[DeTomaso] stock pantera's

Boyd Casey boyd411 at gmail.com
Sun Oct 19 14:25:21 EDT 2014 

Some of these people who are buying "Stock" low mileage cars (under 10,000
miles) I think are obviously not buying them to drive them , but for
investment purposes. So the inadequacies of the truly stock cars are
unimportant to them. I bought my car to drive, so the brakes , wheels
(needed to fit brakes) cooling, and electronics were important to me. While
I was at it doubling the HP didn't seem like a bad idea either! So I may
not set any sale price records but if I were buying a car as a non-driving
investment I wouldn't have purchased a Pantera,

Boyd

On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 12:54 AM, Pantdino via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
wrote:

>    If you mean by stock literally "as it left the factory" with inadequate
>    Lucas cooling fans, inadequate radiator, retarded timing, etc, then I
>    agree that stock cars are not something you'd want.
>
>
>
>    But fix those basic things and the car is fine and the narrow-bodied
>    cars are the purest design
>
>
>
>    Jim
>
>
>
>
>
>    -----Original Message-----
>    From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
>    To: Bob Lehmann <bob at longwood2.com>; DeTomaso <DeTomaso at poca.com>
>    Sent: Sat, Oct 18, 2014 6:06 am
>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] stock pantera's
> That is exactly why I think Pantera prices for narrow bodied cars will
> remain low.  Special cars will go up for rarity and historical
> significance, but the rest will remain low.  (my opinion)
>
> I do not believe they had all the problems everyone complains about.  I
> drove my mostly stock car every day for about 8 years.  The only problems
> I had were related to the age of the car.
>
> But the general public and many owners believe they sucked.  Even Jay Leno
> said in regards to stock Panteras, A^3You donA^1t want that.  They
> werenA^1t
> very good from the factory. They overheated. (They had) suspension
> problemsAA^2  Suspension problems?  Seriously?
>
> But thatA^1s okay with me.  Low Pantera prices means some day I might buy
> another.  If my car were worth $1M, I wouldnA^1t sell.
>
>
> On 10/18/14, 12:36 AM, "Bob Lehmann" <[1]bob at longwood2.com> wrote:
>
> >CanA^1t believe anyone would want a stock pantera.  The reason one
> doesnA^1t
> >see stock panteraA^1s because they were awful, got hot, a/c didnA^1t work
> >well, brakes were so so, etc.  This is why Hall Pantera and Mind Train
> >got started with all the new stuff that was better.
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   Some of these people who are buying "Stock" low mileage cars (under
   10,000 miles) I think are obviously not buying them to drive them , but
   for investment purposes. So the inadequacies of the truly stock cars
   are unimportant to them. I bought my car to drive, so the brakes ,
   wheels (needed to fit brakes) cooling, and electronics were important
   to me. While I was at it doubling the HP didn't seem like a bad idea
   either! So I may not set any sale price records but if I were buying a
   car as a non-driving investment I wouldn't have purchased a Pantera,
   Boyd

   On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 12:54 AM, Pantdino via DeTomaso
   <[1]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:

     A  A If you mean by stock literally "as it left the factory" with
     inadequate
     A  A Lucas cooling fans, inadequate radiator, retarded timing, etc,
     then I
     A  A agree that stock cars are not something you'd want.
     A  A But fix those basic things and the car is fine and the
     narrow-bodied
     A  A cars are the purest design
     A  A Jim
     A  A -----Original Message-----
     A  A From: Will Kooiman <[2]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
     A  A To: Bob Lehmann <[3]bob at longwood2.com>; DeTomaso
     <[4]DeTomaso at poca.com>
     A  A Sent: Sat, Oct 18, 2014 6:06 am
     A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] stock pantera's
     That is exactly why I think Pantera prices for narrow bodied cars
     will
     remain low.A  Special cars will go up for rarity and historical
     significance, but the rest will remain low.A  (my opinion)
     I do not believe they had all the problems everyone complains
     about.A  I
     drove my mostly stock car every day for about 8 years.A  The only
     problems
     I had were related to the age of the car.
     But the general public and many owners believe they sucked.A  Even
     Jay Leno
     said in regards to stock Panteras, A^3You donA^1t want that.A  They
     werenA^1t
     very good from the factory. They overheated. (They had) suspension
     problemsAA^2A  Suspension problems?A  Seriously?
     But thatA^1s okay with me.A  Low Pantera prices means some day I
     might buy
     another.A  If my car were worth $1M, I wouldnA^1t sell.
     On 10/18/14, 12:36 AM, "Bob Lehmann" <[1][5]bob at longwood2.com>
     wrote:
     >CanA^1t believe anyone would want a stock pantera.A  The reason one
     doesnA^1t
     >see stock panteraA^1s because they were awful, got hot, a/c
     didnA^1t work
     >well, brakes were so so, etc.A  This is why Hall Pantera and Mind
     Train
     >got started with all the new stuff that was better.
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   4. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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   8. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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  10. mailto:bob at longwood2.com
  11. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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  13. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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