[DeTomaso] Fuel cell
Arjun Ghosh-Dastidar
arjun.ghoshdastidar at gmail.com
Fri Nov 21 16:22:13 EST 2014
You can run them with or without a bladder.
If you want FIA certification, you'll need to run an FIA certified bladder
with the tanks - and swap them out every 5 years.
On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Bjoern Flesland <bflesland at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Are your tanks regarded as fuel cells?
> Do they have a bladder and foam inside?
> If so, are they SFI or FIA certified?
> Cheers Bjoern
>
> On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Arjun Ghosh-Dastidar
> <arjun.ghoshdastidar at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Ron McCall designed and built a twin-tank set up for my car that is
> > similar to what Jack is describing. Holds 12.5 gal on each side for a
> > total of 25 gal.A
> > You can chose which side to use or drain from both sides. Gauge can
> > show fuel volume in either tank. You can fill up from either side.
> > I have this set up on my Pantera and my Ferrari 308 - both passed NASA
> > and SCCA tech inspection.
> > Ron has the blueprints for the tanks so he can easily fab one up for
> > you. Picture of my 308 tanks attached.
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso
> > <[1]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
> >
> > A A I have seen a pair of fuel cells run in race Panteras in the
> > past. They
> > A A were simple rectangular blocks about 12" thick and sized to fit
> > one on
> > A A each side of the engine, with a large connection tube between
> > the two
> > A A tanks that ran in front of the engine. Each held about 10
> > gallons.
> > A A Advantage is, you get better balance since only half the fuel
> > volume is
> > A A in either tank, and all of it is far lower in the chassis than
> > would be
> > A A a single tank behind the driver. Disadvantage is more
> > complexity, far
> > A A more chance of fuel leaks from dual cells, and no gauge. Don't
> > know who
> > A A built them but any of the commercial fuel-cell builders likely
> > have
> > A A such. Quella runs a single cell in the front trunk of his
> > A A tube-frame/plastic-body Pantera that seems about the same
> > size.10
> > A A gallons or so would be OK for open track events but too small
> > for
> > A A Silver State or most street use. Power requires fuel: Jr Wilson
> > with
> > A A around 900 bhp once emptied a 42 gallon cell in only 92 miles
> > of WFO
> > A A running in one Silver State event....plan accordingly.
> > A A -----Original Message-----
> > A A From: Boyd Casey <[2]boyd411 at gmail.com>
> > A A To: detomaso <[3]detomaso at poca.com>
> > A A Sent: Fri, Nov 21, 2014 8:03 am
> > A A Subject: [DeTomaso] Fuel cell
> > A A Some one listed a fuel cell for sale the other day but by the
> > time I
> > A A made contact it was already spoken for. I an in the process if
> > A A replacing my engine with a HIPOA engine and would like to
> > replace my
> > A A fuel tank. Some one mentioned in the past that Dennis Quella at
> > one
> > A A time carried or could supply a fuel cell that fit A in the
> > original
> > A A fuel tank space perfectly. Does any one know off any other
> > replacement
> > A A fuel tanks or fuel cells that fit the original space but offer
> > some
> > A A advantageous over the original tank? (like a fuel cell, or
> > Superior
> > A A material , roll over protection etc? If so who carries it and
> > would you
> > A A know the cost?
> > A A Thanks,
> > A A Boyd
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You can run them with or without a bladder.
If you want FIA certification, you'll need to run an FIA certified
bladder with the tanks - and swap them out every 5 years.
On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Bjoern Flesland
<[1]bflesland at gmail.com> wrote:
Are your tanks regarded as fuel cells?
Do they have a bladder and foam inside?
If so, are they SFI or FIA certified?
Cheers Bjoern
On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Arjun Ghosh-Dastidar
<[2]arjun.ghoshdastidar at gmail.com> wrote:
>A A Ron McCall designed and built a twin-tank set up for my car
that is
>A A similar to what Jack is describing. Holds 12.5 gal on each
side for a
>A A total of 25 gal.A
>A A You can chose which side to use or drain from both sides.
Gauge can
>A A show fuel volume in either tank. You can fill up from either
side.
>A A I have this set up on my Pantera and my Ferrari 308 - both
passed NASA
>A A and SCCA tech inspection.
>A A Ron has the blueprints for the tanks so he can easily fab one
up for
>A A you. Picture of my 308 tanks attached.
>
>A A On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso
>A A <[1][3]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
>
>A A A AA A I have seen a pair of fuel cells run in race
Panteras in the
>A A A past. They
>A A A AA A were simple rectangular blocks about 12" thick and
sized to fit
>A A A one on
>A A A AA A each side of the engine, with a large connection
tube between
>A A A the two
>A A A AA A tanks that ran in front of the engine. Each held
about 10
>A A A gallons.
>A A A AA A Advantage is, you get better balance since only half
the fuel
>A A A volume is
>A A A AA A in either tank, and all of it is far lower in the
chassis than
>A A A would be
>A A A AA A a single tank behind the driver. Disadvantage is
more
>A A A complexity, far
>A A A AA A more chance of fuel leaks from dual cells, and no
gauge. Don't
>A A A know who
>A A A AA A built them but any of the commercial fuel-cell
builders likely
>A A A have
>A A A AA A such. Quella runs a single cell in the front trunk
of his
>A A A AA A tube-frame/plastic-body Pantera that seems about the
same
>A A A size.10
>A A A AA A gallons or so would be OK for open track events but
too small
>A A A for
>A A A AA A Silver State or most street use. Power requires
fuel: Jr Wilson
>A A A with
>A A A AA A around 900 bhp once emptied a 42 gallon cell in only
92 miles
>A A A of WFO
>A A A AA A running in one Silver State event....plan
accordingly.
>A A A AA A -----Original Message-----
>A A A AA A From: Boyd Casey <[2][4]boyd411 at gmail.com>
>A A A AA A To: detomaso <[3][5]detomaso at poca.com>
>A A A AA A Sent: Fri, Nov 21, 2014 8:03 am
>A A A AA A Subject: [DeTomaso] Fuel cell
>A A A AA A Some one listed a fuel cell for sale the other day
but by the
>A A A time I
>A A A AA A made contact it was already spoken for. I an in the
process if
>A A A AA A replacing my engine with a HIPOA engine and would
like to
>A A A replace my
>A A A AA A fuel tank. Some one mentioned in the past that
Dennis Quella at
>A A A one
>A A A AA A time carried or could supply a fuel cell that fit A
in the
>A A A original
>A A A AA A fuel tank space perfectly. Does any one know off any
other
>A A A replacement
>A A A AA A fuel tanks or fuel cells that fit the original space
but offer
>A A A some
>A A A AA A advantageous over the original tank? (like a fuel
cell, or
>A A A Superior
>A A A AA A material , roll over protection etc? If so who
carries it and
>A A A would you
>A A A AA A know the cost?
>A A A AA A Thanks,
>A A A AA A Boyd
>A A A _______________________________________________
>A A A Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
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