[DeTomaso] MME? WTF? HAVEN'T YOU GUYS LEARNED YOUR LESSON?
Ed Mendez
edducati at mac.com
Thu Oct 23 18:18:49 EDT 2014
Ok, I won’t put any more MME stuff out there.
It was just an eBay auction I saw with an all aluminum Cleveland block. I had no idea it was going to cause this much controversy so to make up for it, here is an all aluminum World Products 454 cubic inch Windsor complete engine with P-38 heads. :-) 600 horsies can I get a hell yah!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ALL-ALUMINUM-FORD-454CI-351-WINDSOR-ENGINE-600HP-WITH-KAASE-P-38-HEADS-/321022951127?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4abe757ed7&vxp=mtr <http://www.ebay.com/itm/ALL-ALUMINUM-FORD-454CI-351-WINDSOR-ENGINE-600HP-WITH-KAASE-P-38-HEADS-/321022951127?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4abe757ed7&vxp=mtr>
Now I am probably going to get shit from the Cleveland purists. lol
or we can just all put in Chevy LS motors and call it a day, or better yet how about an all aluminum big block chevy. :-)
As Scott Bell says, it’s a DeTomaso not a Ford!
hahahaha
Ed
> On Oct 23, 2014, at 13:10, B Hower <b.hower3400 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I don't know what truly has transpired in the past in regard to ripoff. But to be somewhat fair, I think there has been very little new items on the market that did not benefit from someones previous efforts. JMHO
>
> Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! )
>
> From: Mikael <mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk>
> To: michael at michaelshortt.com; Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com>
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com; clewis at dmn.net
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 2:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] MME? WTF? HAVEN'T YOU GUYS LEARNED YOUR LESSON?
>
> MME. Always a topic that starts a debate. Myself, I don't know. My MME engine had a failure. After 3 years and 4500 miles. MME's fault? Don't know. Could be someone, including me, overreving it, it goes through 2nd gear so fast you wouldn't believe it. I've put on a revlimiter now. When I had the failure, MME initially clearly tried to protect themselves by not giving any guess as to why it failed, the typical American "don't admit anyting or a lawsuit is coming" response. But when I made it clear I was not blaming them, they were very helpful with parts and advice, parts at almost Summit prices.
>
> Can you really buy a 600hp engine and expect it to live forever? If it had failed within 300 miles, I would be knocking on their door, but after that, I consider it my own risk. And I know it will fail some day, if I'm lucky it'll take a few years.
>
> Worrying of course to read the ripoff stories. But is there any volume engine builder that hasn't got dissatisfied customers? If I were an engine builder I would worry about how the customer treats my engine. Reving when cold, over heating, over reving. When I took delivery of my Pantera, I had to add 3 liters of oil to get it up to the full mark (8 liter pan), can't have been good for it.
>
> Chris, as you describe it you've not been treated fairly, I agree, but there seems to be many customers that have?
>
> Would I buy another MME engine? Based on the relationship I have with them now, yes. And frankly, if I ruled out MME, where can I get Cleveland like mine? Who else builds them at this volume? If indeed Buttermore has been ripped off, that would change my mind
>
>
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> Original Message
> From: michael at michaelshortt.com <mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com>
> Sent: torsdag den 23. oktober 2014 18.25
> To: Ed Mendez
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com <mailto:detomaso at poca.com>; clewis at dmn.net <mailto:clewis at dmn.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] MME? WTF? HAVEN'T YOU GUYS LEARNED YOUR LESSON?
>
> Good feedback and info to share,
>
> Thx
> On Oct 23, 2014 12:20 PM, "Ed Mendez" <edducati at mac.com <mailto:edducati at mac.com>> wrote:
>
> > I hear you Chris.
