[DeTomaso] All AL Engines

Ed Mendez edducati at mac.com
Thu Oct 23 18:19:56 EDT 2014


For some reason the link is screwed up.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ALL-ALUMINUM-FORD-454CI-351-WINDSOR-ENGINE-600HP-WITH-KAASE-P-38-HEADS-/321022951127?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4abe757ed7&vxp=mtr <http://www.ebay.com/itm/ALL-ALUMINUM-FORD-454CI-351-WINDSOR-ENGINE-600HP-WITH-KAASE-P-38-HEADS-/321022951127?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4abe757ed7&vxp=mtr>



> On Oct 23, 2014, at 15:18, Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com> wrote:
> 
>   Ok, I won't put any more MME stuff out there.
> 
>   It was just an eBay auction I saw with an all aluminum Cleveland block.
>   I had no idea it was going to cause this much controversy so to make up
>   for it, here is an all aluminum World Products 454 cubic inch Windsor
>   complete engine with P-38 heads. :-) 600 horsies can I get a hell yah!
>   [1]http://www.ebay.com/itm/ALL-ALUMINUM-FORD-454CI-351-WINDSOR-ENGINE-6
>   00HP-WITH-KAASE-P-38-HEADS-/321022951127?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Acc
>   essories&hash=item4abe757ed7&vxp=mtr
>   Now I am probably going to get shit from the Cleveland purists. lol
>   or we can just all put in Chevy LS motors and call it a day, or better
>   yet how about an all aluminum big block chevy. :-)
>   As Scott Bell says, it's a DeTomaso not a Ford!
>   hahahaha
>   Ed
> 
>   On Oct 23, 2014, at 11:08, [2]JDeRyke at aol.com wrote:
> 
>   FWIW: the reasons for picking an aftermarket aluminum block are -1)
>   repairability, 2)- lightness, 3)- capacity to use a BIG bore and stroke
>   with a better oil system. My race block only drops about 50 lbs over an
>   iron Cleveland; aluminum heads will drop more weight- 62 lbs! By far
>   the most valuable attribute is the big bore capacity and far better
>   oiling.
>   Next, most aluminum blocks are Windsor type except for MME's and
>   Buttermore's Cleveland copies and both come as raw castings that need a
>   pro machine shop to complete, not just an engine builder. There isn't a
>   single hole in those blocks that's threaded or bored as-delivered, and
>   no surfaces are finished. There's a tremendous amount of machining
>   needed before they will bolt together. Thats why they're so expensive
>   as an operating engine.
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: mark skwarek via DeTomaso <[3]detomaso at poca.com>
>   To: Ed Mendez <[4]edducati at mac.com>; Jack Dunn <[5]po917k at yahoo.com>
>   Cc: detomaso <[6]detomaso at poca.com>
>   Sent: Thu, Oct 23, 2014 6:17 am
>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] All AL Engines
>   Its a lot of money for mediocre performance.
>   On Wednesday, October 22, 2014 5:11 PM, Ed Mendez <[7]edducati at mac.com>
>   wrote:
>   Damn I want a ride in that thing. Just don't kill me as the last GT-40
>   superformance car I rode in spun out in heavy on coming traffic across
>   3 lanes of traffic and the only thing that saved us from being T-boned
>   was that a lady hit our passenger side rear tire and stopped us from
>   spinning.
>   Cause, rear locked under heavy braking at 120mph.
>   Wish I had my GoPro for that.
>   Ed
>   Sent from iPhone 5s
>> On Oct 22, 2014, at 13:57, Jack Dunn via DeTomaso
>   <[1][8]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
>> 
>>   I bought a 438" CHI heads Dart iron block Windsor solid roller
>   stroker
>> from MME about 5 yrs ago for my Superformance GT40. It is a
>   fantastic
>> street engine, loads of torque and 630 HP. Apparently part of the
>> secret to a good torquey street motor is lots of cylinder pressure
>   (I
>> recall measuring~220psi cranking pressure), and it doesn't detonate
>   on
>> 93 octane. Therefore, based on my experience, I would definitely
>> recommend a MME engine. Mark Mckeown (owner) has a mechanical
>> engineering degree and he really knows his stuff.
>> FYI, I considered an AL block for this engine. But when I found out
>> from Mark that it would cost >$3000.00 extra to do everything
>   necessary
>> to make the then current Dart AL block work, I passed. Bottom line:
>   if
>> you do want an AL block engine, I would trust Mark to build the
>   engine
>> correctly to work and last.
>> Jack
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   For some reason the link is screwed up.

