[DeTomaso] polish ZF cost estimate

Julian Kift julian_kift at hotmail.com
Sun Sep 14 14:22:00 EDT 2014 

Let's face it polishing requires a lot of fine grit wet & dry sandpaper, rags, metal polishes (of varying grit) and a lot of elbow grease full stop. You can either put in that effort or pay for the wear and tear on someone elses elbows.
 
What we haven't talked about is what you set yourself up for in continued maintenance by having a polished ZF. You are at some point going to have to put in more elbow grease to maintain that shiny look, unless of course you are either a) of sufficient economic stature and wealth you "Have people to do that for you" or b) want to take the ZF out each year for a repolish.
 
Of course you could try to seal the polished surface, but I think that raises even more concerns on sealing in heat.
 
Julian
 
> Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 10:48:02 -0700
> To: cengles at cox.net
> CC: detomaso at poca.com; michael at michaelshortt.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] polish ZF cost estimate
> From: detomaso at poca.com
> 
> Another thought--polishing requires a lot of manipulation and it would be easy to drop the gearbox and damage it. 
> 
> Dumb idea in other words. :)
> 
> Masochists have don't it in the car but they are relying on rags, metal polish and elbow grease....
> 
> Mike
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 14, 2014, at 10:38, "Charles Engles" <cengles at cox.net> wrote:
> 
> > Dear Guys,
> > 
> > 
> >             One other consideration of the polisher working on a fully assembled and presumably, fully functional, *expensive* ZF: if after a careful and proper polish job *any* malfunction or problem occurs with the pretty polished ZF, then all eyes and finger would point to the polisher.  He probably wouldn't want that grief and headache.
> > 
> > 
> >                        Worst case scenario,  Chuck Engles
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of michael at michaelshortt.com
> > Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 9:34 AM
> > To: boyd casey
> > Cc: Mike Drew; detomaso at poca.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] polish ZF cost estimate
> > 
> > IMHO...I think it would just be a big PIA, so heavy and hard to move around in the multistep process.
> > 
> > Michael
> > On Sep 14, 2014 9:56 AM, "Boyd Casey" <boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> >>   Mike,
> >>   Do you think that polishing a fully assembled ZF presents A a risk to
> >>   damaging the transaxle? You mentioned people polishing a Trans axle
> >>   while it was still installed. I have posted warnings against sand
> >>   blasting and even wet bead blasting while one has an engine or
> >>   transaxle installed. I know from A information passed on to me by my
> >>   friend who owns a new water based glass bead blasting business that
> >>   even with substantial efforts made to protect the engine or tranny it
> >>   is very easy to have a A nominal amount of glass beading find it's way
> >>   into the engine or transmission and that's A the death knoll for
> >>   either. A I wasn't aware of similar risks to the ZF A due to polishing.
> >>   Thanks,
> >>   Boyd
> >> 
> >>   On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 12:58 AM, Mike Drew <[1]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> >>   wrote:
> >> 
> >>     I think Lloyd Butfoy charges $1200 for polishing. Of course he would
> >>     never do it with the gearbox assembled.
> >>     I double any professional polisher will either.
> >>     Mike
> >>     Sent from my iPhone
> >> 
> >>   On Sep 13, 2014, at 21:55, Boyd Casey <[2]boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> A  A Just out of curiosity, I know there will be a wide variance but
> >>   what do
> >>> A  A you think we be a reasonable price to polish a fully assembled zf
> >>   dash
> >>> A  A -2 with bell housing outside the car. Detached from the motor and
> >>> A  A delivered to a polishing shop. Do you think it would be necessary
> >>   to
> >>> A  A take any steps to protect the ZF from intrusion of polish or any
> >>   other
> >>> A  A potential problems?
> >> 
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> >> References
> >> 
> >>   1. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
> >>   2. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com
> >>   3. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> >>   4. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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   Let's face it polishing requires a lot of fine grit wet & dry
   sandpaper, rags, metal polishes (of varying grit) and a lot of elbow
   grease full stop. You can either put in that effort or pay for the wear
   and tear on someone elses elbows.

