[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 124, Issue 8
Paul Rimov
rimovp at gmail.com
Thu Oct 9 13:07:12 EDT 2014
Although I do not get a say any longer because I am no longer a Pcar owner, I will chime in any way. I think the 275/55/15 would be a much better choice for both the 8 and 10. The 275/55/15 is a much closer size to the P7 285/55/15 of days ago that I feel was the best looking tire and best suited tire for the car
Cheers
Paul
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> 1. Tachometer (Larry Weston)
> 2. Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 124, Issue 7 (Paul A Rimov)
> 3. Re: NPC looking for GT40 Replica (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
> 4. michelin tires (Patrick Bouzaglou)
> 5. NPC: A-to-Z Car Collection up for Auction (Mike Thomas)
> 6. GT40s replicas (David)
> 7. New Avon Tyres 295-50-15 (michael at michaelshortt.com)
> 8. Re: V-rated 295-50-15 tire from Avon (audionut at hushmail.com)
> 9. Euro rally crash - amazing near misses (Larry Finch)
> 10. Great Group 4 Pantera video (Mike Drew)
> 11. Re: ZF for sale (Sam)
> 12. Extra activities at The Fun Rally (clarkewilma)
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> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 15:55:30 -0400
> From: Larry Weston <lplugw at hotmail.com>
> To: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
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> Wondering if anyone may have a lead on one?
> Thx,
> Larry
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> Wondering if anyone may have a lead on one?
> Thx,
> Larry
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> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 13:43:19 -0700
> From: Paul A Rimov <rimovp at gmail.com>
> To: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
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> I know some one, oh me, that lives a couple of minutes away that would be glad to do preliminary inspection and appraisal if the buyer is serious. Paul
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>> On Oct 7, 2014, at 12:00 PM, detomaso-request at poca.com wrote:
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>> Today's Topics:
>>
>> 1. V-rated 295-50-15 tire from Avon (Garth Rodericks)
>> 2. Re: NPC looking for GT40 Replica (bill gaino)
>> 3. Re: NPC looking for GT40 Replica (Julian Kift)
>> 4. Re: V-rated 295-50-15 tire from Avon (Tom Shinrock)
>> 5. Re: V-rated 295-50-15 tire from Avon (LS)
>> 6. Re: V-rated 295-50-15 tire from Avon (jderyke at aol.com)
>> 7. Re: V-rated 295-50-15 tire from Avon (Tom Shinrock)
>> 8. Re: Pantera Mod Ideas? (John Taphorn)
>> 9. 295-50-15 Avon Tyres (michael at michaelshortt.com)
>> 10. Re: Cluch master hard line fitting thread size (Panteratime)
>> 11. Re: POCA Facebook "LIKE" Page, Group and Twitter accounts
>> (Mike Drew)
>> 12. Re: PNW October Meeting (Christopher Kimball)
>> 13. Re: 295-50-15 Avon Tyres (audionut at hushmail.com)
>> 14. Re: [SCPOCA] Gas Monkey Car Located [9 Attachments] (MDBell)
>> 15. Re: Pantera Mod Ideas? (Ron Hyde)
>> 16. Re: Pantera Mod Ideas? (michael barnes)
>> 17. Re: 295-50-15 Avon Tyres (jderyke at aol.com)
>> 18. Re: 245 front tires (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
>> 19. Re: V-rated 295-50-15 tire from Avon (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
>> 20. Michelin to offer 15" tires again (DtomasoCat at aol.com)
>> 21. Re: Michelin to offer 15" tires again (Julian Kift)
>> 22. AVON tires (Tom Shinrock)
>> 23. ZF for sale (Paul Timko)
>> 24. Re: 245 front tires (Curt Hall)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 12:01:13 -0700
>> From: Garth Rodericks <garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>
>> To: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] V-rated 295-50-15 tire from Avon
>> Message-ID:
>> <1412622073.84355.YahooMailNeo at web125002.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> This may be old news, but Avon has a V-rated 295-50-15 tire for the rear of our cars
>> http://www.avonmotorsport.com/historic/historic/cr6zz
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Garth
>> -------------- next part --------------
>> This may be old news, but Avon has a V-rated 295-50-15 tire for the
>> rear of our cars
>> [1]http://www.avonmotorsport.com/historic/historic/cr6zz
>> Cheers!
>> Garth
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. http://www.avonmotorsport.com/historic/historic/cr6zz
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 15:05:37 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
>> From: bill gaino <gaino at earthlink.net>
>> To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>, michael at michaelshortt.com,
>> detomaso at poca.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC looking for GT40 Replica
>> Message-ID:
>> <13983034.1412622337730.JavaMail.root at elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>
>> Here is a great car by a famous builder. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Ford-GT-black-GT40-CAV-Mk1-built-and-owned-by-Randy-Grubb-/221568726758?forcerrptr=true&hash=item33968676e6&item=221568726758&pt=US_Cars_Trucks
>>
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fref=ts
>> If you want it slick. www.slickpaint.com like us on facebook
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>>> Sent: Oct 5, 2014 11:00 PM
>>> To: michael at michaelshortt.com, detomaso at poca.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC looking for GT40 Replica
>>>
>>> That's an all encompassing search, how about narrowing it down to level
>>> of GT40 (space frame vs. monocoque) he is looking for and budget? Any
>>> constraints on the year of title? I recently sold my KVA MK1 for $50K,
>>> that's about as cheap as you are going to find a finished and
>>> registered kit and the guy still wasn't happy.
>>> As I'm in Canada for the next 3-5 years and my ERA is not legible for
>>> entry the use it is going to get is going to be minimal if any, so I'd
>>> consider selling it for the right price.
>>> Julian
>>> Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2014 21:22:17 -0400
>>> From: michael at michaelshortt.com
>>> To: detomaso at poca.com
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC looking for GT40 Replica
>>> I'm helping a friend who is looking for a GT40 replica, let me know if you
>>> are aware of any seeking a new home.
>>>
>>> Michael Shortt
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed
>>> by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com
>>> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 12:18:56 -0700
>> From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>> To: bill gaino <gaino at earthlink.net>, "michael at michaelshortt.com"
>> <michael at michaelshortt.com>, De Tomaso List <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC looking for GT40 Replica
>> Message-ID: <BAY173-W186E8C98D31D23EE82FC4095A50 at phx.gbl>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> I have seen and sat in Randy's CAV, that really is a great price for a fully sorted and well built CAV. A Superformance roller is $105K without options now and an 18 month wait. The CAV is a great choice for the tall 6' plus guy that would struggle in some of the other GT40 replica marques.
>>
>> This is a good resource and price comparison for GT40's for sale; http://www.cobracountry.com/home5-GT40sForSale.html
>>
>> Julian
>>
>>
>>
>>> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 15:05:37 -0400
>>> From: gaino at earthlink.net
>>> To: julian_kift at hotmail.com; michael at michaelshortt.com; detomaso at poca.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC looking for GT40 Replica
>>>
>>> Here is a great car by a famous builder. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Ford-GT-black-GT40-CAV-Mk1-built-and-owned-by-Randy-Grubb-/221568726758?forcerrptr=true&hash=item33968676e6&item=221568726758&pt=US_Cars_Trucks
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fref=ts
>>> If you want it slick. www.slickpaint.com like us on facebook
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>>>> Sent: Oct 5, 2014 11:00 PM
>>>> To: michael at michaelshortt.com, detomaso at poca.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC looking for GT40 Replica
>>>>
>>>> That's an all encompassing search, how about narrowing it down to level
>>>> of GT40 (space frame vs. monocoque) he is looking for and budget? Any
>>>> constraints on the year of title? I recently sold my KVA MK1 for $50K,
>>>> that's about as cheap as you are going to find a finished and
>>>> registered kit and the guy still wasn't happy.
>>>> As I'm in Canada for the next 3-5 years and my ERA is not legible for
>>>> entry the use it is going to get is going to be minimal if any, so I'd
>>>> consider selling it for the right price.
>>>> Julian
>>>> Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2014 21:22:17 -0400
>>>> From: michael at michaelshortt.com
>>>> To: detomaso at poca.com
>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC looking for GT40 Replica
>>>> I'm helping a friend who is looking for a GT40 replica, let me know if you
>>>> are aware of any seeking a new home.
>>>>
>>>> Michael Shortt
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed
>>>> by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com
>>>> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>
>> -------------- next part --------------
>> I have seen and sat in Randy's CAV, that really is a great price for a
>> fully sorted and well built CAV. A Superformance roller is $105K
>> without options now and an 18 month wait. The CAV is a great choice for
>> the tall 6' plus guy that would struggle in some of the other GT40
>> replica marques.
>>
>> This is a good resource and price comparison for GT40's for sale;
>> [1]http://www.cobracountry.com/home5-GT40sForSale.html
>>
>> Julian
>>
>>
>>
>>> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 15:05:37 -0400
>>> From: gaino at earthlink.net
>>> To: julian_kift at hotmail.com; michael at michaelshortt.com;
>> detomaso at poca.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC looking for GT40 Replica
>>>
>>> Here is a great car by a famous builder.
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Ford-GT-black-GT40-CAV-Mk1-built-and-owned
>> -by-Randy-Grubb-/221568726758?forcerrptr=true&hash=item33968676e6&item=
>> 221568726758&pt=US_Cars_Trucks
>> https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fre
>> f=ts
>>> If you want it slick. www.slickpaint.com like us on facebook
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>>>> Sent: Oct 5, 2014 11:00 PM
>>>> To: michael at michaelshortt.com, detomaso at poca.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC looking for GT40 Replica
>>>>
>>>> That's an all encompassing search, how about narrowing it down to
>> level
>>>> of GT40 (space frame vs. monocoque) he is looking for and budget?
>> Any
>>>> constraints on the year of title? I recently sold my KVA MK1 for
>> $50K,
>>>> that's about as cheap as you are going to find a finished and
>>>> registered kit and the guy still wasn't happy.
>>>> As I'm in Canada for the next 3-5 years and my ERA is not legible
>> for
>>>> entry the use it is going to get is going to be minimal if any, so
>> I'd
>>>> consider selling it for the right price.
>>>> Julian
>>>> Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2014 21:22:17 -0400
>>>> From: michael at michaelshortt.com
>>>> To: detomaso at poca.com
>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC looking for GT40 Replica
>>>> I'm helping a friend who is looking for a GT40 replica, let me know
>> if you
>>>> are aware of any seeking a new home.
>>>>
>>>> Michael Shortt
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum
>> Managed
>>>> by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com
>>>> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. http://www.cobracountry.com/home5-GT40sForSale.html
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 15:36:02 -0400
>> From: Tom Shinrock <tmshinro at aol.com>
>> To: detomaso at poca.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] V-rated 295-50-15 tire from Avon
>> Message-ID: <8D1AFB3E582411F-1A3C-243AA at webmail-va220.sysops.aol.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>>
>> Has anybody put these on their Panteras yet? Would be interested in how well it performs and what the wear life is?
>>
>> I've heard they cost around $500 each but at least it's an option for us guys running factory 10 inch rims to get speed rated street tires.
>>
>> Tom
>> 5186
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
>> To: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Sent: Mon, Oct 6, 2014 2:08 pm
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] V-rated 295-50-15 tire from Avon
>>
>>
>> This may be old news, but Avon has a V-rated 295-50-15 tire for the
>> rear of our cars
>> [1]http://www.avonmotorsport.com/historic/historic/cr6zz
>> Cheers!
>> Garth
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. http://www.avonmotorsport.com/historic/historic/cr6zz
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
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>> -------------- next part --------------
>> Has anybody put these on their Panteras yet? Would be interested in
>> how well it performs and what the wear life is?
>> I've heard they cost around $500 each but at least it's an option for
>> us guys running factory 10 inch rims to get speed rated street tires.
>> Tom
>> 5186
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
>> To: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Sent: Mon, Oct 6, 2014 2:08 pm
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] V-rated 295-50-15 tire from Avon
>> This may be old news, but Avon has a V-rated 295-50-15 tire for the
>> rear of our cars
>> [1][1]http://www.avonmotorsport.com/historic/historic/cr6zz
>> Cheers!