> >
> > :-)
> >
> >
> > > On Oct 22, 2014, at 21:44, clewis at dmn.net <mailto:clewis at dmn.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > I cannot believe that any of you guys are even contemplating giving MME,
> > McKeown Motor Sport Engineering, a single
> > > dollar of your money
> > >
> > >
> > > Here are all the reasons you need not to do business with Mark & Heather
> > Mckeown:
> > >
> > > 1)
> > http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/McKeown-Motorsport-engineering-Inc/Waldorf-Maryland-20602/McKeown-Motorsport- <http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/McKeown-Motorsport-engineering-Inc/Waldorf-Maryland-20602/McKeown-Motorsport->
> > >
> > engineering-Inc-Mark-McKeown-We-employed-MME-to-build-a-race-engine-tha-986958
> > >
> > >
> > > 2)
> > http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/McKeown-Motorsport-Engineering/-Waldorf-Maryland-20604/McKeown-Motorsport-Engineering- <http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/McKeown-Motorsport-Engineering/-Waldorf-Maryland-20604/McKeown-Motorsport-Engineering->
> > > Poor-workmanship-poor-quality-their-work-was-not-what-I-745524
> > >
> > > 3)
> > http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/McKeown-Motorsport-Engineering/internet/McKeown-Motorsport-Engineering-MME-Racing-Bad- <http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/McKeown-Motorsport-Engineering/internet/McKeown-Motorsport-Engineering-MME-Racing-Bad->
> > > Engine-Build-Bad-Business-Practices-Bad-Cu-530310
> > >
> > > My build cost me over $20K. It did not even make it 800 miles before
> > catastrophic failure of the valve train.
> > >
> > > Even after Jesel performed a detailed failure analysis and provided a
> > report with microscopic examination of the
> > > failure mode that clearly found the failure was the result of ENGINE
> > BUILDER errors, Mark McKeown would not do anything
> > > to make the situation right. He would not stand behind his product in
> > any way.
> > >
> > > I mean they could not even get a set of valve covers right. They were
> > delivered with no provision for a breather or
> > > oil fill. How was I supposed to get oil into the engine using those
> > valve covers?
> > >
> > > Anyway, I hope to god none of you have to go through what I did.
> > >
> > > Chris Lewis
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Ok, I won't put any more MME stuff out there.
It was just an eBay auction I saw with an all aluminum Cleveland block.
I had no idea it was going to cause this much controversy so to make up
for it, here is an all aluminum World Products 454 cubic inch Windsor
complete engine with P-38 heads. :-) 600 horsies can I get a hell yah!
[1]http://www.ebay.com/itm/ALL-ALUMINUM-FORD-454CI-351-WINDSOR-ENGINE-6
00HP-WITH-KAASE-P-38-HEADS-/321022951127?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Acc
essories&hash=item4abe757ed7&vxp=mtr
Now I am probably going to get shit from the Cleveland purists. lol
or we can just all put in Chevy LS motors and call it a day, or better
yet how about an all aluminum big block chevy. :-)
As Scott Bell says, it's a DeTomaso not a Ford!
hahahaha
Ed
On Oct 23, 2014, at 13:10, B Hower <[2]b.hower3400 at yahoo.com> wrote:
I don't know what truly has transpired in the past in regard to ripoff.
But to be somewhat fair, I think there has been very little new items
on the market that did not benefit from someones previous efforts. JMHO
Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be
! )
__________________________________________________________________
From: Mikael <[3]mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk>
To: [4]michael at michaelshortt.com; Ed Mendez <[5]edducati at mac.com>
Cc: [6]detomaso at poca.com; [7]clewis at dmn.net
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] MME? WTF? HAVEN'T YOU GUYS LEARNED YOUR LESSON?
MME. Always a topic that starts a debate. Myself, I don't know. My MME
engine had a failure. After 3 years and 4500 miles. MME's fault? Don't
know. Could be someone, including me, overreving it, it goes through
2nd gear so fast you wouldn't believe it. I've put on a revlimiter now.
When I had the failure, MME initially clearly tried to protect
themselves by not giving any guess as to why it failed, the typical
American "don't admit anyting or a lawsuit is coming" response. But
when I made it clear I was not blaming them, they were very helpful
with parts and advice, parts at almost Summit prices.
Can you really buy a 600hp engine and expect it to live forever? If it
had failed within 300 miles, I would be knocking on their door, but
after that, I consider it my own risk. And I know it will fail some
day, if I'm lucky it'll take a few years.
