[DeTomaso] All AL Engines
Ed Mendez
edducati at mac.com
Thu Oct 23 18:19:56 EDT 2014
For some reason the link is screwed up.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ALL-ALUMINUM-FORD-454CI-351-WINDSOR-ENGINE-600HP-WITH-KAASE-P-38-HEADS-/321022951127?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4abe757ed7&vxp=mtr <http://www.ebay.com/itm/ALL-ALUMINUM-FORD-454CI-351-WINDSOR-ENGINE-600HP-WITH-KAASE-P-38-HEADS-/321022951127?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4abe757ed7&vxp=mtr>
> On Oct 23, 2014, at 15:18, Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com> wrote:
>
> Ok, I won't put any more MME stuff out there.
>
> It was just an eBay auction I saw with an all aluminum Cleveland block.
> I had no idea it was going to cause this much controversy so to make up
> for it, here is an all aluminum World Products 454 cubic inch Windsor
> complete engine with P-38 heads. :-) 600 horsies can I get a hell yah!
> [1]http://www.ebay.com/itm/ALL-ALUMINUM-FORD-454CI-351-WINDSOR-ENGINE-6
> 00HP-WITH-KAASE-P-38-HEADS-/321022951127?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Acc
> essories&hash=item4abe757ed7&vxp=mtr
> Now I am probably going to get shit from the Cleveland purists. lol
> or we can just all put in Chevy LS motors and call it a day, or better
> yet how about an all aluminum big block chevy. :-)
> As Scott Bell says, it's a DeTomaso not a Ford!
> hahahaha
> Ed
>
> On Oct 23, 2014, at 11:08, [2]JDeRyke at aol.com wrote:
>
> FWIW: the reasons for picking an aftermarket aluminum block are -1)
> repairability, 2)- lightness, 3)- capacity to use a BIG bore and stroke
> with a better oil system. My race block only drops about 50 lbs over an
> iron Cleveland; aluminum heads will drop more weight- 62 lbs! By far
> the most valuable attribute is the big bore capacity and far better
> oiling.
> Next, most aluminum blocks are Windsor type except for MME's and
> Buttermore's Cleveland copies and both come as raw castings that need a
> pro machine shop to complete, not just an engine builder. There isn't a
> single hole in those blocks that's threaded or bored as-delivered, and
> no surfaces are finished. There's a tremendous amount of machining
> needed before they will bolt together. Thats why they're so expensive
> as an operating engine.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mark skwarek via DeTomaso <[3]detomaso at poca.com>
> To: Ed Mendez <[4]edducati at mac.com>; Jack Dunn <[5]po917k at yahoo.com>
> Cc: detomaso <[6]detomaso at poca.com>
> Sent: Thu, Oct 23, 2014 6:17 am
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] All AL Engines
> Its a lot of money for mediocre performance.
> On Wednesday, October 22, 2014 5:11 PM, Ed Mendez <[7]edducati at mac.com>
> wrote:
> Damn I want a ride in that thing. Just don't kill me as the last GT-40
> superformance car I rode in spun out in heavy on coming traffic across
> 3 lanes of traffic and the only thing that saved us from being T-boned
> was that a lady hit our passenger side rear tire and stopped us from
> spinning.
> Cause, rear locked under heavy braking at 120mph.
> Wish I had my GoPro for that.
> Ed
> Sent from iPhone 5s
>> On Oct 22, 2014, at 13:57, Jack Dunn via DeTomaso
> <[1][8]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
>>
>> I bought a 438" CHI heads Dart iron block Windsor solid roller
> stroker
>> from MME about 5 yrs ago for my Superformance GT40. It is a
> fantastic
>> street engine, loads of torque and 630 HP. Apparently part of the
>> secret to a good torquey street motor is lots of cylinder pressure
> (I
>> recall measuring~220psi cranking pressure), and it doesn't detonate
> on
>> 93 octane. Therefore, based on my experience, I would definitely
>> recommend a MME engine. Mark Mckeown (owner) has a mechanical
>> engineering degree and he really knows his stuff.