>> Garth
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. [2]http://www.avonmotorsport.com/historic/historic/cr6zz
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
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>> DeTomaso mailing list
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>> References
>>
>> 1. http://www.avonmotorsport.com/historic/historic/cr6zz
>> 2. http://www.avonmotorsport.com/historic/historic/cr6zz
>> 3. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>> 4. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 19:38:19 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: LS <lashdeep at yahoo.com>
>> To: Tom Shinrock <tmshinro at aol.com>, "detomaso at poca.com"
>> <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] V-rated 295-50-15 tire from Avon
>> Message-ID:
>> <1559654918.535729.1412624299776.JavaMail.yahoo at jws100153.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Indeed, great post...add the Avon as one of the SEVEN brand new 15" tire options.
>> LS
>> ?
>>
>>
>> central wines-spirits?? est 1934
>>
>> 625 e street nw
>> washington, dc 20004
>> centralwines.com
>>
>> facebook.com/CentralLiquors
>>
>> 202-737-2800
>>
>>
>> From: Tom Shinrock via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
>> To: detomaso at poca.com
>> Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 3:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] V-rated 295-50-15 tire from Avon
>>
>> ? Has anybody put these on their Panteras yet?? Would be interested in
>> ? how well it performs and what the wear life is?
>> ? I've heard they cost around $500 each but at least it's an option for
>> ? us guys running factory 10 inch rims to get speed rated street tires.
>> ? Tom
>> ? 5186
>>
>> ? -----Original Message-----
>> ? From: Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
>> ? To: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at poca.com>
>> ? Sent: Mon, Oct 6, 2014 2:08 pm
>> ? Subject: [DeTomaso] V-rated 295-50-15 tire from Avon
>> ? This may be old news, but Avon has a V-rated 295-50-15 tire for the
>> ? rear of our cars
>> ? [1][1]http://www.avonmotorsport.com/historic/historic/cr6zz
>> ? Cheers!
>> ? Garth
>>
>> References
>>
>> ? 1. [2]http://www.avonmotorsport.com/historic/historic/cr6zz
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
>>
>> DeTomaso mailing list
>> [3]DeTomaso at poca.com
>> [4]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>
>> References
>>
>> ? 1. http://www.avonmotorsport.com/historic/historic/cr6zz
>> ? 2. http://www.avonmotorsport.com/historic/historic/cr6zz
>> ? 3. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>> ? 4. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
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>>
>>
>> -------------- next part --------------
>> Indeed, great post...add the Avon as one of the SEVEN brand new 15"
>> tire options.
>> LS
>>
>> central
>> wines-spirits est 1934
>> 625 e street nw
>> washington, dc 20004
>> [1]centralwines.com
>> [2]facebook.com/CentralLiquors
>> 202-737-2800
>> __________________________________________________________________
>>
>> From: Tom Shinrock via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
>> To: detomaso at poca.com
>> Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 3:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] V-rated 295-50-15 tire from Avon
>> Has anybody put these on their Panteras yet? Would be interested in
>> how well it performs and what the wear life is?
>> I've heard they cost around $500 each but at least it's an option for
>> us guys running factory 10 inch rims to get speed rated street tires.
>> Tom
>> 5186
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso <[3]detomaso at poca.com>
>> To: DeTomaso Mail List <[4]detomaso at poca.com>
>> Sent: Mon, Oct 6, 2014 2:08 pm
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] V-rated 295-50-15 tire from Avon
>> This may be old news, but Avon has a V-rated 295-50-15 tire for the
>> rear of our cars
>> [1][1][5]http://www.avonmotorsport.com/historic/historic/cr6zz
>> Cheers!
>> Garth
>> References
>> 1. [2][6]http://www.avonmotorsport.com/historic/historic/cr6zz
>> _______________________________________________
>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
>> DeTomaso mailing list
>> [3][7]DeTomaso at poca.com
>> [4][8]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>> References
>> 1. [9]http://www.avonmotorsport.com/historic/historic/cr6zz
>> 2. [10]http://www.avonmotorsport.com/historic/historic/cr6zz
>> 3. mailto:[11]DeTomaso at poca.com
>> 4. [12]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
>> DeTomaso mailing list
>> [13]DeTomaso at poca.com
>> [14]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. http://centralwines.com/
>> 2. http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors
>> 3. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>> 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>> 5. http://www.avonmotorsport.com/historic/historic/cr6zz
>> 6. http://www.avonmotorsport.com/historic/historic/cr6zz
>> 7. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>> 8. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>> 9. http://www.avonmotorsport.com/historic/historic/cr6zz
>> 10. http://www.avonmotorsport.com/historic/historic/cr6zz
>> 11. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>> 12. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>> 13. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>> 14. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 16:02:56 -0400
>> From: jderyke at aol.com
>> To: tmshinro at aol.com, detomaso at poca.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] V-rated 295-50-15 tire from Avon
>> Message-ID: <8D1AFB7A7DEA575-23F8-26CCA at webmail-vm036.sysops.aol.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Tom Shinrock via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
>> To: detomaso at poca.com
>> Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 3:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] V-rated 295-50-15 tire from Avon
>> Has anybody put these on their Panteras yet? Would be interested in
>> how well it performs and what the wear life is?
>> I've heard they cost around $500 each but at least it's an option for
>> us guys running factory 10 inch rims to get speed rated street tires.
>> Tom
>> 5186
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes- and they look good. See the October POCA Newsletter front cover for an AZ Pantera wearing them. I neglected to mention they are V-rated and that Roger Kraus in Castro Valley CA carries them. Not cheap, but what is, these days? The U.S wear index number is not mentioned in their specs and Roger is too busy to return my e-mails, but because it uses "competition" rubber compounds, I'd expect it to be similar to Hoosier DOTs at around 125 (or less). SCCA and some other series changed their rules for 2014 and no longer allow 'R' compound tires with wear ratings less than 125 (200 in 2015) to run in Stock classes. Such tires may become less popular simply because they won't be selling as many. That does not mean the price will come down, though....
>>
>> -------------- next part --------------
>> From: Tom Shinrock via DeTomaso <[1]detomaso at poca.com>
>> To: [2]detomaso at poca.com
>> Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 3:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] V-rated 295-50-15 tire from Avon
>> Has anybody put these on their Panteras yet? Would be interested in
>> how well it performs and what the wear life is?
>> I've heard they cost around $500 each but at least it's an option for
>> us guys running factory 10 inch rims to get speed rated street tires.
>> Tom
>> 5186
>>
>> Yes- and they look good. See the October POCA Newsletter front cover
>> for an AZ Pantera wearing them. I neglected to mention they are V-rated
>> and that Roger Kraus in Castro Valley CA carries them. Not cheap, but
>> what is, these days? The U.S wear index number is not mentioned in
>> their specs and Roger is too busy to return my e-mails, but because it
>> uses "competition" rubber compounds, I'd expect it to be similar to
>> Hoosier DOTs at around 125 (or less). SCCA and some other series
>> changed their rules for 2014 and no longer allow 'R' compound tires
>> with wear ratings less than 125 (200 in 2015) to run in Stock classes.
>> Such tires may become less popular simply because they won't be selling
>> as many. That does not mean the price will come down, though....
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>> 2. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 16:59:46 -0400
>> From: Tom Shinrock <tmshinro at aol.com>
>> To: detomaso at poca.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] V-rated 295-50-15 tire from Avon
>> Message-ID: <8D1AFBF9880269C-1A3C-24CC9 at webmail-va220.sysops.aol.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>>
>> I'm not presently looking to get replacement tires (but probably will be next year) so I haven't done much research on 15 x 10 tire availability. I used to keep up on tire availability but found that tires came and went when I wasn't in the market so I figured I'd wait until I needed tires before I put the effort in.
>>
>> Besides AVON what are the other six 15" tire options for 10" rims?
>>
>> Tom
>> 5186
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: LS <lashdeep at yahoo.com>
>> To: Tom Shinrock <tmshinro at aol.com>; detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Sent: Mon, Oct 6, 2014 2:41 pm
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] V-rated 295-50-15 tire from Avon
>>
>>
>>
>> Indeed, great post...add the Avon as one of the SEVEN brand new 15" tire options.
>>
>>
>> LS
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> central
>> wines-spirits est 1934
>>
>>
>>
>> 625 e street nw
>>
>> washington, dc 20004
>>
>>
>> centralwines.com
>>
>>
>>
>> facebook.com/CentralLiquors
>>
>>
>>
>> 202-737-2800
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Tom Shinrock via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
>> To: detomaso at poca.com
>> Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 3:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] V-rated 295-50-15 tire from Avon
>>
>>
>>
>> Has anybody put these on their Panteras yet? Would be interested in
>> how well it performs and what the wear life is?
>> I've heard they cost around $500 each but at least it's an option for
>> us guys running factory 10 inch rims to get speed rated street tires.
>> Tom
>> 5186
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
>> To: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Sent: Mon, Oct 6, 2014 2:08 pm
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] V-rated 295-50-15 tire from Avon
>> This may be old news, but Avon has a V-rated 295-50-15 tire for the
>> rear of our cars
>> [1][1]http://www.avonmotorsport.com/historic/historic/cr6zz
>> Cheers!
>> Garth
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. [2]http://www.avonmotorsport.com/historic/historic/cr6zz
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
>>
>> DeTomaso mailing list
>> [3]DeTomaso at poca.com
>> [4]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. http://www.avonmotorsport.com/historic/historic/cr6zz
>> 2. http://www.avonmotorsport.com/historic/historic/cr6zz
>> 3. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>> 4. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
>>
>> DeTomaso mailing list
>> DeTomaso at poca.com
>> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -------------- next part --------------
>> I'm not presently looking to get replacement tires (but probably will
>> be next year) so I haven't done much research on 15 x 10 tire
>> availability. I used to keep up on tire availability but found that
>> tires came and went when I wasn't in the market so I figured I'd wait
>> until I needed tires before I put the effort in.
>> Besides AVON what are the other six 15" tire options for 10" rims?
>> Tom
>> 5186
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: LS <lashdeep at yahoo.com>
>> To: Tom Shinrock <tmshinro at aol.com>; detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Sent: Mon, Oct 6, 2014 2:41 pm
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] V-rated 295-50-15 tire from Avon
>> Indeed, great post...add the Avon as one of the SEVEN brand new 15"
>> tire options.
>> LS
>>
>> central
>> wines-spirits est 1934
>> 625 e street nw
>> washington, dc 20004
>> [1]centralwines.com
>> [2]facebook.com/CentralLiquors
>> 202-737-2800
>> __________________________________________________________________
>>
>> From: Tom Shinrock via DeTomaso <[3]detomaso at poca.com>
>> To: [4]detomaso at poca.com
>> Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 3:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] V-rated 295-50-15 tire from Avon
>> Has anybody put these on their Panteras yet? Would be interested in
>> how well it performs and what the wear life is?
>> I've heard they cost around $500 each but at least it's an option for
>> us guys running factory 10 inch rims to get speed rated street tires.
>> Tom
>> 5186
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso <[5]detomaso at poca.com>
>> To: DeTomaso Mail List <[6]detomaso at poca.com>
>> Sent: Mon, Oct 6, 2014 2:08 pm
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] V-rated 295-50-15 tire from Avon
>> This may be old news, but Avon has a V-rated 295-50-15 tire for the
>> rear of our cars
>> [1][1][7]http://www.avonmotorsport.com/historic/historic/cr6zz
>> Cheers!
>> Garth
>> References
>> 1. [2][8]http://www.avonmotorsport.com/historic/historic/cr6zz
>> _______________________________________________
>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
>> DeTomaso mailing list
>> [3][9]DeTomaso at poca.com
>> [4][10]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>> References
>> 1. [11]http://www.avonmotorsport.com/historic/historic/cr6zz
>> 2. [12]http://www.avonmotorsport.com/historic/historic/cr6zz
>> 3. mailto:[13]DeTomaso at poca.com
>> 4. [14]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
>> DeTomaso mailing list
>> [15]DeTomaso at poca.com
>> [16]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. http://centralwines.com/
>> 2. http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors
>> 3. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>> 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>> 5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>> 6. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>> 7. http://www.avonmotorsport.com/historic/historic/cr6zz
>> 8. http://www.avonmotorsport.com/historic/historic/cr6zz
>> 9. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>> 10. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>> 11. http://www.avonmotorsport.com/historic/historic/cr6zz
>> 12. http://www.avonmotorsport.com/historic/historic/cr6zz
>> 13. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>> 14. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>> 15. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>> 16. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2014 17:31:11 -0500
>> From: John Taphorn <jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com>
>> To: Brent Stewart <bjbstewart at yahoo.com>, De Tomaso List
>> <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Mod Ideas?
