[DeTomaso] Roofline or GT5 and GT5S

[cengles at cox.net]

Dear Mike,

                     Well, off onto a tangent from wheels to roof line.

                     The roof line of the GT5 and GT5S Panteras is 
*lower* than earlier "normal" Panteras?????   I have never heard that. 
I had heard of a lower floor pan and smallish suspension differences, 
different engines, but I have not heard of a different roof line.

                    I always thought that their menacing good looks, 
similar to the Ferrari 288 GT, was due to the widened stance and fender 
flares.

                    May I ask if you have any references for the lowered 
roof line??   I mean this isn't just your calibrated eyeball analysis?

                                     Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles

On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 11:02 PM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso wrote:

> AJ,
>
> You are completely missing the point.
> Your statements are completely true for narrow body Panteras. We are 
> not talking about narrow body Panteras. We are talking about GT5 etc 
> which came from the factory with 23 inch front and 24 inch rear tires. 
> Their fender openings are much lower on the side of the body to 
> accommodate them. Their roofline is lower than the early cars which 
> only accentuates their width and makes them even more menacing.  When 
> you jack them up with tall tires, they look ridiculous IMHO.
> I also agree with you that an early Pantera with too-short tires looks 
> really odd...
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 30, 2014, at 20:37, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> wrote:
>
>> On 9/30/2014 8:17 AM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso wrote:
>>>   (and the cars look infinitely better with the
>>>   short 24-inch tires they were intended for, rather than the 
>>> 27-inch
>>>   tires that the larger-diameter wheels restrict you to)
>>
>> I'm throwing down the bullshit card with regard to the rear wheels.
>> The Pantera -came- with a 27" wheel/tire combo and the larger 
>> diameter
>> combo looks infinitely better filling the rear wheel wells than a 24"
>> tire.  Yes, it may be true that an 18" or 19" wheel looks blingy and
>> goofy in the rear but it comes down to tires.
>>
>> Most rubber available for larger diameter rims still falls -under- 
>> 27"
>> diameter.  The larger diameter wheels are in no way "restricting" you 
>> to
>> 27" rubber.  Oh how I wish that were the case, because then I could 
>> find
>> properly sized rubber for the rear of the car and keep the 
>> speedometer
>> close to being accurate.
>>
>> 24" rubber is nearly the max you can find for a 15" wheel these days,
>> and it looks stupidly small on the rear of a Pantera.  The Pantera 
>> looks
>> proper to me with smaller diameter wheel/tire combo in front and 
>> larger
>> diameter in the rear, in the diameters that are the same as the 
>> factory
>> intended (about 24" front and 27" rear).
>>
>> Asa  Jay
>>
>>
>>
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   Dear Mike,

                       Well, off onto a tangent from wheels to roof
   line.

                       The roof line of the GT5 and GT5S Panteras is
   *lower* than earlier "normal" Panteras?????   I have never heard that.
   I had heard of a lower floor pan and smallish suspension differences,
   different engines, but I have not heard of a different roof line.

                      I always thought that their menacing good looks,
   similar to the Ferrari 288 GT, was due to the widened stance and fender
   flares.

                      May I ask if you have any references for the lowered
   roof line??   I mean this isn't just your calibrated eyeball analysis?

                                       Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles

   On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 11:02 PM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso wrote:

   > AJ,

   >

   > You are completely missing the point.

   >

   > Your statements are completely true for narrow body Panteras. We are
   not talking about narrow body Panteras. We are talking about GT5 etc
   which came from the factory with 23 inch front and 24 inch rear tires.
   Their fender openings are much lower on the side of the body to
   accommodate them. Their roofline is lower than the early cars which
   only accentuates their width and makes them even more menacing.  When
   you jack them up with tall tires, they look ridiculous IMHO.

   >

   > I also agree with you that an early Pantera with too-short tires
   looks really odd...

   >

   > Mike

   >

   > Sent from my iPhone

   >

   > On Sep 30, 2014, at 20:37, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
   wrote:

   >

   > > On 9/30/2014 8:17 AM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso wrote:

   > >>   (and the cars look infinitely better with the

   > >>   short 24-inch tires they were intended for, rather than the
   27-inch

   > >>   tires that the larger-diameter wheels restrict you to)

   > >

   > > I'm throwing down the bullshit card with regard to the rear wheels.

   > > The Pantera -came- with a 27" wheel/tire combo and the larger
   diameter

   > > combo looks infinitely better filling the rear wheel wells than a
   24"

   > > tire.  Yes, it may be true that an 18" or 19" wheel looks blingy
   and

   > > goofy in the rear but it comes down to tires.

   > >

   > > Most rubber available for larger diameter rims still falls -under-
   27"

   > > diameter.  The larger diameter wheels are in no way "restricting"
   you to

   > > 27" rubber.  Oh how I wish that were the case, because then I could
   find

   > > properly sized rubber for the rear of the car and keep the
   speedometer

   > > close to being accurate.

   > >

   > > 24" rubber is nearly the max you can find for a 15" wheel these
   days,

   > > and it looks stupidly small on the rear of a Pantera.  The Pantera
   looks

   > > proper to me with smaller diameter wheel/tire combo in front and
   larger

   > > diameter in the rear, in the diameters that are the same as the
   factory

   > > intended (about 24" front and 27" rear).

   > >

   > > Asa  Jay

   > >

   > >

   > >

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