[DeTomaso] Rolling Rear Fender Lips
Rob Dumoulin
rob at dumoulins.net
Fri Sep 5 16:31:06 EDT 2014
I hope nobody thinks that taking a baseball bat to a Pantera is generally a
good idea. :)
Rob
On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 4:13 PM, Himes, Terry (397C) <
terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> I also did it with a baseball bat with the help of Dave Briggs. Worked
> great!! Runnin 17" rims with Michelins.
> Also got new shocks and springs. Ride feels better than new!! Sweet.
>
> "Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life
>
> exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried
>
> to contact us!"
>
> Terry W. Himes [cid:5F91552D-7F15-4B9E-A98C-AAF8B0C30AEB]
>
> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
>
> Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead
>
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>
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>
> From: Dave <[2]dave at damardirect.com>
> Date: Friday, September 5, 2014 12:36 PM
> To: "[3]shawkins777 at comcast.net" <[4]shawkins777 at comcast.net>
> Cc: "forum, Pantera" <[5]detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rolling Rear Fender Lips
>
> 2nd the baseball bat (wood)
> IndyDave
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [6]shawkins777 at comcast.net [[7]mailto:shawkins777 at comcast.net]
> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 8:29 AM
> Cc: forum, Pantera
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rolling Rear Fender Lips
> A baseball bat works pretty good.
> Steve
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "forum, Pantera" <[8]detomaso at poca.com>
> To: "forum, Pantera" <[9]detomaso at poca.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 5, 2014 6:19:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rolling Rear Fender Lips
> Or, you can buy a fender rolling tool from
> [10]http://www.eastwood.com/ew-fender-roller-w-instruction.html for
> only $129. Seems that it might be better than a hammer and/or broom
> stick. For what its worth, I just had my front fenders rolled after the
> second time the right wheel pulled out my fender costing me $2,500 to
> fix and repaint. The fender rolling was included in the fix so I cant
> tell you how much I was charged, but initially the body shop wanted
> $561 per wheel well and backed off once I pointed out that they were
> already charging an arm and leg and various other body parts just to
> fix one fender. Although the price was high, they look great and give
> me the clearance so it should not happen again.
> V. Michael Arias
> [11]vmichaelarias at aol.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso <[12]detomaso at poca.com>
> To: mbefthomas <[13]mbefthomas at comcast.net>; pantera01826
> <[14]pantera01826 at rogers.com>; detomaso <[15]detomaso at poca.com>
> Sent: Fri, Sep 5, 2014 3:38 am
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rolling Rear Fender Lips
> FWIW- I've never seen a Pantera that NEEDED the rear fender lips
> rolled- even running giant tires. There might be one out there
> someplace, but...
> JDeRyke
> Thanks. The fronts are already rolled, just not the rears.
> Mike
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Thomas <[16]mbefthomas at comcast.net>
> To: 'Mark Charlton' <[17]pantera01826 at rogers.com>; 'detomaso mail list'
> <[18]detomaso at poca.com>
> Sent: Thu, Sep 4, 2014 8:56 pm
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rolling Rear Fender Lips
> Thanks. The fronts are already rolled, just not the rears.
> Mike
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Charlton [[1][19]mailto:pantera01826 at rogers.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2014 7:22 PM
> To: detomaso mail list; Mike Thomas
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rolling Rear Fender Lips
> When I did mine I considered fancy tools and ended up using a very
> simple
> but effective method.
> I heated the fender lip paint so it was very warm to the touch (and
> kept
> re-heating as I worked along it so the paint wouldn't crack). I then
> gradually hammered the fender lips inwards using a small lead hammer
> with a
> few layers of heavy soft rag covering the head (to protect the paint).
> Gentle taps working along the fender back and forth several times was
> all
> that was needed to roll the lips inward very nicely. No cracked paint,
> no
> body damage and not risk of catching the tires on the lips. And no
> special
> tools.
> I assume you will also be lowering the fronts, and that area MUST be
> rolled
> so the tires don't catch - especially if you're running wider than
> stock
> from tires.
> Mark Charlton
> [2][20]pantera01826 at rogers.com
> On Sep 4, 2014, at 10:08 PM, Dave Londry <[3][21]davel at emspace.com>
> wrote:
>
> Drop $209 on one of these?