>> Message-ID: <5433182F.7080201 at kingwoodcable.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"
>>
>> That's hilarious. Hey, they seem to being having fun with it. No one
>> seems to be taking themselves serious. Although, seems an extravagant
>> waste of one's savings.
>>
>> JT
>>
>>> On 10/6/2014 12:44 PM, Brent Stewart via DeTomaso wrote:
>>> I know you all need some fresh ideas for your cars...this is it!
>>> [1]Japanese Ricer VIP Convention!
>>>
>>>
>>> [2]image
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [3]Japanese Ricer VIP Convention!
>>> [4]View on www.youtube.com
>>> Preview by Yahoo
>>>
>>> References
>>>
>>> 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQptfdSCdhs
>>> 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQptfdSCdhs
>>> 3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQptfdSCdhs
>>> 4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQptfdSCdhs
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
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>>>
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>>> DeTomaso at poca.com
>>> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>
>> -------------- next part --------------
>> That's hilarious. Hey, they seem to being having fun with it. No one
>> seems to be taking themselves serious. Although, seems an extravagant
>> waste of one's savings.
>> JT
>>
>> On 10/6/2014 12:44 PM, Brent Stewart via DeTomaso wrote:
>>
>> I know you all need some fresh ideas for your cars...this is it!
>> [1]Japanese Ricer VIP Convention!
>>
>>
>> [2]image
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> [3]Japanese Ricer VIP Convention!
>> [4]View on [1]www.youtube.com
>> Preview by Yahoo
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. [2]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQptfdSCdhs
>> 2. [3]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQptfdSCdhs
>> 3. [4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQptfdSCdhs
>> 4. [5]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQptfdSCdhs
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
>>
>> DeTomaso mailing list
>> [6]DeTomaso at poca.com
>> [7]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. http://www.youtube.com/
>> 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQptfdSCdhs
>> 3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQptfdSCdhs
>> 4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQptfdSCdhs
>> 5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQptfdSCdhs
>> 6. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>> 7. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 18:37:05 -0400
>> From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michael at michaelshortt.com>
>> To: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] 295-50-15 Avon Tyres
>> Message-ID:
>> <CAEWtxWpQYxoB05bmtNL-pbr4nXC4pJnNQzHrbd0ccC3tD54opQ at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Are there enough folks interested for a Group buy on these tires, if so, a
>> complete set of 4?, and if so, what would you want to use on the front (
>> assuming that 90% of you have 7"/8" campy wheels and some of you have
>> 8"/10" campy wheels.
>>
>> The 295/50/15 will mount on an 8" wheel, so let's not beat that dead horse
>> around please, it does look better on the 10", but does indeed mount on an
>> 8".
>>
>>
>> Michael Shortt
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael L. Shortt
>> Savannah, Georgia
>> www.michaelshortt.com
>> michael at michaelshortt.com
>> 912-232-9390
>>
>>
>> This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy
>> Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally
>> privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified
>> that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this
>> communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you
>> have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you
>> -------------- next part --------------
>> Are there enough folks interested for a Group buy on these tires, if
>> so, a complete set of 4?, and if so, what would you want to use on the
>> front ( assuming that 90% of you have 7"/8" campy wheels and some of
>> you have 8"/10" campy wheels.
>> The 295/50/15 will mount on an 8" wheel, so let's not beat that dead
>> horse around please, it does look better on the 10", but does indeed
>> mount on an 8".
>> Michael Shortt
>> --
>> Michael L. Shortt
>> Savannah, Georgia
>> [1]www.michaelshortt.com
>> [2]michael at michaelshortt.com
>> 912-232-9390
>> A
>> This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy
>> Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally
>> privileged.A If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby
>> notified
>> that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this
>> communication is strictly prohibited.A Please reply to the sender that
>> you
>> have received this message in error, then delete it.A Thank you
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>> 2. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 10
>> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 19:37:13 -0400
>> From: Panteratime <panteratime at aol.com>
>> To: willibillie at live.de, detomaso at poca.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Cluch master hard line fitting thread size
>> Message-ID: <8D1AFD597580492-C60-D345 at webmail-vm077.sysops.aol.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>>
>> Excellent and great service/product RJ!!! Highly recommended!
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: R.J. <willibillie at live.de>
>> To: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Sent: Sun, Oct 5, 2014 1:54 pm
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Cluch master hard line fitting thread size
>>
>>
>> My replacement master uses the same thread pitch as original. Nothing
>> new is reqiered. Just a bolt on replacement.
>> Roland Jaeckel
>>
>> Am 05.10.2014 19:46, schrieb Panteratime via DeTomaso:
>>
>> Folks,
>>
>> Any one know the thread pitch on the original clutch master hard line
>> fitting going into bottom of clutch master?
>>
>> Any one know if the Roland Jackel sourced replacement units are same
>> thread pitch or is a new flare and flare fitting required?
>>
>> If different---What type/size flare and fitting?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
>>
>> DeTomaso mailing list
>> [1]DeTomaso at poca.com
>> [2]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>> 2. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
>>
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>> DeTomaso at poca.com
>> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>
>>
>> -------------- next part --------------
>> Excellent and great service/product RJ!!! Highly recommended!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: R.J. <willibillie at live.de>
>> To: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Sent: Sun, Oct 5, 2014 1:54 pm
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Cluch master hard line fitting thread size
>> My replacement master uses the same thread pitch as original. Nothing
>> new is reqiered. Just a bolt on replacement.
>> Roland Jaeckel
>>
>> Am 05.10.2014 19:46, schrieb Panteratime via DeTomaso:
>>
>> Folks,
>>
>> Any one know the thread pitch on the original clutch master hard line
>> fitting going into bottom of clutch master?
>>
>> Any one know if the Roland Jackel sourced replacement units are same
>> thread pitch or is a new flare and flare fitting required?
>>
>> If different---What type/size flare and fitting?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
>>
>> DeTomaso mailing list
>> [1]DeTomaso at poca.com
>> [2]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>> 2. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
>>
>> DeTomaso mailing list
>> DeTomaso at poca.com
>> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 11
>> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 14:54:12 -0700
>> From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>> To: Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com>
>> Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Facebook "LIKE" Page, Group and Twitter
>> accounts
>> Message-ID: <F595F716-996A-468E-A4B0-85A860FC65FB at aol.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Ed,
>>
>> Fantastic! Thanks for setting this up for the club!
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Oct 5, 2014, at 21:28, Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> Ed Mendez here from San Diego Panteras.
>>>
>>> I have the following pages up and on Facebook and Twitter and wanted everyone to know.
>>>
>>> First let me explain for those who are not familiar with Facebook or Twitter.
>>>
>>> The first page is a ?LIKE? page, this is essentially a Fan Page where people on the Facebook community can hit the Like button and they start getting notifications every time something is posted on the page. This page as of now has 533 Likes, so every time a picture or video or announcement is posted on this Fan page, they get a notification on their own Facebook page, and in turn all of their friends can see this. This means literally thousands of people are exposed to our club and the Pantera or Mangusta. Please tell your friends, the more Likes, the more exposure.
>>>
>>> This site is here: https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica You need a Facebook account to see it.
>>>
>>> The next site I have created is a Facebook Group Page, essentially the same as above but you have to request to be a member. Things posted here only notify other members, similar to the POCA Forum. I currently have 231 members here, that I have either invited or have asked to join.
>>>
>>> This site can be found here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/ You need a Facebook account to see it.
>>>
>>> The next is a Twitter account. This account is a place that can make announcements, such as the Fun Rally, or anything Pantera related that is chosen to be said at any given moment such as ?we had a great turnout of Panteras today at the car show in Dearborn, MI and one Mangusta graced our presence". Each Tweet is limited to 140 characters, basically just short blurbs to the rest of the world about what is going on in the POCA world at any given moment.
>>>
>>> This can be found here: @POCAUSA but you need a Twitter account to see it.
>>>
>>> I know that some of you are against Facebook or Twitter or both. All I can say is we can either embrace it, or let it pass us by and leave us in the dust and our car club, either way social media is here to stay. Like it or not.
>>>
>>> So please go to these sites above, sign up for a Facebook account, a Twitter account, use a yahoo account if you want to be anonymous, so what ?the NSA can see everything you post? you say?
>>>
>>> So what they see every email we post here in the POCA Forum, so who cares if they want to track us and waste their time with a bunch of car enthusiasts. Makes no difference to me.
>>>
>>> I say embrace it, and use it as a major tool to promote the DeTomaso Pantera and Mangusta and the Pantera Owners Club of America, let the world know who we are. The next time they see a Pantera on the road, they won?t be saying ?Is that a Dolorean?? They will be saying, that?s a Detomaso Pantera!!!
>>>
>>> This is all about the car, that?s why we are here.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your time.
>>>
>>> Ed
>>>
>>> Ps. I also have a Facebook page for the San Diego Panteras here: https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras
>> -------------- next part --------------
>> Ed,
>>
>> Fantastic! Thanks for setting this up for the club!
>>
>> Mike
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 5, 2014, at 21:28, Ed Mendez <[1]edducati at mac.com> wrote:
>>
>> All,
>>
>> Ed Mendez here from San Diego Panteras.
>>
>> I have the following pages up and on Facebook and Twitter and wanted
>> everyone to know.
>>
>> First let me explain for those who are not familiar with Facebook or
>> Twitter.
>>
>> The first page is a "LIKE" page, this is essentially a Fan Page where
>> people on the Facebook community can hit the Like button and they start
>> getting notifications every time something is posted on the page. This
>> page as of now has 533 Likes, so every time a picture or video or
>> announcement is posted on this Fan page, they get a notification on
>> their own Facebook page, and in turn all of their friends can see this.
>> This means literally thousands of people are exposed to our club and
>> the Pantera or Mangusta. Please tell your friends, the more Likes, the
>> more exposure.
>>
>> This site is here:
>> [2]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica You need a
>> Facebook account to see it.
>>
>> The next site I have created is a Facebook Group Page, essentially the
>> same as above but you have to request to be a member. Things posted
>> here only notify other members, similar to the POCA Forum. I currently
>> have 231 members here, that I have either invited or have asked to
>> join.
>>
>> This site can be found here:
>> [3]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/ You need
>> a Facebook account to see it.
>>
>> The next is a Twitter account. This account is a place that can make
>> announcements, such as the Fun Rally, or anything Pantera related that
>> is chosen to be said at any given moment such as "we had a great
>> turnout of Panteras today at the car show in Dearborn, MI and one
>> Mangusta graced our presence". Each Tweet is limited to 140 characters,
>> basically just short blurbs to the rest of the world about what is
>> going on in the POCA world at any given moment.
>>
>> This can be found here: [4]@POCAUSA but you need a Twitter account to
>> see it.
>>
>> I know that some of you are against Facebook or Twitter or both. All I
>> can say is we can either embrace it, or let it pass us by and leave us
>> in the dust and our car club, either way social media is here to stay.
>> Like it or not.
>>
>> So please go to these sites above, sign up for a Facebook account, a
>> Twitter account, use a yahoo account if you want to be anonymous, so
>> what "the NSA can see everything you post" you say?
>>
>> So what they see every email we post here in the POCA Forum, so who
>> cares if they want to track us and waste their time with a bunch of car
>> enthusiasts. Makes no difference to me.
>>
>> I say embrace it, and use it as a major tool to promote the DeTomaso
>> Pantera and Mangusta and the Pantera Owners Club of America, let the
>> world know who we are. The next time they see a Pantera on the road,
>> they won't be saying "Is that a Dolorean?" They will be saying, that's
>> a Detomaso Pantera!!!