>> FYI, I considered an AL block for this engine. But when I found out
>> from Mark that it would cost >$3000.00 extra to do everything
> necessary
>> to make the then current Dart AL block work, I passed. Bottom line:
> if
>> you do want an AL block engine, I would trust Mark to build the
> engine
>> correctly to work and last.
>> Jack
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For some reason the link is screwed up.
[1]http://www.ebay.com/itm/ALL-ALUMINUM-FORD-454CI-351-WINDSOR-ENGINE-6
00HP-WITH-KAASE-P-38-HEADS-/321022951127?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Acc
essories&hash=item4abe757ed7&vxp=mtr
On Oct 23, 2014, at 15:18, Ed Mendez <[2]edducati at mac.com> wrote:
Ok, I won't put any more MME stuff out there.
It was just an eBay auction I saw with an all aluminum Cleveland
block.
I had no idea it was going to cause this much controversy so to make
up
for it, here is an all aluminum World Products 454 cubic inch Windsor
complete engine with P-38 heads. :-) 600 horsies can I get a hell
yah!
[1][3]http://www.ebay.com/itm/ALL-ALUMINUM-FORD-454CI-351-WINDSOR-ENG
INE-6
00HP-WITH-KAASE-P-38-HEADS-/321022951127?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_A
cc
essories&hash=item4abe757ed7&vxp=mtr
Now I am probably going to get shit from the Cleveland purists. lol
or we can just all put in Chevy LS motors and call it a day, or
better
yet how about an all aluminum big block chevy. :-)
As Scott Bell says, it's a DeTomaso not a Ford!
hahahaha
Ed
On Oct 23, 2014, at 11:08, [2][4]JDeRyke at aol.com wrote:
FWIW: the reasons for picking an aftermarket aluminum block are -1)
repairability, 2)- lightness, 3)- capacity to use a BIG bore and
stroke
with a better oil system. My race block only drops about 50 lbs over
an
iron Cleveland; aluminum heads will drop more weight- 62 lbs! By far
the most valuable attribute is the big bore capacity and far better
oiling.
Next, most aluminum blocks are Windsor type except for MME's and
Buttermore's Cleveland copies and both come as raw castings that need
a
pro machine shop to complete, not just an engine builder. There isn't
a
single hole in those blocks that's threaded or bored as-delivered,
and
no surfaces are finished. There's a tremendous amount of machining
needed before they will bolt together. Thats why they're so expensive
as an operating engine.
-----Original Message-----
From: mark skwarek via DeTomaso <[3][5]detomaso at poca.com>
To: Ed Mendez <[4][6]edducati at mac.com>; Jack Dunn
<[5][7]po917k at yahoo.com>
Cc: detomaso <[6][8]detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Thu, Oct 23, 2014 6:17 am
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] All AL Engines
Its a lot of money for mediocre performance.
On Wednesday, October 22, 2014 5:11 PM, Ed Mendez
<[7][9]edducati at mac.com>
wrote:
Damn I want a ride in that thing. Just don't kill me as the last
GT-40
superformance car I rode in spun out in heavy on coming traffic
across
3 lanes of traffic and the only thing that saved us from being
T-boned
was that a lady hit our passenger side rear tire and stopped us from
spinning.
Cause, rear locked under heavy braking at 120mph.
Wish I had my GoPro for that.
Ed
Sent from iPhone 5s
On Oct 22, 2014, at 13:57, Jack Dunn via DeTomaso
<[1][8][10]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
I bought a 438" CHI heads Dart iron block Windsor solid roller
stroker
from MME about 5 yrs ago for my Superformance GT40. It is a
fantastic
street engine, loads of torque and 630 HP. Apparently part of the
secret to a good torquey street motor is lots of cylinder pressure
(I
recall measuring~220psi cranking pressure), and it doesn't detonate
on
93 octane. Therefore, based on my experience, I would definitely
recommend a MME engine. Mark Mckeown (owner) has a mechanical
engineering degree and he really knows his stuff.
FYI, I considered an AL block for this engine. But when I found out
from Mark that it would cost >$3000.00 extra to do everything
necessary
to make the then current Dart AL block work, I passed. Bottom line:
if
you do want an AL block engine, I would trust Mark to build the
engine
correctly to work and last.
Jack
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