Worrying of course to read the ripoff stories. But is there any volume
engine builder that hasn't got dissatisfied customers? If I were an
engine builder I would worry about how the customer treats my engine.
Reving when cold, over heating, over reving. When I took delivery of my
Pantera, I had to add 3 liters of oil to get it up to the full mark (8
liter pan), can't have been good for it.
Chris, as you describe it you've not been treated fairly, I agree, but
there seems to be many customers that have?
Would I buy another MME engine? Based on the relationship I have with
them now, yes. And frankly, if I ruled out MME, where can I get
Cleveland like mine? Who else builds them at this volume? If indeed
Buttermore has been ripped off, that would change my mind
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Original Message
From: [8]michael at michaelshortt.com
Sent: torsdag den 23. oktober 2014 18.25
To: Ed Mendez
Cc: [9]detomaso at poca.com; [10]clewis at dmn.net
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] MME? WTF? HAVEN'T YOU GUYS LEARNED YOUR LESSON?
Good feedback and info to share,
Thx
On Oct 23, 2014 12:20 PM, "Ed Mendez" <[11]edducati at mac.com> wrote:
> I hear you Chris.
>
> :-)
>
>
> > On Oct 22, 2014, at 21:44, [12]clewis at dmn.net wrote:
> >
> > I cannot believe that any of you guys are even contemplating giving
MME,
> McKeown Motor Sport Engineering, a single
> > dollar of your money
> >
> >
> > Here are all the reasons you need not to do business with Mark &
Heather
> Mckeown:
> >
> > 1)
>
[13]http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/McKeown-Motorsport-engineering-Inc/Wa
ldorf-Maryland-20602/McKeown-Motorsport-
> >
>
engineering-Inc-Mark-McKeown-We-employed-MME-to-build-a-race-engine-tha
-986958
> >
> >
> > 2)
>
[14]http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/McKeown-Motorsport-Engineering/-Waldo
rf-Maryland-20604/McKeown-Motorsport-Engineering-
> > Poor-workmanship-poor-quality-their-work-was-not-what-I-745524
> >
> > 3)
>
[15]http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/McKeown-Motorsport-Engineering/intern
et/McKeown-Motorsport-Engineering-MME-Racing-Bad-
> > Engine-Build-Bad-Business-Practices-Bad-Cu-530310
> >
> > My build cost me over $20K. It did not even make it 800 miles
before
> catastrophic failure of the valve train.
> >
> > Even after Jesel performed a detailed failure analysis and provided
a
> report with microscopic examination of the
> > failure mode that clearly found the failure was the result of
ENGINE
> BUILDER errors, Mark McKeown would not do anything
> > to make the situation right. He would not stand behind his product
in
> any way.
> >
> > I mean they could not even get a set of valve covers right. They
were
> delivered with no provision for a breather or
> > oil fill. How was I supposed to get oil into the engine using those
> valve covers?
> >
> > Anyway, I hope to god none of you have to go through what I did.
> >
> > Chris Lewis
> >
> >
> >
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1. http://www.ebay.com/itm/ALL-ALUMINUM-FORD-454CI-351-WINDSOR-ENGINE-600HP-WITH-KAASE-P-38-HEADS-/321022951127?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4abe757ed7&vxp=mtr
2. mailto:b.hower3400 at yahoo.com
3. mailto:mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk
4. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
5. mailto:edducati at mac.com
6. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
7. mailto:clewis at dmn.net
8. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
9. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
10. mailto:clewis at dmn.net
11. mailto:edducati at mac.com
12. mailto:clewis at dmn.net
13. http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/McKeown-Motorsport-engineering-Inc/Waldorf-Maryland-20602/McKeown-Motorsport-
14. http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/McKeown-Motorsport-Engineering/-Waldorf-Maryland-20604/McKeown-Motorsport-Engineering-
15. http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/McKeown-Motorsport-Engineering/internet/McKeown-Motorsport-Engineering-MME-Racing-Bad-
16. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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