>>
>> This is all about the car, that's why we are here.
>>
>> Thanks for your time.
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> Ps. I also have a Facebook page for the San Diego Panteras
>> here: [5]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. mailto:edducati at mac.com
>> 2. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica
>> 3. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>> 4. https://twitter.com/POCAUSA
>> 5. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 12
>> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 18:31:00 -0700
>> From: Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>
>> To: Pantera list serve <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Cc: Gary Graupner <gggraup at comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] PNW October Meeting
>> Message-ID: <SNT146-W8EEA034340FC56858BAA2BCA20 at phx.gbl>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>> Just the messenger. Please reply to Gary with questions.
>>
>>
>> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 18:28:28 +0000
>> From: gggraup at comcast.net
>> To: chrisvkimball at msn.com
>>
>>
>> My friend Gary Staples in Yakima has a red Pantera. He told me this weekend that he removed the Delta Wing from his car, so will be interested in selling it to any of the folks who may be interested. I think he will make someone a good deal on it too, so get in touch with him if you want to talk. Let me know if you need more info. Gary Graupner 509 926 5734
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -------------- next part --------------
>> Hi everyone,
>> Just the messenger. Please reply to Gary with questions.
>> __________________________________________________________________
>>
>> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 18:28:28 +0000
>> From: gggraup at comcast.net
>> To: chrisvkimball at msn.com
>> My friend Gary Staples in Yakima has a red Pantera. He told me this
>> weekend that he removed the Delta Wing from his car, so will be
>> interested in selling it to any of the folks who may be interested. I
>> think he will make someone a good deal on it too, so get in touch with
>> him if you want to talk. Let me know if you need more info. Gary
>> Graupner 509 926 5734
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 13
>> Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2014 18:32:35 -0700
>> From: audionut at hushmail.com
>> To: detomaso at poca.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 295-50-15 Avon Tyres
>> Message-ID: <20141007013235.C25D220B5F at smtp.hushmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> I'd be down for a group buy, if that makes them cheaper somehow.
>> But it looks like I might have clearance issues with these Avons on my
>> 8" fronts as they are all 25" tall or bigger.
>> The only measure I have to go by is the stock Arriva front tire
>> diameter which is 23.5" so, exceeding that by 1.5" seems dicey.
>> I actually have never put fresh rubber on my 73L so I'm in the dark
>> here.
>> Does anybody know what we can get away with clearance-wise with 8"
>> fronts?
>> Sent using Hushmail
>> On 6 October, 2014 at 3:35 PM, michael at michaelshortt.com wrote:Are
>> there enough folks interested for a Group buy on these tires, if so, a
>> complete set of 4?, and if so, what would you want to use on the front
>> (
>> assuming that 90% of you have 7"/8" campy wheels and some of you have
>> 8"/10" campy wheels.
>>
>> The 295/50/15 will mount on an 8" wheel, so let's not beat that dead
>> horse
>> around please, it does look better on the 10", but does indeed mount
>> on an
>> 8".
>> Michael Shortt
>>
>> --
>> Michael L. Shortt
>> Savannah, Georgia
>> www.michaelshortt.com
>> michael at michaelshortt.com
>> 912-232-9390
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>> I'd be down for a group buy, if that makes them cheaper somehow.
>>
>> But it looks like I might have clearance issues with these Avons on my
>> 8" fronts as they are all 25" tall or bigger.
>>
>> The only measure I have to go by is the stock Arriva front tire
>> diameter which is 23.5" so, exceeding that by 1.5" seems dicey.
>>
>> I actually have never put fresh rubber on my 73L so I'm in the dark
>> here.
>>
>> Does anybody know what we can get away with clearance-wise with 8"
>> fronts?
>> Sent using Hushmail
>> On 6 October, 2014 at 3:35 PM, michael at michaelshortt.com wrote:
>>
>> Are there enough folks interested for a Group buy on these tires, if
>> so, a
>> complete set of 4?, and if so, what would you want to use on the
>> front (
>> assuming that 90% of you have 7"/8" campy wheels and some of you
>> have
>> 8"/10" campy wheels.
>> The 295/50/15 will mount on an 8" wheel, so let's not beat that dead
>> horse
>> around please, it does look better on the 10", but does indeed mount
>> on an
>> 8".
>> Michael Shortt
>> --
>> Michael L. Shortt
>> Savannah, Georgia
>> [1]www.michaelshortt.com
>> michael at michaelshortt.com
>> 912-232-9390
>> This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy
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>> Message: 14
>> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 22:23:22 -0500
>> From: "MDBell" <davidabell at att.net>
>> To: <SCPOCA at yahoogroups.com>, "'De Tomaso List'" <DeTomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] [SCPOCA] Gas Monkey Car Located [9
>> Attachments]
>> Message-ID: <047201cfe1de$0cad0a50$26071ef0$@att.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> I happened to see the Fast and Loud episode this afternoon that had this
>> Pantera in it. Gas Monkey bought it on a flier for $17k. One of the shop
>> guys checked it out and found serious rust in the engine bay, rust in the
>> intake manifold and the clutch didn't work. They decided it looked like too
>> much work and that they would just try and flip it as is. They pushed it
>> out front with a shoe polish 4-sale sign on the windshield. I didn't see
>> if/what it sold for.
>>
>>
>>
>> Dave Bell
>>
>>
>>
>> From: SCPOCA at yahoogroups.com [mailto:SCPOCA at yahoogroups.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 7:06 PM
>> To: De Tomaso List; SCPOCA
>> Subject: [SCPOCA] Gas Monkey Car Located [9 Attachments]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> [Attachment(s) from John Taphorn included below]
>>
>> I was driving in Humble, TX today and passed an auto repair shop with
>> many classic cars parked out front. To my surprise I saw an orange
>> Pantera among them. As I passed by I wrestled with whether to stop.
>> About a mile later, I told myself to do so.
>>
>> The new owner has it at the shop for metal repair. While the exterior
>> looks good, the frame rails and front valence were toast. Left me
>> suspect that body work was previous done to the exterior. For the sake
>> of the current owner, I hope well.
>>
>> I spoke briefly with the shop owner and he pointed out it was the Gas
>> Monkey car. I confirmed it is true matching vins on Chuck's site. Here
>> are a few shots of the car. I suspect it was originally a GTS based on
>> the stars in the vin.
>>
>> Shrunk the pics to the max. Yet, files may still be to large for POCA list.
>>
>> JT
>>
>> __._,_.___
>>
>> Attachment(s) from John Taphorn |
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>>
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>>
>> <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SCPOCA/attachments/207918177;_ylc=X3oDM
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>>
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>> _____
>>
>> Posted by: John Taphorn <jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com>
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>> -------------- next part --------------
>> I happened to see the Fast and Loud episode this afternoon that had
>> this Pantera in it. Gas Monkey bought it on a flier for $17k. One of
>> the shop guys checked it out and found serious rust in the engine bay,
>> rust in the intake manifold and the clutch didn't work. They decided
>> it looked like too much work and that they would just try and flip it
>> as is. They pushed it out front with a shoe polish 4-sale sign on the
>> windshield. I didn't see if/what it sold for.
>>
>>
>> Dave Bell
>>
>>
>> From: SCPOCA at yahoogroups.com [mailto:SCPOCA at yahoogroups.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 7:06 PM
>> To: De Tomaso List; SCPOCA
>> Subject: [SCPOCA] Gas Monkey Car Located [9 Attachments]
>>
>>
>>
>> [[1]Attachment(s) from John Taphorn included below]
>>
>> I was driving in Humble, TX today and passed an auto repair shop with
>> many classic cars parked out front. To my surprise I saw an orange
>> Pantera among them. As I passed by I wrestled with whether to stop.
>> About a mile later, I told myself to do so.
>> The new owner has it at the shop for metal repair. While the exterior
>> looks good, the frame rails and front valence were toast. Left me
>> suspect that body work was previous done to the exterior. For the sake
>> of the current owner, I hope well.
>> I spoke briefly with the shop owner and he pointed out it was the Gas
>> Monkey car. I confirmed it is true matching vins on Chuck's site. Here
>> are a few shots of the car. I suspect it was originally a GTS based on
>> the stars in the vin.
>> Shrunk the pics to the max. Yet, files may still be to large for POCA
>> list.
>> JT
>>
>> __._,_.___
>>
>> Attachment(s) from John Taphorn | [2]View attachments on the web
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>> 9 of 9 Photo(s)
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>> [3]Gas Monkey1.jpg
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>> 3. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SCPOCA/attachments/207918177;_ylc=X3oDMTJtMjBwcjhkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIyMjMyNjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY0ODI1BHNlYwNhdHRhY2htZW50BHNsawNwaG90bwRzdGltZQMxNDExNjAzNTY3?itemid=1200746841
>> 4. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SCPOCA/attachments/207918177;_ylc=X3oDMTJtMjBwcjhkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIyMjMyNjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY0ODI1BHNlYwNhdHRhY2htZW50BHNsawNwaG90bwRzdGltZQMxNDExNjAzNTY3?itemid=1200746841
>> 5. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SCPOCA/attachments/207918177;_ylc=X3oDMTJtMjBwcjhkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIyMjMyNjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY0ODI1BHNlYwNhdHRhY2htZW50BHNsawNwaG90bwRzdGltZQMxNDExNjAzNTY3?itemid=2092750345
>> 6. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SCPOCA/attachments/207918177;_ylc=X3oDMTJtMjBwcjhkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIyMjMyNjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY0ODI1BHNlYwNhdHRhY2htZW50BHNsawNwaG90bwRzdGltZQMxNDExNjAzNTY3?itemid=2092750345
>> 7. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SCPOCA/attachments/207918177;_ylc=X3oDMTJtMjBwcjhkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIyMjMyNjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY0ODI1BHNlYwNhdHRhY2htZW50BHNsawNwaG90bwRzdGltZQMxNDExNjAzNTY3?itemid=550314829
>> 8. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SCPOCA/attachments/207918177;_ylc=X3oDMTJtMjBwcjhkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIyMjMyNjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY0ODI1BHNlYwNhdHRhY2htZW50BHNsawNwaG90bwRzdGltZQMxNDExNjAzNTY3?itemid=550314829
>> 9. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SCPOCA/attachments/207918177;_ylc=X3oDMTJtMjBwcjhkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIyMjMyNjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY0ODI1BHNlYwNhdHRhY2htZW50BHNsawNwaG90bwRzdGltZQMxNDExNjAzNTY3?itemid=1409503762
>> 10. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SCPOCA/attachments/207918177;_ylc=X3oDMTJtMjBwcjhkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIyMjMyNjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY0ODI1BHNlYwNhdHRhY2htZW50BHNsawNwaG90bwRzdGltZQMxNDExNjAzNTY3?itemid=1409503762
>> 11. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SCPOCA/attachments/207918177;_ylc=X3oDMTJtMjBwcjhkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIyMjMyNjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY0ODI1BHNlYwNhdHRhY2htZW50BHNsawNwaG90bwRzdGltZQMxNDExNjAzNTY3?itemid=2112147128
>> 12. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SCPOCA/attachments/207918177;_ylc=X3oDMTJtMjBwcjhkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIyMjMyNjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY0ODI1BHNlYwNhdHRhY2htZW50BHNsawNwaG90bwRzdGltZQMxNDExNjAzNTY3?itemid=2112147128
>> 13. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SCPOCA/attachments/207918177;_ylc=X3oDMTJtMjBwcjhkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIyMjMyNjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY0ODI1BHNlYwNhdHRhY2htZW50BHNsawNwaG90bwRzdGltZQMxNDExNjAzNTY3?itemid=1041784009
>> 14. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SCPOCA/attachments/207918177;_ylc=X3oDMTJtMjBwcjhkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIyMjMyNjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY0ODI1BHNlYwNhdHRhY2htZW50BHNsawNwaG90bwRzdGltZQMxNDExNjAzNTY3?itemid=1041784009
>> 15. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SCPOCA/attachments/207918177;_ylc=X3oDMTJtMjBwcjhkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIyMjMyNjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY0ODI1BHNlYwNhdHRhY2htZW50BHNsawNwaG90bwRzdGltZQMxNDExNjAzNTY3?itemid=1030764456
