[DeTomaso] MME? WTF? HAVEN'T YOU GUYS LEARNED YOUR LESSON?

Will Kooiman will.kooiman at gmail.com
Fri Oct 24 07:06:41 EDT 2014 

I don¹t think you can say that MME ripped off Tod.

>From what I remember, MME was going to be one of the preferred builders
for Tod¹s block, and he received one of the early blocks.  MME got tired
of waiting for production, and had an aluminum block built on his own that
is to 351C dimensions, and probably stronger, but it doesn¹t look like a
351C block.  You can¹t say that he stole any of Tod¹s engineering, because
Tod¹s 351C block is a copy of Ford¹s block.  What is there to steal?

You could say he is a bad business partner, but that doesn¹t make him a
bad vendor.

I am more concerned about how he handled problems with dissatisfied
customers.  There has been more than one.  Like someone said, every vendor
makes mistakes sooner or later.  How the vendor handles the issues defines
their integrity.

BTW, MME supplied my crank, rods, and pistons.  He did a great job.  He
spent time on the phone with me, and the parts and price were right.

On 10/23/14, 6:18 PM, "Ed Mendez" <edducati at mac.com> wrote:

>   Ok, I won't put any more MME stuff out there.
>
>   It was just an eBay auction I saw with an all aluminum Cleveland block.
>   I had no idea it was going to cause this much controversy so to make up
>   for it, here is an all aluminum World Products 454 cubic inch Windsor
>   complete engine with P-38 heads. :-) 600 horsies can I get a hell yah!
>   [1]http://www.ebay.com/itm/ALL-ALUMINUM-FORD-454CI-351-WINDSOR-ENGINE-6
>   00HP-WITH-KAASE-P-38-HEADS-/321022951127?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Acc
>   essories&hash=item4abe757ed7&vxp=mtr
>   Now I am probably going to get shit from the Cleveland purists. lol
>   or we can just all put in Chevy LS motors and call it a day, or better
>   yet how about an all aluminum big block chevy. :-)
>   As Scott Bell says, it's a DeTomaso not a Ford!
>   hahahaha
>   Ed
>
>   On Oct 23, 2014, at 13:10, B Hower <[2]b.hower3400 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>   I don't know what truly has transpired in the past in regard to ripoff.
>   But to be somewhat fair, I think there has been very little new items
>   on the market that did not benefit from someones previous efforts. JMHO
>
>   Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be
>   ! )
>     __________________________________________________________________
>
>   From: Mikael <[3]mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk>
>   To: [4]michael at michaelshortt.com; Ed Mendez <[5]edducati at mac.com>
>   Cc: [6]detomaso at poca.com; [7]clewis at dmn.net
>   Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 2:40 PM
>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] MME? WTF? HAVEN'T YOU GUYS LEARNED YOUR LESSON?
>   MME. Always a topic that starts a debate. Myself, I don't know. My MME
>   engine had a failure. After 3 years and 4500 miles. MME's fault? Don't
>   know. Could be someone, including me, overreving it, it goes through
>   2nd gear so fast you wouldn't believe it. I've put on a revlimiter now.
>   When I had the failure, MME initially clearly tried to protect
>   themselves by not giving any guess as to why it failed, the typical
>   American "don't admit anyting or a lawsuit is coming" response. But
>   when I made it clear I was not blaming them, they were very helpful
>   with parts and advice, parts at almost Summit prices.
>   Can you really buy a 600hp engine and expect it to live forever? If it
>   had failed within 300 miles, I would be knocking on their door, but
>   after that, I consider it my own risk. And I know it will fail some
>   day, if I'm lucky it'll take a few years.
>   Worrying of course to read the ripoff stories. But is there any volume
>   engine builder that hasn't got dissatisfied customers? If I were an
>   engine builder I would worry about how the customer treats my engine.
>   Reving when cold, over heating, over reving. When I took delivery of my
>   Pantera, I had to add 3 liters of oil to get it up to the full mark (8
>   liter pan), can't have been good for it.
>   Chris, as you describe it you've not been treated fairly, I agree, but
