[DeTomaso] MME? WTF? HAVEN'T YOU GUYS LEARNED YOUR LESSON?

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Thu Oct 23 16:10:05 EDT 2014 

I don't know what truly has transpired in the past in regard to ripoff. But to be somewhat fair, I think there has been very little new items on the market that did not benefit from someones previous efforts. JMHO
 Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! )
      From: Mikael <mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk>
 To: michael at michaelshortt.com; Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com> 
Cc: detomaso at poca.com; clewis at dmn.net 
 Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 2:40 PM
 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] MME? WTF? HAVEN'T YOU GUYS LEARNED YOUR LESSON?
   
MME. Always a topic that starts a debate. Myself, I don't know. My MME engine had a failure. After 3 years and 4500 miles. MME's fault? Don't know. Could be someone, including me, overreving it, it goes through 2nd gear so fast you wouldn't believe it. I've put on a revlimiter now. When I had the failure, MME initially clearly tried to protect themselves by not giving any guess as to why it failed, the typical American "don't admit anyting or a lawsuit is coming" response. But when I made it clear I was not blaming them, they were very helpful with parts and advice, parts at almost Summit prices. 

Can you really buy a 600hp engine and expect it to live forever? If it had failed within 300 miles, I would be knocking on their door, but after that, I consider it my own risk. And I know it will fail some day, if I'm lucky it'll take a few years. 

Worrying of course to read the ripoff stories. But is there any volume engine builder that hasn't got dissatisfied customers? If I were an engine builder I would worry about how the customer treats my engine. Reving when cold, over heating, over reving. When I took delivery of my Pantera, I had to add 3 liters of oil to get it up to the full mark (8 liter pan), can't have been good for it. 

Chris, as you describe it you've not been treated fairly, I agree, but there seems to be many customers that have?‎ 

Would I buy another MME engine? Based on the relationship I have with them now, yes. And frankly, if I ruled out MME, where can I get Cleveland like mine? Who else builds them at this volume? ‎If indeed Buttermore has been ripped off, that would change my mind


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From: michael at michaelshortt.com
Sent: torsdag den 23. oktober 2014 18.25
To: Ed Mendez
Cc: detomaso at poca.com; clewis at dmn.net
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] MME? WTF? HAVEN'T YOU GUYS LEARNED YOUR LESSON?

Good feedback and info to share,

Thx
On Oct 23, 2014 12:20 PM, "Ed Mendez" <edducati at mac.com> wrote:

> I hear you Chris.
>
> :-)
>
>
> > On Oct 22, 2014, at 21:44, clewis at dmn.net wrote:
> >
> > I cannot believe that any of you guys are even contemplating giving MME,
> McKeown Motor Sport Engineering, a single
> > dollar of your money
> >
> >
> > Here are all the reasons you need not to do business with Mark & Heather
> Mckeown:
> >
> > 1)
> http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/McKeown-Motorsport-engineering-Inc/Waldorf-Maryland-20602/McKeown-Motorsport-
> >
> engineering-Inc-Mark-McKeown-We-employed-MME-to-build-a-race-engine-tha-986958
> >
> >
> > 2)
> http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/McKeown-Motorsport-Engineering/-Waldorf-Maryland-20604/McKeown-Motorsport-Engineering-
> > Poor-workmanship-poor-quality-their-work-was-not-what-I-745524
> >
> > 3)
> http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/McKeown-Motorsport-Engineering/internet/McKeown-Motorsport-Engineering-MME-Racing-Bad-
> > Engine-Build-Bad-Business-Practices-Bad-Cu-530310
> >
> > My build cost me over $20K. It did not even make it 800 miles before
> catastrophic failure of the valve train.
> >
> > Even after Jesel performed a detailed failure analysis and provided a
> report with microscopic examination of the
> > failure mode that clearly found the failure was the result of ENGINE
> BUILDER errors, Mark McKeown would not do anything
> > to make the situation right. He would not stand behind his product in
> any way.
> >
> > I mean they could not even get a set of valve covers right. They were
> delivered with no provision for a breather or
> > oil fill. How was I supposed to get oil into the engine using those
> valve covers?
> >
> > Anyway, I hope to god none of you have to go through what I did.
> >
> > Chris Lewis
> >
> >
> >
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   I don't know what truly has transpired in the past in regard to ripoff.
   But to be somewhat fair, I think there has been very little new items
   on the market that did not benefit from someones previous efforts. JMHO

   Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be
   ! )
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   From: Mikael <mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk>
   To: michael at michaelshortt.com; Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com>
   Cc: detomaso at poca.com; clewis at dmn.net
   Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 2:40 PM
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] MME? WTF? HAVEN'T YOU GUYS LEARNED YOUR LESSON?
   MME. Always a topic that starts a debate. Myself, I don't know. My MME
   engine had a failure. After 3 years and 4500 miles. MME's fault? Don't
   know. Could be someone, including me, overreving it, it goes through
   2nd gear so fast you wouldn't believe it. I've put on a revlimiter now.
   When I had the failure, MME initially clearly tried to protect
   themselves by not giving any guess as to why it failed, the typical
   American "don't admit anyting or a lawsuit is coming" response. But
   when I made it clear I was not blaming them, they were very helpful
   with parts and advice, parts at almost Summit prices.
   Can you really buy a 600hp engine and expect it to live forever? If it
   had failed within 300 miles, I would be knocking on their door, but
   after that, I consider it my own risk. And I know it will fail some
   day, if I'm lucky it'll take a few years.
   Worrying of course to read the ripoff stories. But is there any volume
   engine builder that hasn't got dissatisfied customers? If I were an
   engine builder I would worry about how the customer treats my engine.
   Reving when cold, over heating, over reving. When I took delivery of my
   Pantera, I had to add 3 liters of oil to get it up to the full mark (8
   liter pan), can't have been good for it.
   Chris, as you describe it you've not been treated fairly, I agree, but
   there seems to be many customers that have?a
   Would I buy another MME engine? Based on the relationship I have with
   them now, yes. And frankly, if I ruled out MME, where can I get
   Cleveland like mine? Who else builds them at this volume? aIf indeed
   Buttermore has been ripped off, that would change my mind
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     Original Message
   From: [1]michael at michaelshortt.com
   Sent: torsdag den 23. oktober 2014 18.25
   To: Ed Mendez
   Cc: [2]detomaso at poca.com; [3]clewis at dmn.net
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] MME? WTF? HAVEN'T YOU GUYS LEARNED YOUR LESSON?
   Good feedback and info to share,
   Thx
   On Oct 23, 2014 12:20 PM, "Ed Mendez" <[4]edducati at mac.com> wrote:
   > I hear you Chris.
   >
   > :-)
   >
   >
   > > On Oct 22, 2014, at 21:44, [5]clewis at dmn.net wrote:
   > >
   > > I cannot believe that any of you guys are even contemplating giving
   MME,
   > McKeown Motor Sport Engineering, a single
   > > dollar of your money
   > >
   > >
   > > Here are all the reasons you need not to do business with Mark &
   Heather
   > Mckeown:
   > >
   > > 1)
   >
   [6]http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/McKeown-Motorsport-engineering-Inc/Wal
   dorf-Maryland-20602/McKeown-Motorsport-
   > >
   >
   engineering-Inc-Mark-McKeown-We-employed-MME-to-build-a-race-engine-tha
   -986958
   > >
   > >
   > > 2)
   >
   [7]http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/McKeown-Motorsport-Engineering/-Waldor
   f-Maryland-20604/McKeown-Motorsport-Engineering-
   > > Poor-workmanship-poor-quality-their-work-was-not-what-I-745524
   > >
   > > 3)
   >
   [8]http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/McKeown-Motorsport-Engineering/interne
   t/McKeown-Motorsport-Engineering-MME-Racing-Bad-
   > > Engine-Build-Bad-Business-Practices-Bad-Cu-530310
   > >
   > > My build cost me over $20K. It did not even make it 800 miles
   before
   > catastrophic failure of the valve train.
   > >
   > > Even after Jesel performed a detailed failure analysis and provided
   a
   > report with microscopic examination of the
   > > failure mode that clearly found the failure was the result of
   ENGINE
   > BUILDER errors, Mark McKeown would not do anything
   > > to make the situation right. He would not stand behind his product
   in
   > any way.
   > >
   > > I mean they could not even get a set of valve covers right. They
   were
   > delivered with no provision for a breather or
   > > oil fill. How was I supposed to get oil into the engine using those
   > valve covers?
   > >
   > > Anyway, I hope to god none of you have to go through what I did.
   > >
   > > Chris Lewis
   > >
   > >
   > >
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References

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   3. mailto:clewis at dmn.net
   4. mailto:edducati at mac.com
   5. mailto:clewis at dmn.net
   6. http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/McKeown-Motorsport-engineering-Inc/Waldorf-Maryland-20602/McKeown-Motorsport-
   7. http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/McKeown-Motorsport-Engineering/-Waldorf-Maryland-20604/McKeown-Motorsport-Engineering-
   8. http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/McKeown-Motorsport-Engineering/internet/McKeown-Motorsport-Engineering-MME-Racing-Bad-
   9. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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