>> 16. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SCPOCA/attachments/207918177;_ylc=X3oDMTJtMjBwcjhkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIyMjMyNjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY0ODI1BHNlYwNhdHRhY2htZW50BHNsawNwaG90bwRzdGltZQMxNDExNjAzNTY3?itemid=1030764456
>> 17. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SCPOCA/attachments/207918177;_ylc=X3oDMTJtMjBwcjhkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIyMjMyNjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY0ODI1BHNlYwNhdHRhY2htZW50BHNsawNwaG90bwRzdGltZQMxNDExNjAzNTY3?itemid=750341377
>> 18. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SCPOCA/attachments/207918177;_ylc=X3oDMTJtMjBwcjhkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIyMjMyNjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY0ODI1BHNlYwNhdHRhY2htZW50BHNsawNwaG90bwRzdGltZQMxNDExNjAzNTY3?itemid=750341377
>> 19. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SCPOCA/attachments/207918177;_ylc=X3oDMTJtMjBwcjhkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIyMjMyNjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY0ODI1BHNlYwNhdHRhY2htZW50BHNsawNwaG90bwRzdGltZQMxNDExNjAzNTY3?itemid=1416350425
>> 20. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SCPOCA/attachments/207918177;_ylc=X3oDMTJtMjBwcjhkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIyMjMyNjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY0ODI1BHNlYwNhdHRhY2htZW50BHNsawNwaG90bwRzdGltZQMxNDExNjAzNTY3?itemid=1416350425
>> 21. mailto:jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com
>> 22. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SCPOCA/conversations/messages/17011;_ylc=X3oDMTJxdnJuaDVqBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIyMjMyNjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY0ODI1BG1zZ0lkAzE3MDExBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUDMTQxMTYwMzU2Nw--?act=reply&messageNum=17011
>> 23. mailto:jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com?subject=Re%3A%20Gas%20Monkey%20Car%20Located
>> 24. mailto:SCPOCA at yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20Gas%20Monkey%20Car%20Located
>> 25. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SCPOCA/conversations/newtopic;_ylc=X3oDMTJlaW5idmhrBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIyMjMyNjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY0ODI1BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250cGMEc3RpbWUDMTQxMTYwMzU2Nw--
>> 26. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SCPOCA/conversations/topics/17011;_ylc=X3oDMTM2bmVuaXI0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIyMjMyNjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY0ODI1BG1zZ0lkAzE3MDExBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTQxMTYwMzU2NwR0cGNJZAMxNzAxMQ--
>> 27. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SCPOCA/photos/photomatic/911710453;_ylc=X3oDMTE4M3R1OW82BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGNmOQNQSE9UT01BVElDBHNlYwNtZWdhcGhvbmU-
>> 28. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SCPOCA/photos/photomatic/911710453;_ylc=X3oDMTE4M3R1OW82BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGNmOQNQSE9UT01BVElDBHNlYwNtZWdhcGhvbmU-
>> 29. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SCPOCA/info;_ylc=X3oDMTJlbnB1OG4yBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIyMjMyNjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY0ODI1BHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZnaHAEc3RpbWUDMTQxMTYwMzU2Nw--
>> 30. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo;_ylc=X3oDMTJkcXU5dTNuBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIyMjMyNjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY0ODI1BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzdGltZQMxNDExNjAzNTY3
>> 31. https://info.yahoo.com/privacy/us/yahoo/groups/details.html
>> 32. mailto:SCPOCA-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe
>> 33. https://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/
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>>
>> Message: 15
>> Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2014 22:42:28 -0700
>> From: Ron Hyde <parapantera at aol.com>
>> To: John Taphorn <jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com>, Brent Stewart
>> <bjbstewart at yahoo.com>, De Tomaso List <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Mod Ideas?
>> Message-ID: <wf1hfnc9nui2dbjx9kpafcuw.1412660548035 at email.android.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> It's ?the U.S. Equivalent of the early 70's. Remember ?rakes (aka jacked up), ladder bars, traction bars, snorkel scoops, metal flake paint, dual quads on a tunnel ram, thrush glasspacks, edelbrock "Tarantula " intakes.....and we all ran one of three wheels, Crager S/S, Slots, or Turbines. ? Vans were a whole different ?story.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
>>
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: John Taphorn <jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com>
>> Date:10/06/2014 3:31 PM (GMT-08:00)
>> To: Brent Stewart <bjbstewart at yahoo.com>, De Tomaso List <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Mod Ideas?
>>
>> That's hilarious. Hey, they seem to being having fun with it. No one
>> seems to be taking themselves serious. Although, seems an extravagant
>> waste of one's savings.
>>
>> JT
>>
>>> On 10/6/2014 12:44 PM, Brent Stewart via DeTomaso wrote:
>>> I know you all need some fresh ideas for your cars...this is it!
>>> [1]Japanese Ricer VIP Convention!
>>>
>>>
>>> [2]image
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [3]Japanese Ricer VIP Convention!
>>> [4]View on www.youtube.com
>>> Preview by Yahoo
>>>
>>> References
>>>
>>> 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQptfdSCdhs
>>> 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQptfdSCdhs
>>> 3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQptfdSCdhs
>>> 4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQptfdSCdhs
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>> -------------- next part --------------
>> It's the U.S. Equivalent of the early 70's. Remember rakes (aka
>> jacked up), ladder bars, traction bars, snorkel scoops, metal flake
>> paint, dual quads on a tunnel ram, thrush glasspacks, edelbrock
>> "Tarantula " intakes.....and we all ran one of three wheels, Crager
>> S/S, Slots, or Turbines. Vans were a whole different story.
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: John Taphorn <jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com>
>> Date:10/06/2014 3:31 PM (GMT-08:00)
>> To: Brent Stewart <bjbstewart at yahoo.com>, De Tomaso List
>> <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Mod Ideas?
>> That's hilarious. Hey, they seem to being having fun with it. No one
>> seems to be taking themselves serious. Although, seems an extravagant
>> waste of one's savings.
>> JT
>>> On 10/6/2014 12:44 PM, Brent Stewart via DeTomaso wrote:
>>> I know you all need some fresh ideas for your cars...this is it!
>>> [1]Japanese Ricer VIP Convention!
>>>
>>>
>>> [2]image
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [3]Japanese Ricer VIP Convention!
>>> [4]View on www.youtube.com
>>> Preview by Yahoo
>>>
>>> References
>>>
>>> 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQptfdSCdhs
>>> 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQptfdSCdhs
>>> 3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQptfdSCdhs
>>> 4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQptfdSCdhs
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 16
>> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 07:21:27 +0100
>> From: michael barnes <michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk>
>> To: Ron Hyde <parapantera at aol.com>
>> Cc: De Tomaso List <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Mod Ideas?
>> Message-ID: <BLU436-SMTP1600612E6265A4546D7B1488A20 at phx.gbl>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Same in the UK, seem to remember it was a great time for style?
>>
>> Sent by Michael Barnes
>>
>>> On 7 Oct 2014, at 06:42, Ron Hyde via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> It's the U.S. Equivalent of the early 70's. Remember rakes (aka
>>> jacked up), ladder bars, traction bars, snorkel scoops, metal flake
>>> paint, dual quads on a tunnel ram, thrush glasspacks, edelbrock
>>> "Tarantula " intakes.....and we all ran one of three wheels, Crager
>>> S/S, Slots, or Turbines. Vans were a whole different story.
>>>
>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
>>>
>>> -------- Original message --------
>>> From: John Taphorn <jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com>
>>> Date:10/06/2014 3:31 PM (GMT-08:00)
>>> To: Brent Stewart <bjbstewart at yahoo.com>, De Tomaso List
>>> <detomaso at poca.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Mod Ideas?
>>> That's hilarious. Hey, they seem to being having fun with it. No one
>>> seems to be taking themselves serious. Although, seems an extravagant
>>> waste of one's savings.
>>> JT
>>>> On 10/6/2014 12:44 PM, Brent Stewart via DeTomaso wrote:
>>>> I know you all need some fresh ideas for your cars...this is it!
>>>> [1]Japanese Ricer VIP Convention!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [2]image
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [3]Japanese Ricer VIP Convention!
>>>> [4]View on www.youtube.com
>>>> Preview by Yahoo
>>>>
>>>> References
>>>>
>>>> 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQptfdSCdhs
>>>> 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQptfdSCdhs
>>>> 3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQptfdSCdhs
>>>> 4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQptfdSCdhs
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>
>> Message: 17
>> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 03:13:20 -0400
>> From: jderyke at aol.com
>> To: audionut at hushmail.com, detomaso at poca.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 295-50-15 Avon Tyres
>> Message-ID: <8D1B0154F0D629D-23F8-29D98 at webmail-vm036.sysops.aol.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> I've run 245-50x 15 fronts on 8" Campys for 15 years, using no spring spacers, Koni shocks that reset the ride height lower and 4 degrees of caster. All these things impact how much clearance a given car needs. So, on our '72L, I folded in the fender lips and had the following tire rub interferences at full-lock in sharp turns with one person aboard:
>>
>> 1- a section on the inner left fender behind the brake hose-to-hard-line bracket- about 3" long, plus the extreme bottom of the left cowl drain pipe. Both fixed with a few swings of a ball-peen hammer followed by black primer paint on any exposed steel.
>>
>> 2- a rub on the extreme bottom of the right front fender below the parking light housing (also quickly hammer-fixed), and contact with the wiper motor splash shield that needed a section flattened. Without the caster increase, this last may not have been an issue. Std height cars also may not have such rubs.
>>
>> Do not be surprised if clearances are different on left and right sides. Many Panteras are slightly asymmetric when trying to fit max-width tires. Also pay attention to tire-to-brake hose clearances with very wide front tires. A spinning tire will wear thru a rubber brake hose very quickly, and if you have braided-stainless-steel dash-3 hose, the hose will wear the tire edges. Hoses can be 'biased' by retightening with the hose twisted away from the interference. It also makes little difference if the tires are 15", 16" or 17" as long as the chosen size is 245-50 and the ODs are close.
>> Good luck- J DeRyke
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Does anybody know what we can get away with clearance-wise with 8" fronts?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: audionut <audionut at hushmail.com>
>> To: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Sent: Mon, Oct 6, 2014 6:32 pm
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 295-50-15 Avon Tyres
>>
>>
>> I'd be down for a group buy, if that makes them cheaper somehow.
>>
>> But it looks like I might have clearance issues with these Avons on my
>> 8" fronts as they are all 25" tall or bigger.
>>
>> The only measure I have to go by is the stock Arriva front tire
>> diameter which is 23.5" so, exceeding that by 1.5" seems dicey.
>>
>> I actually have never put fresh rubber on my 73L so I'm in the dark
>> here.
>>
>> Does anybody know what we can get away with clearance-wise with 8"
>> fronts?
>> Sent using Hushmail
>> On 6 October, 2014 at 3:35 PM, michael at michaelshortt.com wrote:
>>
>> Are there enough folks interested for a Group buy on these tires, if
>> so, a
>> complete set of 4?, and if so, what would you want to use on the
>> front (
>> assuming that 90% of you have 7"/8" campy wheels and some of you
>> have
>> 8"/10" campy wheels.
>> The 295/50/15 will mount on an 8" wheel, so let's not beat that dead
>> horse
>> around please, it does look better on the 10", but does indeed mount
>> on an
>> 8".
>> Michael Shortt
>> --
>> Michael L. Shortt
>> Savannah, Georgia
>> [1]www.michaelshortt.com
>> michael at michaelshortt.com
>> 912-232-9390
>> This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy
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>>
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>>
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>> -------------- next part --------------
>> I've run 245-50x 15 fronts on 8" Campys for 15 years, using no spring
>> spacers, Koni shocks that reset the ride height lower and 4 degrees of
>> caster. All these things impact how much clearance a given car needs.