   What we haven't talked about is what you set yourself up for in
   continued maintenance by having a polished ZF. You are at some point
   going to have to put in more elbow grease to maintain that shiny look,
   unless of course you are either a) of sufficient economic stature and
   wealth you "Have people to do that for you" or b) want to take the ZF
   out each year for a repolish.

   Of course you could try to seal the polished surface, but I think that
   raises even more concerns on sealing in heat.

   Julian

   > Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 10:48:02 -0700
   > To: cengles at cox.net
   > CC: detomaso at poca.com; michael at michaelshortt.com
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] polish ZF cost estimate
   > From: detomaso at poca.com
   >
   > Another thought--polishing requires a lot of manipulation and it
   would be easy to drop the gearbox and damage it.
   >
   > Dumb idea in other words. :)
   >
   > Masochists have don't it in the car but they are relying on rags,
   metal polish and elbow grease....
   >
   > Mike
   >
   > Sent from my iPhone
   >
   > On Sep 14, 2014, at 10:38, "Charles Engles" <cengles at cox.net> wrote:
   >
   > > Dear Guys,
   > >
   > >
   > > One other consideration of the polisher working on a fully
   assembled and presumably, fully functional, *expensive* ZF: if after a
   careful and proper polish job *any* malfunction or problem occurs with
   the pretty polished ZF, then all eyes and finger would point to the
   polisher. He probably wouldn't want that grief and headache.
   > >
   > >
   > > Worst case scenario, Chuck Engles
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > > -----Original Message-----
   > > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
   michael at michaelshortt.com
   > > Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 9:34 AM
   > > To: boyd casey
   > > Cc: Mike Drew; detomaso at poca.com
   > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] polish ZF cost estimate
   > >
   > > IMHO...I think it would just be a big PIA, so heavy and hard to
   move around in the multistep process.
   > >
   > > Michael
   > > On Sep 14, 2014 9:56 AM, "Boyd Casey" <boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
   > >
   > >> Mike,
   > >> Do you think that polishing a fully assembled ZF presents A a risk
   to
   > >> damaging the transaxle? You mentioned people polishing a Trans
   axle
   > >> while it was still installed. I have posted warnings against sand
   > >> blasting and even wet bead blasting while one has an engine or
   > >> transaxle installed. I know from A information passed on to me by
   my
   > >> friend who owns a new water based glass bead blasting business
   that
   > >> even with substantial efforts made to protect the engine or tranny
   it
   > >> is very easy to have a A nominal amount of glass beading find it's
   way
   > >> into the engine or transmission and that's A the death knoll for
   > >> either. A I wasn't aware of similar risks to the ZF A due to
   polishing.
   > >> Thanks,
   > >> Boyd
   > >>
   > >> On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 12:58 AM, Mike Drew <[1]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   > >> wrote:
   > >>
   > >> I think Lloyd Butfoy charges $1200 for polishing. Of course he
   would
   > >> never do it with the gearbox assembled.
   > >> I double any professional polisher will either.
   > >> Mike
   > >> Sent from my iPhone
   > >>
   > >> On Sep 13, 2014, at 21:55, Boyd Casey <[2]boyd411 at gmail.com>
   wrote:
   > >>> A A Just out of curiosity, I know there will be a wide variance
   but
   > >> what do
   > >>> A A you think we be a reasonable price to polish a fully
   assembled zf
   > >> dash
   > >>> A A -2 with bell housing outside the car. Detached from the motor
   and
   > >>> A A delivered to a polishing shop. Do you think it would be
   necessary
   > >> to
   > >>> A A take any steps to protect the ZF from intrusion of polish or
   any
   > >> other
   > >>> A A potential problems?
   > >>
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   > >> References
   > >>
   > >> 1. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
   > >> 2. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com
   > >> 3. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
   > >> 4. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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