When you are running at 140/150 at SSCC or BBORR who will know if
it is
A A polished?
A A Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may
not be
A A ! )
A A
A __________________________________________________________________
A A From: Julian Kift <[8]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
A A To: "[9]MikeLDrew at aol.com" <[10]mikeldrew at aol.com>; Charles Engles
A A <[11]cengles at cox.net>
A A Cc: De Tomaso List <[12]detomaso at poca.com>;
"[13]michael at michaelshortt.com"
A A <[14]michael at michaelshortt.com>
A A Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 1:22 PM
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] polish ZF cost estimate
A A A Let's face it polishing requires a lot of fine grit wet & dry
A A A sandpaper, rags, metal polishes (of varying grit) and a lot of
elbow
A A A grease full stop. You can either put in that effort or pay for
the
A A wear
A A A and tear on someone elses elbows.
A A A What we haven't talked about is what you set yourself up for in
A A A continued maintenance by having a polished ZF. You are at some
point
A A A going to have to put in more elbow grease to maintain that
shiny
A A look,
A A A unless of course you are either a) of sufficient economic
stature and
A A A wealth you "Have people to do that for you" or b) want to take
the ZF
A A A out each year for a repolish.
A A A Of course you could try to seal the polished surface, but I
think
A A that
A A A raises even more concerns on sealing in heat.
A A A Julian
A A A > Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 10:48:02 -0700
A A A > To: [1][15]cengles at cox.net
A A A > CC: [2][16]detomaso at poca.com;
[3][17]michael at michaelshortt.com
A A A > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] polish ZF cost estimate
A A A > From: [4][18]detomaso at poca.com
A A A >
A A A > Another thought--polishing requires a lot of manipulation and
it
A A A would be easy to drop the gearbox and damage it.
A A A >
A A A > Dumb idea in other words. :)
A A A >
A A A > Masochists have don't it in the car but they are relying on
rags,
A A A metal polish and elbow grease....
A A A >
A A A > Mike
A A A >
A A A > Sent from my iPhone
A A A >
A A A > On Sep 14, 2014, at 10:38, "Charles Engles"
<[5][19]cengles at cox.net>
A A wrote:
A A A >
A A A > > Dear Guys,
A A A > >
A A A > >
A A A > > One other consideration of the polisher working on a fully
A A A assembled and presumably, fully functional, *expensive* ZF: if
after
A A a
A A A careful and proper polish job *any* malfunction or problem
occurs
A A with
A A A the pretty polished ZF, then all eyes and finger would point to
the
A A A polisher. He probably wouldn't want that grief and headache.
A A A > >
A A A > >
A A A > > Worst case scenario, Chuck Engles
A A A > >
A A A > >
A A A > >
A A A > >
A A A > > -----Original Message-----
A A A > > From: DeTomaso [mailto:[6][20]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On
Behalf Of
A A A [7][21]michael at michaelshortt.com
A A A > > Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 9:34 AM
A A A > > To: boyd casey
A A A > > Cc: Mike Drew; [8][22]detomaso at poca.com
A A A > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] polish ZF cost estimate
A A A > >
A A A > > IMHO...I think it would just be a big PIA, so heavy and
hard to
A A A move around in the multistep process.
A A A > >
A A A > > Michael
A A A > > On Sep 14, 2014 9:56 AM, "Boyd Casey"
<[9][23]boyd411 at gmail.com>
A A wrote:
A A A > >
A A A > >> Mike,
A A A > >> Do you think that polishing a fully assembled ZF presents
A a
A A risk
A A A to
A A A > >> damaging the transaxle? You mentioned people polishing a
Trans
A A A axle
A A A > >> while it was still installed. I have posted warnings
against
A A sand
A A A > >> blasting and even wet bead blasting while one has an
engine or
A A A > >> transaxle installed. I know from A information passed on
to me
A A by
A A A my
A A A > >> friend who owns a new water based glass bead blasting
business
A A A that
A A A > >> even with substantial efforts made to protect the engine
or
A A tranny
A A A it
A A A > >> is very easy to have a A nominal amount of glass beading
find
A A it's
A A A way
A A A > >> into the engine or transmission and that's A the death
knoll for
A A A > >> either. A I wasn't aware of similar risks to the ZF A due
to
A A A polishing.
A A A > >> Thanks,
A A A > >> Boyd
A A A > >>
A A A > >> On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 12:58 AM, Mike Drew
A A <[1][10][24]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
A A A > >> wrote:
A A A > >>
A A A > >> I think Lloyd Butfoy charges $1200 for polishing. Of
course he
A A A would
A A A > >> never do it with the gearbox assembled.
A A A > >> I double any professional polisher will either.
A A A > >> Mike
A A A > >> Sent from my iPhone
A A A > >>
A A A > >> On Sep 13, 2014, at 21:55, Boyd Casey
<[2][11][25]boyd411 at gmail.com>
A A A wrote:
A A A > >>> A A Just out of curiosity, I know there will be a wide
variance
A A A but
A A A > >> what do
A A A > >>> A A you think we be a reasonable price to polish a fully
A A A assembled zf
A A A > >> dash
A A A > >>> A A -2 with bell housing outside the car. Detached from
the
A A motor
A A A and
A A A > >>> A A delivered to a polishing shop. Do you think it would
be
A A A necessary
A A A > >> to
A A A > >>> A A take any steps to protect the ZF from intrusion of
polish
A A or
A A A any
A A A > >> other
A A A > >>> A A potential problems?
A A A > >>
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A A A > >> 2. mailto:[15][29]boyd411 at gmail.com
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