>> So, on our '72L, I folded in the fender lips and had the following tire
>> rub interferences at full-lock in sharp turns with one person aboard:
>> 1- a section on the inner left fender behind the brake
>> hose-to-hard-line bracket- about 3" long, plus the extreme bottom of
>> the left cowl drain pipe. Both fixed with a few swings of a ball-peen
>> hammer followed by black primer paint on any exposed steel.
>> 2- a rub on the extreme bottom of the right front fender below the
>> parking light housing (also quickly hammer-fixed), and contact with the
>> wiper motor splash shield that needed a section flattened. Without the
>> caster increase, this last may not have been an issue. Std height cars
>> also may not have such rubs.
>> Do not be surprised if clearances are different on left and right
>> sides. Many Panteras are slightly asymmetric when trying to fit
>> max-width tires. Also pay attention to tire-to-brake hose clearances
>> with very wide front tires. A spinning tire will wear thru a rubber
>> brake hose very quickly, and if you have braided-stainless-steel dash-3
>> hose, the hose will wear the tire edges. Hoses can be 'biased' by
>> retightening with the hose twisted away from the interference. It also
>> makes little difference if the tires are 15", 16" or 17" as long as the
>> chosen size is 245-50 and the ODs are close.
>> Good luck- J DeRyke
>>
>> Does anybody know what we can get away with clearance-wise with 8" fronts?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: audionut <audionut at hushmail.com>
>> To: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Sent: Mon, Oct 6, 2014 6:32 pm
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 295-50-15 Avon Tyres
>> I'd be down for a group buy, if that makes them cheaper somehow.
>>
>> But it looks like I might have clearance issues with these Avons on my
>> 8" fronts as they are all 25" tall or bigger.
>>
>> The only measure I have to go by is the stock Arriva front tire
>> diameter which is 23.5" so, exceeding that by 1.5" seems dicey.
>>
>> I actually have never put fresh rubber on my 73L so I'm in the dark
>> here.
>>
>> Does anybody know what we can get away with clearance-wise with 8"
>> fronts?
>> Sent using Hushmail
>> On 6 October, 2014 at 3:35 PM, [1]michael at michaelshortt.com wrote:
>>
>> Are there enough folks interested for a Group buy on these tires, if
>> so, a
>> complete set of 4?, and if so, what would you want to use on the
>> front (
>> assuming that 90% of you have 7"/8" campy wheels and some of you
>> have
>> 8"/10" campy wheels.
>> The 295/50/15 will mount on an 8" wheel, so let's not beat that dead
>> horse
>> around please, it does look better on the 10", but does indeed mount
>> on an
>> 8".
>> Michael Shortt
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>> Savannah, Georgia
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 18
>> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 03:39:26 -0400
>> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
>> To: detomaso at poca.com, audionut at hushmail.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 245 front tires
>> Message-ID: <9001f.3b9ba1e4.4164f2ae at aol.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 10/7/14 0 13 42, detomaso at poca.com writes:
>>
>>
>>> It also makes little difference if the tires are 15", 16" or 17" as long
>>> as the chosen size is 245-50 and the ODs are close.
>>
>>>>> A 245/50-17 will be much taller than a 245/50-15. But you're totally
>> correct about the width. A 245/50-15, 245/45-16 and 245/40-17 are almost
>> exactly the same diameter and width and all work equally well. As you say, a
>> 245 is about the most you can expect to fit under a standard body Pantera,
>> and will definitely require rolling the fender lips. They will rub the
>> body on the inside at full lock--and who cares? As long as it's not touching
>> something important, such rubbing is trivial.
>>
>> Too bad it's now impossible to find 245/50-15 tires anymore....and
>> 245/45-16s are equally hard to come by. I don't know about 245/40-17s though?
>>
>> Mike
>> -------------- next part --------------
>> In a message dated 10/7/14 0 13 42, detomaso at poca.com writes:
>>
>> It also makes little difference if the tires are 15", 16" or 17" as
>> long as the chosen size is 245-50 and the ODs are close.
>>
>>>>> A 245/50-17 will be much taller than a 245/50-15. But you're
>> totally correct about the width. A 245/50-15, 245/45-16 and 245/40-17
>> are almost exactly the same diameter and width and all work equally
>> well. As you say, a 245 is about the most you can expect to fit under
>> a standard body Pantera, and will definitely require rolling the fender
>> lips. They will rub the body on the inside at full lock--and who
>> cares? As long as it's not touching something important, such rubbing
>> is trivial.
>> Too bad it's now impossible to find 245/50-15 tires anymore....and
>> 245/45-16s are equally hard to come by. I don't know about 245/40-17s
>> though?
>> Mike
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 19
>> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 03:39:28 -0400
>> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
>> To: detomaso at poca.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] V-rated 295-50-15 tire from Avon
>> Message-ID: <90022.657eef81.4164f2b0 at aol.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 10/6/14 12 36 22, detomaso at poca.com writes:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Has anybody put these on their Panteras yet??? Would be interested in how
>>> well it performs and what the wear life is???
>>>
>>> I've heard they cost around $500 each but at least it's an option for us
>>> guys running factory 10 inch rims to get speed rated street tires.
>>
>>>>> They are popular with the GT40 set. Unfortunately they don't really
>> offer a matching front tire in our sizes. I believe the GT40 guys run a
>> 215/60 front, which is fairly close in size to the original Arriva front (which
>> was a 205/50 equivalent). They also offer a 245/60 which is much too large
>> for use in the front (some GT40 owners run them in the rear, and they would
>> perhaps work on an 8-inch wheel on a Pantera in the rear as well--Lori's
>> Pantera has ancient Goodyear Gaterbacks in 245/60 on her old Campagnolo
>> wheels, and they look surprisingly 'right'). They also offer a 225/65-15, which
>> would be ridiculously tall; 26.7 inches according to Avon. But they fail to
>> offer either a 225/50 or 245/50 which would be a perfect match on a Pantera
>> to go with their 295/50 rear.
>>
>> Recognize that these are classic RACE tires, and come with a host of
>> drawbacks. Besides their high cost and short lifespan, they are a decidedly
>> 'vintage' tire in terms of their tread pattern, and I would be a bit skeptical
>> about their performance in the wet (Avon's claims notwithstanding). Your
>> paint would also likely take a pretty good beating as they picked up every
>> rock and pebble and flung them into your bodywork.
>>
>> You can read more about them on their website, to include all the specs and
>> various available sizes:
>>
>> http://www.avonmotorsport.com/historic/historic/cr6zz
>>
>> Mike
>> -------------- next part --------------
>> In a message dated 10/6/14 12 36 22, detomaso at poca.com writes:
>>
>> Has anybody put these on their Panteras yet? Would be interested
>> in how well it performs and what the wear life is?
>> I've heard they cost around $500 each but at least it's an option
>> for us guys running factory 10 inch rims to get speed rated street
>> tires.
>>
>>>>> They are popular with the GT40 set. Unfortunately they don't really
>> offer a matching front tire in our sizes. I believe the GT40 guys run
>> a 215/60 front, which is fairly close in size to the original Arriva
>> front (which was a 205/50 equivalent). They also offer a 245/60 which
>> is much too large for use in the front (some GT40 owners run them in
>> the rear, and they would perhaps work on an 8-inch wheel on a Pantera
>> in the rear as well--Lori's Pantera has ancient Goodyear Gaterbacks in
>> 245/60 on her old Campagnolo wheels, and they look surprisingly
>> 'right'). They also offer a 225/65-15, which would be ridiculously
>> tall; 26.7 inches according to Avon. But they fail to offer either a
>> 225/50 or 245/50 which would be a perfect match on a Pantera to go with
>> their 295/50 rear.
>> Recognize that these are classic RACE tires, and come with a host of
>> drawbacks. Besides their high cost and short lifespan, they are a
>> decidedly 'vintage' tire in terms of their tread pattern, and I would
>> be a bit skeptical about their performance in the wet (Avon's claims
>> notwithstanding). Your paint would also likely take a pretty good
>> beating as they picked up every rock and pebble and flung them into
>> your bodywork.
>> You can read more about them on their website, to include all the specs
>> and various available sizes:
>> http://www.avonmotorsport.com/historic/historic/cr6zz
>> Mike
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 20
>> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 09:42:05 -0400
>> From: DtomasoCat at aol.com
>> To: detomaso at poca.com
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Michelin to offer 15" tires again
>> Message-ID: <7c331.69185765.416547ad at aol.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> To those of you following the Avon tire thread,
>>
>> The latest issue (October 2014) of EVO (British Car Magazine) there is an
>> advertisement for Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires which reads in part:
>>
>> "The Pilot Sport Cup 2 is available in a range of sizes from 21 inches all
>> the way down to 17-inch fitments. Following the tyre's launch, there will
>> be an increasing availability for smaller wheel sizes down to 15 inches,
>> enabling Michelin to cater for many popular trackday cars."
>>
>> I don't know what the compound specifics/width's are with these tires but
>> as someone who has run Michelin Pilot Sports for many years, I can say that
>> Michelin builds a fantastic tire. It might be a good time to have a write
>> in campaign to lobby for Pantera tire sizes as Michelin begins to ramp up
>> production of the 15" tires.
>>
>> So there may be more choices than just Avon soon.
>>
>> Jim Demick
>> Panteras of New Mexico
>> -------------- next part --------------
>> To those of you following the Avon tire thread,
>>
>>
>>
>> The latest issue (October 2014) of EVO (British Car Magazine) there is
>> an advertisement for Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires which reads in
>> part:
>>
>>
>>
>> "The Pilot Sport Cup 2 is available in a range of sizes from 21 inches
>> all the way down to 17-inch fitments. Following the tyre's launch,
>> there will be an increasing availability for smaller wheel sizes down
>> to 15 inches, enabling Michelin to cater for many popular trackday
>> cars."
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't know what the compound specifics/width's are with these tires
>> but as someone who has run Michelin Pilot Sports for many years, I can
>> say that Michelin builds a fantastic tire. It might be a good time to
>> have a write in campaign to lobby for Pantera tire sizes as Michelin
>> begins to ramp up production of the 15" tires.
>>
>>
>>
>> So there may be more choices than just Avon soon.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim Demick
>>
>> Panteras of New Mexico
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 21
>> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 07:08:07 -0700
>> From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>> To: "DtomasoCat at aol.com" <dtomasocat at aol.com>, De Tomaso List
>> <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Michelin to offer 15" tires again
>> Message-ID: <BAY173-W42A770DFF8910541C8D1D095A20 at phx.gbl>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> A lot of the tires being mentioned are vintage race compounds e.g. Michelin TB15, Avon CR6ZZ, but no one has mentioned Dunlop and I think maybe some trire options get overlooked becasue they don't have standard sizing nomenclature.
>>
>> I have been searching for tires for the GT40which has been a bit of a challenge as I have a Le Mans wide body with 12" rear width and 10" front width wheels. I am settling on Dunlop Post Historic CR82 tires, which are close to original specs for tire diameter on the GT40. Like many found with the Michelin TB's it's cheaper to get the Dunlop's shipped out of the UK than to buy them in the US. The Dunlop's are sized by metric standards as below;
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Size
>>
>>
>> Approved
>> Rims
>>
>>
>> Std.
>> Rim
>>
>>
>> Tire
>> Dia.
>>
>>
>> Section
>> width
>>
>>
>> Tread
>> width
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 475/1000-15
>> CR65
>>
>>
>> 6.0-9.0
>>
>>
>> 8.0
>>
>>
>> 24.7
>>
>>
>> 9.8
>>
>>
>> 7.1
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 430/1160-15
>> CR82
>>
>>
>> 7.0-11.0
>>
>>
>> 9.5
>>
>>
>> 24.5
>>
>>
>> 11.3
>>
>>
>> 9.1
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 525/1050-15
>> CR65
>>
>>
>> 7.5-10.0
>>
>>
>> 8.5
>>
>>
>> 25.7
>>
>>
>> 10.5
>>
>>
>> 8.0
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 530/1360-15
>> CR82
>>
>>
>> 10.0-13.0
>>
>>
>> 12.0
>>
>>
>> 25.7
>>
>>
>> 13.6
>>
>>
>> 11.2
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 530/1500-15
>> CR82
>>
>>
>> 11.0-15.5
>>
>>
>> 15.0
>>
>>
>> 25.5
>>
>>
>> 16.0
>>
>>
>> 12.0
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 600/1200-15
>> CR65
>>
>>
>> 9.0-11.5
>>
>>
>> 10.0
>>
>>
>> 26.6
>>
>>
>> 12.4
>>
>>
>> 9.4
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 530/1600-15
>> CR82
>>
>>
>> 14.0-17.5
>>
>>
>> 17.0
>>
>>
>> 25.5
>>
>>
>> 17.5
>>
>>
>> 14.3
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Another thought is that Roger Kraus offered to cut and tread any slick tire to meet my needs, not saying it is necessarily the right choice, but it does offer another option at considerably lower cost than some of the exotic alternatives.