>
> [4][22]http://www.tirerack.com/accessories/detail.jsp?ID=52
>
> Rent one from Eastwood $40?
>
> [5][23]http://www.ebay.com/itm/RENTAL-Fender-Roller-Lip-Forming-Rolling
> -Tool-
>
> Eastwood-RENT-Return-Label-Include-/161400710944?pt=Automotive_Service
>
> s&hash=item25943b6720
>
> dave
>
> On 04/09/2014 6:56 PM, Mike Thomas wrote:
>
> I've finally picked up a set of adjustable upper rear A arms so I can
>
> drop the car a little further and keep the camber correct at the
>
> rear. I suspect I'll get some interference with the inner lip of the
>
> rear fender if I don't roll it. I recall a thread many years ago on
>
> various ways to do this yourself without damaging the outer fender.
>
> I have a piece of broom handle that I was going to start working back
>
> and forth while tapping with a hammer, wheel off of course.
>
> One method I recall was to run such as a broom handle between the
>
> tire and fender and use the tire as leverage. I won't be dropping it
>
> enough for that as the tire won't be quite that close to the fender.
>
> I suppose another way would be to install the new A arms, adjust them
>
> as close to zero-c as I can at the desired ride height, then lift the
>
> car, remove the coil-over, and swing the suspension to see if I still
>
> have clearance.
>
> Other ideas?
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike Thomas
>
> VP, POCA
>
> VP, Panteras Northwest
>
> Yellow '74 #6328
>
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> References
> 1. [30]mailto:pantera01826 at rogers.com?
> 2. [31]mailto:pantera01826 at rogers.com
> 3. [32]mailto:davel at emspace.com
> 4. [33]http://www.tirerack.com/accessories/detail.jsp?ID=52
> 5.
> [34]http://www.ebay.com/itm/RENTAL-Fender-Roller-Lip-Forming-Rolling-To
> ol-
> 6. [35]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 7. [36]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 8. [37]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 9. [38]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 10. [39]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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> 1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
> 2. mailto:dave at damardirect.com
> 3. mailto:shawkins777 at comcast.net
> 4. mailto:shawkins777 at comcast.net
> 5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 6. mailto:shawkins777 at comcast.net
> 7. mailto:shawkins777 at comcast.net
> 8. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 9. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 10. http://www.eastwood.com/ew-fender-roller-w-instruction.html
> 11. mailto:vmichaelarias at aol.com
> 12. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 13. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net
> 14. mailto:pantera01826 at rogers.com
> 15. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 16. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net
> 17. mailto:pantera01826 at rogers.com
> 18. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 19. mailto:pantera01826 at rogers.com
> 20. mailto:pantera01826 at rogers.com
> 21. mailto:davel at emspace.com
> 22. http://www.tirerack.com/accessories/detail.jsp?ID=52
> 23.
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/RENTAL-Fender-Roller-Lip-Forming-Rolling-Tool-
> 24. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 25. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 26. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 27. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 28. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 29. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 30. mailto:pantera01826 at rogers.com
> 31. mailto:pantera01826 at rogers.com
> 32. mailto:davel at emspace.com
> 33. http://www.tirerack.com/accessories/detail.jsp?ID=52
> 34.
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/RENTAL-Fender-Roller-Lip-Forming-Rolling-Tool-
> 35. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 36. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 37. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 38. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 39. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 40. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 41. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 42. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 43. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 44. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 45. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 46. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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I hope nobody thinks that taking a baseball bat to a Pantera is
generally a good idea. A :)
RobA
On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 4:13 PM, Himes, Terry (397C)
<[1]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
A A I also did it with a baseball bat with the help of Dave
Briggs.A Worked
A A great!! Runnin 17" rims with Michelins.
A A Also got new shocks and springs.A Ride feels better than
new!!A A Sweet.
A A "Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life
A A A exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has
tried
A A A to contact us!"