   [1]http://www.ebay.com/itm/ALL-ALUMINUM-FORD-454CI-351-WINDSOR-ENGINE-6
   00HP-WITH-KAASE-P-38-HEADS-/321022951127?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Acc
   essories&hash=item4abe757ed7&vxp=mtr

   On Oct 23, 2014, at 15:18, Ed Mendez <[2]edducati at mac.com> wrote:

     Ok, I won't put any more MME stuff out there.
     It was just an eBay auction I saw with an all aluminum Cleveland
   block.
     I had no idea it was going to cause this much controversy so to make
   up
     for it, here is an all aluminum World Products 454 cubic inch Windsor
     complete engine with P-38 heads. :-) 600 horsies can I get a hell
   yah!
     [1][3]http://www.ebay.com/itm/ALL-ALUMINUM-FORD-454CI-351-WINDSOR-ENG
   INE-6
     00HP-WITH-KAASE-P-38-HEADS-/321022951127?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_A
   cc
     essories&hash=item4abe757ed7&vxp=mtr
     Now I am probably going to get shit from the Cleveland purists. lol
     or we can just all put in Chevy LS motors and call it a day, or
   better
     yet how about an all aluminum big block chevy. :-)
     As Scott Bell says, it's a DeTomaso not a Ford!
     hahahaha
     Ed
     On Oct 23, 2014, at 11:08, [2][4]JDeRyke at aol.com wrote:
     FWIW: the reasons for picking an aftermarket aluminum block are -1)
     repairability, 2)- lightness, 3)- capacity to use a BIG bore and
   stroke
     with a better oil system. My race block only drops about 50 lbs over
   an
     iron Cleveland; aluminum heads will drop more weight- 62 lbs! By far
     the most valuable attribute is the big bore capacity and far better
     oiling.
     Next, most aluminum blocks are Windsor type except for MME's and
     Buttermore's Cleveland copies and both come as raw castings that need
   a
     pro machine shop to complete, not just an engine builder. There isn't
   a
     single hole in those blocks that's threaded or bored as-delivered,
   and
     no surfaces are finished. There's a tremendous amount of machining
     needed before they will bolt together. Thats why they're so expensive
     as an operating engine.
     -----Original Message-----
     From: mark skwarek via DeTomaso <[3][5]detomaso at poca.com>
     To: Ed Mendez <[4][6]edducati at mac.com>; Jack Dunn
   <[5][7]po917k at yahoo.com>
     Cc: detomaso <[6][8]detomaso at poca.com>
     Sent: Thu, Oct 23, 2014 6:17 am
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] All AL Engines
     Its a lot of money for mediocre performance.
     On Wednesday, October 22, 2014 5:11 PM, Ed Mendez
   <[7][9]edducati at mac.com>
     wrote:
     Damn I want a ride in that thing. Just don't kill me as the last
   GT-40
     superformance car I rode in spun out in heavy on coming traffic
   across
     3 lanes of traffic and the only thing that saved us from being
   T-boned
     was that a lady hit our passenger side rear tire and stopped us from
     spinning.
     Cause, rear locked under heavy braking at 120mph.
     Wish I had my GoPro for that.
     Ed
     Sent from iPhone 5s

     On Oct 22, 2014, at 13:57, Jack Dunn via DeTomaso

     <[1][8][10]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:

       I bought a 438" CHI heads Dart iron block Windsor solid roller

     stroker

     from MME about 5 yrs ago for my Superformance GT40. It is a

     fantastic

     street engine, loads of torque and 630 HP. Apparently part of the
     secret to a good torquey street motor is lots of cylinder pressure

     (I

     recall measuring~220psi cranking pressure), and it doesn't detonate

     on

     93 octane. Therefore, based on my experience, I would definitely
     recommend a MME engine. Mark Mckeown (owner) has a mechanical
     engineering degree and he really knows his stuff.
     FYI, I considered an AL block for this engine. But when I found out
     from Mark that it would cost >$3000.00 extra to do everything

     necessary

     to make the then current Dart AL block work, I passed. Bottom line:

     if

     you do want an AL block engine, I would trust Mark to build the

     engine

     correctly to work and last.
     Jack
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