>>
>> Julian
>>
>> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 09:42:05 -0400
>> To: detomaso at poca.com
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Michelin to offer 15" tires again
>> From: detomaso at poca.com
>>
>>
>> To those of you following the Avon tire thread,
>>
>> The latest issue (October 2014) of EVO (British Car Magazine) there is an
>> advertisement for Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires which reads in part:
>>
>> "The Pilot Sport Cup 2 is available in a range of sizes from 21 inches all
>> the way down to 17-inch fitments. Following the tyre's launch, there will
>> be an increasing availability for smaller wheel sizes down to 15 inches,
>> enabling Michelin to cater for many popular trackday cars."
>>
>> I don't know what the compound specifics/width's are with these tires but
>> as someone who has run Michelin Pilot Sports for many years, I can say that
>> Michelin builds a fantastic tire. It might be a good time to have a write
>> in campaign to lobby for Pantera tire sizes as Michelin begins to ramp up
>> production of the 15" tires.
>>
>> So there may be more choices than just Avon soon.
>>
>> Jim Demick
>> Panteras of New Mexico
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
>>
>> DeTomaso mailing list
>> DeTomaso at poca.com
>> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>> -------------- next part --------------
>> A lot of the tires being mentioned are vintage race compounds e.g.
>> Michelin TB15, Avon CR6ZZ, but no one has mentioned Dunlop and I think
>> maybe some trire options get overlooked becasue they don't have
>> standard sizing nomenclature.
>> I have been searching for tires for the GT40which has been a bit of a
>> challenge as I have a Le Mans wide body with 12" rear width and 10"
>> front width wheels. I am settling on Dunlop Post Historic CR82 tires,
>> which are close to original specs for tire diameter on the GT40. Like
>> many found with the Michelin TB's it's cheaper to get the Dunlop's
>> shipped out of the UK than to buy them in the US. The Dunlop's are
>> sized by metric standards as below;
>>
>> Size
>>
>> Approved Rims
>>
>> Std. Rim
>>
>> Tire Dia.
>>
>> Section width
>>
>> Tread width
>>
>> 475/1000-15 CR65
>>
>> 6.0-9.0
>>
>> 8.0
>>
>> 24.7
>>
>> 9.8
>>
>> 7.1
>>
>> 430/1160-15 CR82
>>
>> 7.0-11.0
>>
>> 9.5
>>
>> 24.5
>>
>> 11.3
>>
>> 9.1
>>
>> 525/1050-15 CR65
>>
>> 7.5-10.0
>>
>> 8.5
>>
>> 25.7
>>
>> 10.5
>>
>> 8.0
>>
>> 530/1360-15 CR82
>>
>> 10.0-13.0
>>
>> 12.0
>>
>> 25.7
>>
>> 13.6
>>
>> 11.2
>>
>> 530/1500-15 CR82
>>
>> 11.0-15.5
>>
>> 15.0
>>
>> 25.5
>>
>> 16.0
>>
>> 12.0
>>
>> 600/1200-15 CR65
>>
>> 9.0-11.5
>>
>> 10.0
>>
>> 26.6
>>
>> 12.4
>>
>> 9.4
>>
>> 530/1600-15 CR82
>>
>> 14.0-17.5
>>
>> 17.0
>>
>> 25.5
>>
>> 17.5
>>
>> 14.3
>> Another thought is that Roger Kraus offered to cut and tread any slick
>> tire to meet my needs, not saying it is necessarily the right choice,
>> but it does offer another option at considerably lower cost than some
>> of the exotic alternatives.
>> Julian
>>
>> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 09:42:05 -0400
>> To: detomaso at poca.com
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Michelin to offer 15" tires again
>> From: detomaso at poca.com
>> To those of you following the Avon tire thread,
>>
>> The latest issue (October 2014) of EVO (British Car Magazine) there is an
>> advertisement for Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires which reads in part:
>>
>> "The Pilot Sport Cup 2 is available in a range of sizes from 21 inches all
>> the way down to 17-inch fitments. Following the tyre's launch, there will
>> be an increasing availability for smaller wheel sizes down to 15 inches,
>> enabling Michelin to cater for many popular trackday cars."
>>
>> I don't know what the compound specifics/width's are with these tires but
>> as someone who has run Michelin Pilot Sports for many years, I can say that
>> Michelin builds a fantastic tire. It might be a good time to have a write
>> in campaign to lobby for Pantera tire sizes as Michelin begins to ramp up
>> production of the 15" tires.
>>
>> So there may be more choices than just Avon soon.
>>
>> Jim Demick
>> Panteras of New Mexico
>>
>> _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed
>> by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com
>> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 22
>> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 11:22:07 -0400
>> From: Tom Shinrock <tmshinro at aol.com>
>> To: detomaso at poca.com
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] AVON tires
>> Message-ID: <8D1B05997131F23-24E0-29D12 at webmail-va077.sysops.aol.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>>
>> Mike said ..
>>
>> Recognize that these are classic RACE tires, and come with a host of drawbacks.
>> Besides their high cost and short lifespan, they are a decidedly 'vintage' tire
>> in terms of their tread pattern, and I would be a bit skeptical about their performance
>> in the wet (Avon's claims notwithstanding). Your paint would also likely take a pretty good
>> beating as they picked up every rock and pebble and flung them into your bodywork.
>>
>> The reason I took notice of the Avon tires was because I read a comment from someone on either a Corvette forum or Superformance forum
>> that the tires had excellent wet and dry adhesion but did not cover themselves with rocks like other race tires. They also said that it looked
>> like the tire would last 10,000 miles.
>>
>> That is why I questioned if anybody put them on their Pantera to validate if these claims were true.
>>
>> Tom
>> 5186
>>
>> -------------- next part --------------
>> Mike said ..
>>
>>
>> Recognize that these are classic RACE tires, and come with a host of drawbacks.
>>
>>
>> Besides their high cost and short lifespan, they are a decidedly 'vintage' ti
>> re
>>
>> in terms of their tread pattern, and I would be a bit skeptical about their perf
>> ormance
>>
>> in the wet (Avon's claims notwithstanding). Your paint would also likely take a
>> pretty good
>>
>> beating as they picked up every rock and pebble and flung them into your bodywor
>> k.
>>
>>
>> The reason I took notice of the Avon tires was because I read a comment from so
>> meone on either a Corvette forum or Superformance forum
>>
>> that the tires had excellent wet and dry adhesion but did not cover themselves w
>> ith rocks like other race tires. They also said that it looked
>>
>> like the tire would last 10,000 miles.
>>
>>
>> That is why I questioned if anybody put them on their Pantera to validate if the
>> se claims were true.
>>
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> 5186
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 23
>> Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2014 10:28:49 -0500
>> From: Paul Timko <thedrol at pobox.com>
>> To: Pantera List <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] ZF for sale
>> Message-ID: <543406B1.50706 at pobox.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> I saw this ad for a ZF for sale.
>>
>> http://www.race-cars.com/boxsales/other/1412185503/1412185503ss.htm
>>
>> Paul
>> #9270
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 24
>> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 11:25:16 -0700
>> From: Curt Hall <cuvee at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, "detomaso at poca.com"
>> <detomaso at poca.com>, "audionut at hushmail.com" <audionut at hushmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 245 front tires
>> Message-ID:
>> <1412706316.2131.YahooMailNeo at web184705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Mike...
>>
>> I just bought 4 Continental tires. Sizes 245x40x17 and 295x35x18. I found 245 sizes in a Sumitmo, Continental, BFGs, Michelin, and Vredestein. All with matching rears in 18"--- 285 or 295.
>>
>> Curt
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 7, 2014 12:39 AM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 10/7/14 0 13 42, detomaso at poca.com writes:
>>
>> It also makes little difference if the tires are 15", 16" or 17" as
>> long as the chosen size is 245-50 and the ODs are close.
>>
>>>>> A 245/50-17 will be much taller than a 245/50-15. But you're
>> totally correct about the width. A 245/50-15, 245/45-16 and 245/40-17
>> are almost exactly the same diameter and width and all work equally
>> well. As you say, a 245 is about the most you can expect to fit under
>> a standard body Pantera, and will definitely require rolling the fender
>> lips. They will rub the body on the inside at full lock--and who
>> cares? As long as it's not touching something important, such rubbing
>> is trivial.
>> Too bad it's now impossible to find 245/50-15 tires anymore....and
>> 245/45-16s are equally hard to come by. I don't know about 245/40-17s
>> though?
>> Mike
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
>>
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>> -------------- next part --------------
>> Mike...
>> I just bought 4 Continental tires. Sizes 245x40x17 and 295x35x18. I
>> found 245 sizes in a Sumitmo, Continental, BFGs, Michelin, and
>> Vredestein. All with matching rears in 18"--- 285 or 295.
>> Curt
>> On Tuesday, October 7, 2014 12:39 AM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
>> <detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
>> In a message dated 10/7/14 0 13 42, [1]detomaso at poca.com writes:
>> It also makes little difference if the tires are 15", 16" or 17" as
>> long as the chosen size is 245-50 and the ODs are close.
>>>>> A 245/50-17 will be much taller than a 245/50-15. But you're
>> totally correct about the width. A 245/50-15, 245/45-16 and
>> 245/40-17
>> are almost exactly the same diameter and width and all work equally
>> well. As you say, a 245 is about the most you can expect to fit
>> under
>> a standard body Pantera, and will definitely require rolling the
>> fender
>> lips. They will rub the body on the inside at full lock--and who
>> cares? As long as it's not touching something important, such
>> rubbing
>> is trivial.
>> Too bad it's now impossible to find 245/50-15 tires anymore....and
>> 245/45-16s are equally hard to come by. I don't know about
>> 245/40-17s
>> though?
>> Mike
>> _______________________________________________
>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
>> DeTomaso mailing list
>> [2]DeTomaso at poca.com
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>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>> 2. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>> 3. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 16:46:19 -0400
> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> To: gaino at earthlink.net, julian_kift at hotmail.com,
> michael at michaelshortt.com, detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC looking for GT40 Replica
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> In a message dated 10/6/14 12 06 1, gaino at earthlink.net writes:
>
>
>> Here is a great car by a famous builder.?
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Ford-GT-black-GT40-CAV-Mk1-built-and-owned-by-Randy-Grubb-/221568726758?forcer
>> rptr=true&hash=item33968676e6&item=221568726758&pt=US_Cars_Trucks
>>
>>
>
>>>> I have actually driven this car on a racetrack. Randy is a former
> Pantera owner/PCNC member who attended the POCA Fun Rally and PCNC track events,
> driving this black GT40. It's a solid no-stories car....
>
> Randy, BTW, is a real celebrity in the auto world. He's an automotive
> artist, builder of Jay Leno's 'tank car' and some other really wild
> creations....
>
> Mike
> -------------- next part --------------
> In a message dated 10/6/14 12 06 1, gaino at earthlink.net writes:
>
> Here is a great car by a famous builder.
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Ford-GT-black-GT40-CAV-Mk1-built-and-ow
> ned-by-Randy-Grubb-/221568726758?forcerrptr=true&hash=item33968676e6
> &item=221568726758&pt=US_Cars_Trucks
>
>>>> I have actually driven this car on a racetrack. Randy is a former
> Pantera owner/PCNC member who attended the POCA Fun Rally and PCNC
> track events, driving this black GT40. It's a solid no-stories car....
> Randy, BTW, is a real celebrity in the auto world. He's an automotive
> artist, builder of Jay Leno's 'tank car' and some other really wild
> creations....