>   there seems to be many customers that have?
>   Would I buy another MME engine? Based on the relationship I have with
>   them now, yes. And frankly, if I ruled out MME, where can I get
>   Cleveland like mine? Who else builds them at this volume? If indeed
>   Buttermore has been ripped off, that would change my mind
>   Sent from my BlackBerry Q10
>     Original Message
>   From: [8]michael at michaelshortt.com
>   Sent: torsdag den 23. oktober 2014 18.25
>   To: Ed Mendez
>   Cc: [9]detomaso at poca.com; [10]clewis at dmn.net
>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] MME? WTF? HAVEN'T YOU GUYS LEARNED YOUR LESSON?
>   Good feedback and info to share,
>   Thx
>   On Oct 23, 2014 12:20 PM, "Ed Mendez" <[11]edducati at mac.com> wrote:
>   > I hear you Chris.
>   >
>   > :-)
>   >
>   >
>   > > On Oct 22, 2014, at 21:44, [12]clewis at dmn.net wrote:
>   > >
>   > > I cannot believe that any of you guys are even contemplating giving
>   MME,
>   > McKeown Motor Sport Engineering, a single
>   > > dollar of your money
>   > >
>   > >
>   > > Here are all the reasons you need not to do business with Mark &
>   Heather
>   > Mckeown:
>   > >
>   > > 1)
>   >
>   [13]http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/McKeown-Motorsport-engineering-Inc/Wa
>   ldorf-Maryland-20602/McKeown-Motorsport-
>   > >
>   >
>   engineering-Inc-Mark-McKeown-We-employed-MME-to-build-a-race-engine-tha
>   -986958
>   > >
>   > >
>   > > 2)
>   >
>   [14]http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/McKeown-Motorsport-Engineering/-Waldo
>   rf-Maryland-20604/McKeown-Motorsport-Engineering-
>   > > Poor-workmanship-poor-quality-their-work-was-not-what-I-745524
>   > >
>   > > 3)
>   >
>   [15]http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/McKeown-Motorsport-Engineering/intern
>   et/McKeown-Motorsport-Engineering-MME-Racing-Bad-
>   > > Engine-Build-Bad-Business-Practices-Bad-Cu-530310
>   > >
>   > > My build cost me over $20K. It did not even make it 800 miles
>   before
>   > catastrophic failure of the valve train.
>   > >
>   > > Even after Jesel performed a detailed failure analysis and provided
>   a
>   > report with microscopic examination of the
>   > > failure mode that clearly found the failure was the result of
>   ENGINE
>   > BUILDER errors, Mark McKeown would not do anything
>   > > to make the situation right. He would not stand behind his product
>   in
>   > any way.
>   > >
>   > > I mean they could not even get a set of valve covers right. They
>   were
>   > delivered with no provision for a breather or
>   > > oil fill. How was I supposed to get oil into the engine using those
>   > valve covers?
>   > >
>   > > Anyway, I hope to god none of you have to go through what I did.
>   > >
>   > > Chris Lewis
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
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>References
>
>   1. 
>http://www.ebay.com/itm/ALL-ALUMINUM-FORD-454CI-351-WINDSOR-ENGINE-600HP-W
>ITH-KAASE-P-38-HEADS-/321022951127?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&
>hash=item4abe757ed7&vxp=mtr
>   2. mailto:b.hower3400 at yahoo.com
>   3. mailto:mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk
>   4. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>   5. mailto:edducati at mac.com
>   6. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>   7. mailto:clewis at dmn.net
>   8. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>   9. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>  10. mailto:clewis at dmn.net
>  11. mailto:edducati at mac.com
>  12. mailto:clewis at dmn.net
>  13. 
>http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/McKeown-Motorsport-engineering-Inc/Waldorf-M
>aryland-20602/McKeown-Motorsport-
>  14. 
>http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/McKeown-Motorsport-Engineering/-Waldorf-Mary
>land-20604/McKeown-Motorsport-Engineering-
>  15. 
>http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/McKeown-Motorsport-Engineering/internet/McKe
>own-Motorsport-Engineering-MME-Racing-Bad-
>  16. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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