A A Terry W. HimesA [cid:5F91552D-7F15-4B9E-A98C-AAF8B0C30AEB]
A A JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
A A Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead
A A Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead
A A Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead
A A Phone: (818) 393-6261
A A Cell:A A A (818) 653-8213
A A Fax:A A A (818) 393-3147
A A [1][2]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
A A From: Dave <[2][3]dave at damardirect.com>
A A Date: Friday, September 5, 2014 12:36 PM
A A To: "[3][4]shawkins777 at comcast.net"
<[4][5]shawkins777 at comcast.net>
A A Cc: "forum, Pantera" <[5][6]detomaso at poca.com>
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rolling Rear Fender Lips
A A 2nd the baseball bat (wood)
A A IndyDave
A A -----Original Message-----
A A From: [6][7]shawkins777 at comcast.net
[[7]mailto:[8]shawkins777 at comcast.net]
A A Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 8:29 AM
A A Cc: forum, Pantera
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rolling Rear Fender Lips
A A A baseball bat works pretty good.
A A Steve
A A ----- Original Message -----
A A From: "forum, Pantera" <[8][9]detomaso at poca.com>
A A To: "forum, Pantera" <[9][10]detomaso at poca.com>
A A Sent: Friday, September 5, 2014 6:19:27 AM
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rolling Rear Fender Lips
A A Or, you can buy a fender rolling tool from
A
A [10][11]http://www.eastwood.com/ew-fender-roller-w-instruction.htm
l for
A A only $129. Seems that it might be better than a hammer and/or
broom
A A stick. For what its worth, I just had my front fenders rolled
after the
A A second time the right wheel pulled out my fender costing me
$2,500 to
A A fix and repaint. The fender rolling was included in the fix so
I cant
A A tell you how much I was charged, but initially the body shop
wanted
A A $561 per wheel well and backed off once I pointed out that they
were
A A already charging an arm and leg and various other body parts
just to
A A fix one fender. Although the price was high, they look great
and give
A A me the clearance so it should not happen again.
A A V. Michael Arias
A A [11][12]vmichaelarias at aol.com
A A -----Original Message-----
A A From: Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso <[12][13]detomaso at poca.com>
A A To: mbefthomas <[13][14]mbefthomas at comcast.net>; pantera01826
A A <[14][15]pantera01826 at rogers.com>; detomaso
<[15][16]detomaso at poca.com>
A A Sent: Fri, Sep 5, 2014 3:38 am
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rolling Rear Fender Lips
A A FWIW- I've never seen a Pantera that NEEDED the rear fender
lips
A A rolled- even running giant tires. There might be one out there
A A someplace, but...
A A JDeRyke
A A Thanks. The fronts are already rolled, just not the rears.
A A Mike
A A -----Original Message-----
A A From: Mike Thomas <[16][17]mbefthomas at comcast.net>
A A To: 'Mark Charlton' <[17][18]pantera01826 at rogers.com>;
'detomaso mail list'
A A <[18][19]detomaso at poca.com>
A A Sent: Thu, Sep 4, 2014 8:56 pm
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rolling Rear Fender Lips
A A Thanks. The fronts are already rolled, just not the rears.
A A Mike
A A -----Original Message-----
A A From: Mark Charlton [[1][19]mailto:[20]pantera01826 at rogers.com]
A A Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2014 7:22 PM
A A To: detomaso mail list; Mike Thomas
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rolling Rear Fender Lips
A A When I did mine I considered fancy tools and ended up using a very
A A simple
A A but effective method.
A A I heated the fender lip paint so it was very warm to the touch
(and
A A kept
A A re-heating as I worked along it so the paint wouldn't crack). I
then
A A gradually hammered the fender lips inwards using a small lead
hammer
A A with a
A A few layers of heavy soft rag covering the head (to protect the
paint).
A A Gentle taps working along the fender back and forth several times
was
A A all
A A that was needed to roll the lips inward very nicely. No cracked
paint,
A A no
A A body damage and not risk of catching the tires on the lips. And no
A A special
A A tools.
A A I assume you will also be lowering the fronts, and that area MUST
be
A A rolled
A A so the tires don't catch - especially if you're running wider than
A A stock
A A from tires.
A A Mark Charlton
A A [2][20][21]pantera01826 at rogers.com
A A On Sep 4, 2014, at 10:08 PM, Dave Londry
<[3][21][22]davel at emspace.com>
A A wrote:
A A Drop $209 on one of these?
A A [4][22][23]http://www.tirerack.com/accessories/detail.jsp?ID=52
A A Rent one from Eastwood $40?