> Mike
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 15:09:13 -0700
> From: Patrick Bouzaglou <targacalifornia at gmail.com>
> To: DeTomaso at poca.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] michelin tires
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Hello All
> Besides the Pantera, we also have the Porsche wide body crowd that are
> building 73 RSR look cars. Then Lamborghini Countach owners. Please post
> the contact information on who to pester... er beg , at Michelin, to make
> these tires. Right now the Michelin TB Course is the option, but these are
> pricey
>
> Dave
> TRE Motorsports
> -------------- next part --------------
> Hello All
> Besides the Pantera, we also have the Porsche wide body crowd that are
> building 73 RSR look cars. Then Lamborghini Countach owners. Please
> post the contact information on who to pester... er beg , at Michelin,
> to make these tires. Right now the Michelin TB Course is the option,
> but these are pricey
> Dave
> TRE Motorsports
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 17:06:37 -0700
> From: "Mike Thomas" <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
> To: <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: A-to-Z Car Collection up for Auction
> Message-ID: <028c01cfe28b$bb36b550$31a41ff0$@comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> What a life's passion. Some great cars in this collection.
>
> https://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/how-a-teacher-spent-50-years-finding
> -a-car-for-every-letter-of-the-alphabet-162948674.html
>
>
> Mike Thomas
> VP, POCA
> VP, Panteras Northwest
> Yellow '74 #6328
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 21:06:00 -0600
> From: "David" <adin at frontier.net>
> To: <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] GT40s replicas
> Message-ID: <000001cfe2a4$ca212f00$5e638d00$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Randy Grubb is a pretty bright guy - way beyond just knocking stuff
> together. That black CAV should be considered.
>
>
>
> Also, Jack has a Superformance for sale . . .or did. Really a very nice
> car, at a somewhat higher price. Don't know there are many, if any, better
> GT40s - if it weren't red . . .
>
>
>
> Avoid the cracker tax - GT40.com
>
> -------------- next part --------------
> Randy Grubb is a pretty bright guy - way beyond just knocking stuff
> together. That black CAV should be considered.
>
>
> Also, Jack has a Superformance for sale . . .or did. Really a very
> nice car, at a somewhat higher price. Don't know there are many, if
> any, better GT40s - if it weren't red . . .
>
>
> Avoid the cracker tax - GT40.com
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 23:23:17 -0400
> From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michael at michaelshortt.com>
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] New Avon Tyres 295-50-15
> Message-ID:
> <CAEWtxWowJqyFYG4PUyzmrg1j4rP66ULMcrB+r72BR+3fkSjq6A at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> I have worked a deal for a group discount for these tyres at $450 each as
> opposed to $500. Shipping is about $30 per tyre ( from US distribution
> location) If you want a pair as well as any fronts, let me know soon, the
> container in the UK leaves for the US next week. I will put you in touch
> with the right person and you can handle it directly.
>
> Michael Shortt
> -------------- next part --------------
> I have worked a deal for a group discount for these tyres at $450 each
> as opposed to $500. Shipping is about $30 per tyre ( from US
> distribution location) If you want a pair as well as any fronts, let me
> know soon, the container in the UK leaves for the US next week. I will
> put you in touch with the right person and you can handle it directly.
>
> Michael Shortt
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2014 22:19:38 -0700
> From: audionut at hushmail.com
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] V-rated 295-50-15 tire from Avon
> Message-ID: <20141008051938.365CEA0110 at smtp.hushmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Thanks Jack, thanks Mike. Both of you, ever the voice of Pantera
> reason and limitless fonts of knowledge. My car also thanks you, as
> the teenager within might well have buggered
> Avons on the rear it is then. Traction be what it may, these tires
> are exactly what I'm after: a retro-Italian-American unruly muscle
> beast.
> Sent using Hushmail
> On 7 October, 2014 at 12:37 AM, "Mike Drew via DeTomaso" wrote:In a
> message dated 10/6/14 12 36 22, detomaso at poca.com writes:
>>
>> Has anybody put these on their Panteras yet? Would be interested
> in how
>> well it performs and what the wear life is?
>>
>> I've heard they cost around $500 each but at least it's an option
> for us
>> guys running factory 10 inch rims to get speed rated street tires.
>>
>
>>>> They are popular with the GT40 set. Unfortunately they don't
> really
> offer a matching front tire in our sizes. I believe the GT40 guys
> run a
> 215/60 front, which is fairly close in size to the original Arriva
> front (which
> was a 205/50 equivalent). They also offer a 245/60 which is much too
> large
> for use in the front (some GT40 owners run them in the rear, and they
> would
> perhaps work on an 8-inch wheel on a Pantera in the rear as
> well--Lori's
> Pantera has ancient Goodyear Gaterbacks in 245/60 on her old
> Campagnolo
> wheels, and they look surprisingly 'right'). They also offer a
> 225/65-15, which
> would be ridiculously tall; 26.7 inches according to Avon. But they
> fail to
> offer either a 225/50 or 245/50 which would be a perfect match on a
> Pantera
> to go with their 295/50 rear.
>
> Recognize that these are classic RACE tires, and come with a host of
> drawbacks. Besides their high cost and short lifespan, they are a
> decidedly
> 'vintage' tire in terms of their tread pattern, and I would be a bit
> skeptical
> about their performance in the wet (Avon's claims notwithstanding).
> Your
> paint would also likely take a pretty good beating as they picked up
> every
> rock and pebble and flung them into your bodywork.
>
> You can read more about them on their website, to include all the
> specs and
> various available sizes:
>
> http://www.avonmotorsport.com/historic/historic/cr6zz
>
> Mike
> -------------- next part --------------
> Thanks Jack, thanks Mike. Both of you, ever the voice of Pantera
> reason and limitless fonts of knowledge. My car also thanks you, as
> the teenager within might well have buggered
>
> Avons on the rear it is then. Traction be what it may, these tires are
> exactly what I'm after: a retro-Italian-American unruly muscle beast.
>
> Sent using Hushmail
> On 7 October, 2014 at 12:37 AM, "Mike Drew via DeTomaso"
> <detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
>
> In a message dated 10/6/14 12 36 22, detomaso at poca.com writes:
>>
>> Has anybody put these on their Panteras yet? Would be interested
> in how
>> well it performs and what the wear life is?
>>
>> I've heard they cost around $500 each but at least it's an option
> for us
>> guys running factory 10 inch rims to get speed rated street tires.
>>
>>>> They are popular with the GT40 set. Unfortunately they don't
> really
> offer a matching front tire in our sizes. I believe the GT40 guys
> run a
> 215/60 front, which is fairly close in size to the original Arriva
> front (which
> was a 205/50 equivalent). They also offer a 245/60 which is much too
> large
> for use in the front (some GT40 owners run them in the rear, and
> they would
> perhaps work on an 8-inch wheel on a Pantera in the rear as
> well--Lori's
> Pantera has ancient Goodyear Gaterbacks in 245/60 on her old
> Campagnolo
> wheels, and they look surprisingly 'right'). They also offer a
> 225/65-15, which
> would be ridiculously tall; 26.7 inches according to Avon. But they
> fail to
> offer either a 225/50 or 245/50 which would be a perfect match on a
> Pantera
> to go with their 295/50 rear.
> Recognize that these are classic RACE tires, and come with a host of
> drawbacks. Besides their high cost and short lifespan, they are a
> decidedly
> 'vintage' tire in terms of their tread pattern, and I would be a bit
> skeptical
> about their performance in the wet (Avon's claims notwithstanding).
> Your
> paint would also likely take a pretty good beating as they picked up
> every
> rock and pebble and flung them into your bodywork.
> You can read more about them on their website, to include all the
> specs and
> various available sizes:
> [1]http://www.avonmotorsport.com/historic/historic/cr6zz
> Mike
>
> References
>
> 1. http://www.avonmotorsport.com/historic/historic/cr6zz
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 01:46:18 -0400
> From: Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Euro rally crash - amazing near misses
> Message-ID: <8D1B0D25109E806-1CA0-2E798 at webmail-va023.sysops.aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Rally cars tend to get off-course at times.
>
> Rally event spectators have always worried me with how close they are to the track and the constant threat of being TOO close.
>
> After this amazing near-miss, I think there may be quite a few spectators that may watch future rallies from a bit further back.
>
> Or maybe, they will never again attend a rally.
>
> Timing is everything, and this crash and subsequent spectator near-misses once again proves that to be true.
>
> Just study this closely to realize how many people came so very, very, very close to serious injury.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlLolGuqo9o#t=38
>
> Larry
> -------------- next part --------------
> Rally cars tend to get off-course at times.
> Rally event spectators have always worried me with how close they are
> to the track and the constant threat of being TOO close.
> After this amazing near-miss, I think there may be quite a few
> spectators that may watch future rallies from a bit further back.
> Or maybe, they will never again attend a rally.
> Timing is everything, and this crash and subsequent spectator
> near-misses once again proves that to be true.
> Just study this closely to realize how many people came so very, very,
> very close to serious injury.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlLolGuqo9o#t=38
> Larry
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 00:33:50 -0700
> From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> To: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Great Group 4 Pantera video
> Message-ID: <874E7105-F5B2-4CDD-ADFF-1073BADD81C6 at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Guys,
>
> Great video of a pair of genuine Group 4 Panteras at a practice day at Spa:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RByZhTwmIs&sns=em
>
> If you look there are others available as well.
>
> Patrick Hals is flying the Candy car to Florida to run in the Daytona 24 hr vintage race in mid-November. You should try to be there if you can!
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 07:02:51 -0400
> From: "Sam" <shbailey at att.net>
> To: <thedrol at pobox.com>, "Detomaso Forum" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZF for sale
> Message-ID: <CE015B493E92435FAD5C6D352DEE5D7A at DadarooHP>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> I have 2 NOS ones. I plan to sell one soon since I still have the original one that came with the car sitting on the shelf since it only had about 9200 miles. If interested just email me.
> -------------- next part --------------
> I have 2 NOS ones. I plan to sell one soon since I still have the
> original one that came with the car sitting on the shelf since it only
> had about 9200 miles. If interested just email me.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 09:53:17 -0700
> From: "clarkewilma" <cwhamm at frontier.com>
> To: <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Extra activities at The Fun Rally
> Message-ID: <000001cfe318$5ce11990$16a34cb0$@com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> We want to spend some extra days in the Houston area and was wondering if
> any of the Space City Pantera group could come up with some day outings to
> do before or after The POCA Lone Star Fun Rally.
>
> Clarke Hamm 7350
>
>
>
> -------------- next part --------------
> We want to spend some extra days in the Houston area and was wondering
> if any of the Space City Pantera group could come up with some day
> outings to do before or after The POCA Lone Star Fun Rally.
>
> Clarke Hamm 7350
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 13:04:10 -0500
> From: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
> To: clarkewilma <cwhamm at frontier.com>
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Extra activities at The Fun Rally
> Message-ID:
> <CANX29aX2itU9eJanRXoL5jgVvkG9ZWNpBHMQT8U_=fm9Wqv4nQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> I know that there are some California folks who are staying over and plan
> to visit San Antonio to see the Alamo and party on the Riverwalk.
>
> Jeff
> 6559
>
> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 11:53 AM, clarkewilma <cwhamm at frontier.com> wrote:
>
>> We want to spend some extra days in the Houston area and was wondering
>> if any of the Space City Pantera group could come up with some day
>> outings to do before or after The POCA Lone Star Fun Rally.
>>
>> Clarke Hamm 7350
>>
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> -------------- next part --------------
> I know that there are some California folks who are staying over and
> plan to visit San Antonio to see the Alamo and party on the Riverwalk.
> Jeff
> 6559
>
> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 11:53 AM, clarkewilma <[1]cwhamm at frontier.com>
> wrote:
>
> A A We want to spend some extra days in the Houston area and was
> wondering
> A A if any of the Space City Pantera group could come up with some
> day
> A A outings to do before or after The POCA Lone Star Fun Rally.
> A A Clarke Hamm 7350
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> References
>
> 1. mailto:cwhamm at frontier.com
> 2. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 3. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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