A
A [5][23][24]http://www.ebay.com/itm/RENTAL-Fender-Roller-Lip-Formin
g-Rolling
A A -Tool-
A
A Eastwood-RENT-Return-Label-Include-/161400710944?pt=Automotive_Servic
e
A A s&hash=item25943b6720
A A dave
A A On 04/09/2014 6:56 PM, Mike Thomas wrote:
A A I've finally picked up a set of adjustable upper rear A arms so I
can
A A drop the car a little further and keep the camber correct at the
A A rear. I suspect I'll get some interference with the inner lip of
the
A A rear fender if I don't roll it. I recall a thread many years ago
on
A A various ways to do this yourself without damaging the outer
fender.
A A I have a piece of broom handle that I was going to start working
back
A A and forth while tapping with a hammer, wheel off of course.
A A One method I recall was to run such as a broom handle between the
A A tire and fender and use the tire as leverage. I won't be dropping
it
A A enough for that as the tire won't be quite that close to the
fender.
A A I suppose another way would be to install the new A arms, adjust
them
A A as close to zero-c as I can at the desired ride height, then lift
the
A A car, remove the coil-over, and swing the suspension to see if I
still
A A have clearance.
A A Other ideas?
A A Thanks
A A Mike Thomas
A A VP, POCA
A A VP, Panteras Northwest
A A Yellow '74 #6328
A A _______________________________________________
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A A 2. [31]mailto:[32]pantera01826 at rogers.com
A A 3. [32]mailto:[33]davel at emspace.com
A A 4. [33][34]http://www.tirerack.com/accessories/detail.jsp?ID=52
A A 5.
A
A [34][35]http://www.ebay.com/itm/RENTAL-Fender-Roller-Lip-Forming-R
olling-To
A A ol-
A A 6. [35]mailto:[36]DeTomaso at poca.com
A A 7. [36][37]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
A A 8. [37]mailto:[38]DeTomaso at poca.com
A A 9. [38][39]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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A A 2. mailto:[49]dave at damardirect.com
A A 3. mailto:[50]shawkins777 at comcast.net
A A 4. mailto:[51]shawkins777 at comcast.net
A A 5. mailto:[52]detomaso at poca.com
A A 6. mailto:[53]shawkins777 at comcast.net
A A 7. mailto:[54]shawkins777 at comcast.net
A A 8. mailto:[55]detomaso at poca.com
A A 9. mailto:[56]detomaso at poca.com
A 10.
[57]http://www.eastwood.com/ew-fender-roller-w-instruction.html
A 11. mailto:[58]vmichaelarias at aol.com
A 12. mailto:[59]detomaso at poca.com
A 13. mailto:[60]mbefthomas at comcast.net
A 14. mailto:[61]pantera01826 at rogers.com
A 15. mailto:[62]detomaso at poca.com
A 16. mailto:[63]mbefthomas at comcast.net
A 17. mailto:[64]pantera01826 at rogers.com
A 18. mailto:[65]detomaso at poca.com
A 19. mailto:[66]pantera01826 at rogers.com
A 20. mailto:[67]pantera01826 at rogers.com
A 21. mailto:[68]davel at emspace.com
A 22. [69]http://www.tirerack.com/accessories/detail.jsp?ID=52
A 23.
[70]http://www.ebay.com/itm/RENTAL-Fender-Roller-Lip-Forming-Rolling
-Tool-
A 24. mailto:[71]DeTomaso at poca.com
A 25. [72]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
A 26. mailto:[73]DeTomaso at poca.com
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A 28. mailto:[75]DeTomaso at poca.com
A 29. [76]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
A 30. mailto:[77]pantera01826 at rogers.com
A 31. mailto:[78]pantera01826 at rogers.com
A 32. mailto:[79]davel at emspace.com
A 33. [80]http://www.tirerack.com/accessories/detail.jsp?ID=52
A 34.
[81]http://www.ebay.com/itm/RENTAL-Fender-Roller-Lip-Forming-Rolling
-Tool-
A 35. mailto:[82]DeTomaso at poca.com
A 36. [83]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
A 37. mailto:[84]DeTomaso at poca.com
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2. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
3. mailto:dave at damardirect.com
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