[DeTomaso] Fuel cell

Arjun Ghosh-Dastidar arjun.ghoshdastidar at gmail.com
Fri Nov 21 16:22:13 EST 2014


You can run them with or without a bladder.

If you want FIA certification, you'll need to run an FIA certified bladder
with the tanks - and swap them out every 5 years.

On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Bjoern Flesland <bflesland at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Are your tanks regarded as fuel cells?
> Do they have a bladder and foam inside?
> If so, are they SFI or FIA certified?
> Cheers Bjoern
>
> On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Arjun Ghosh-Dastidar
> <arjun.ghoshdastidar at gmail.com> wrote:
> >    Ron McCall designed and built a twin-tank set up for my car that is
> >    similar to what Jack is describing. Holds 12.5 gal on each side for a
> >    total of 25 gal.A
> >    You can chose which side to use or drain from both sides. Gauge can
> >    show fuel volume in either tank. You can fill up from either side.
> >    I have this set up on my Pantera and my Ferrari 308 - both passed NASA
> >    and SCCA tech inspection.
> >    Ron has the blueprints for the tanks so he can easily fab one up for
> >    you. Picture of my 308 tanks attached.
> >
> >    On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso
> >    <[1]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
> >
> >      A  A I have seen a pair of fuel cells run in race Panteras in the
> >      past. They
> >      A  A were simple rectangular blocks about 12" thick and sized to fit
> >      one on
> >      A  A each side of the engine, with a large connection tube between
> >      the two
> >      A  A tanks that ran in front of the engine. Each held about 10
> >      gallons.
> >      A  A Advantage is, you get better balance since only half the fuel
> >      volume is
> >      A  A in either tank, and all of it is far lower in the chassis than
> >      would be
> >      A  A a single tank behind the driver. Disadvantage is more
> >      complexity, far
> >      A  A more chance of fuel leaks from dual cells, and no gauge. Don't
> >      know who
> >      A  A built them but any of the commercial fuel-cell builders likely
> >      have
> >      A  A such. Quella runs a single cell in the front trunk of his
> >      A  A tube-frame/plastic-body Pantera that seems about the same
> >      size.10
> >      A  A gallons or so would be OK for open track events but too small
> >      for
> >      A  A Silver State or most street use. Power requires fuel: Jr Wilson
> >      with
> >      A  A around 900 bhp once emptied a 42 gallon cell in only 92 miles
> >      of WFO
> >      A  A running in one Silver State event....plan accordingly.
> >      A  A -----Original Message-----
> >      A  A From: Boyd Casey <[2]boyd411 at gmail.com>
> >      A  A To: detomaso <[3]detomaso at poca.com>
> >      A  A Sent: Fri, Nov 21, 2014 8:03 am
> >      A  A Subject: [DeTomaso] Fuel cell
> >      A  A Some one listed a fuel cell for sale the other day but by the
> >      time I
> >      A  A made contact it was already spoken for. I an in the process if
> >      A  A replacing my engine with a HIPOA engine and would like to
> >      replace my
> >      A  A fuel tank. Some one mentioned in the past that Dennis Quella at
> >      one
> >      A  A time carried or could supply a fuel cell that fit A in the
> >      original
> >      A  A fuel tank space perfectly. Does any one know off any other
> >      replacement
> >      A  A fuel tanks or fuel cells that fit the original space but offer
> >      some
> >      A  A advantageous over the original tank? (like a fuel cell, or
> >      Superior
> >      A  A material , roll over protection etc? If so who carries it and
> >      would you
> >      A  A know the cost?
> >      A  A Thanks,
> >      A  A Boyd
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   You can run them with or without a bladder.
   If you want FIA certification, you'll need to run an FIA certified
   bladder with the tanks - and swap them out every 5 years.

   On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Bjoern Flesland
   <[1]bflesland at gmail.com> wrote:

     Are your tanks regarded as fuel cells?
     Do they have a bladder and foam inside?
     If so, are they SFI or FIA certified?
     Cheers Bjoern
     On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Arjun Ghosh-Dastidar
     <[2]arjun.ghoshdastidar at gmail.com> wrote:
     >A  A  Ron McCall designed and built a twin-tank set up for my car
     that is
     >A  A  similar to what Jack is describing. Holds 12.5 gal on each
     side for a
     >A  A  total of 25 gal.A
     >A  A  You can chose which side to use or drain from both sides.
     Gauge can
     >A  A  show fuel volume in either tank. You can fill up from either
     side.
     >A  A  I have this set up on my Pantera and my Ferrari 308 - both
     passed NASA
     >A  A  and SCCA tech inspection.
     >A  A  Ron has the blueprints for the tanks so he can easily fab one
     up for
     >A  A  you. Picture of my 308 tanks attached.
     >
     >A  A  On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso
     >A  A  <[1][3]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
     >
     >A  A  A  AA  A I have seen a pair of fuel cells run in race
     Panteras in the
     >A  A  A  past. They
     >A  A  A  AA  A were simple rectangular blocks about 12" thick and
     sized to fit
     >A  A  A  one on
     >A  A  A  AA  A each side of the engine, with a large connection
     tube between
     >A  A  A  the two
     >A  A  A  AA  A tanks that ran in front of the engine. Each held
     about 10
     >A  A  A  gallons.
     >A  A  A  AA  A Advantage is, you get better balance since only half
     the fuel
     >A  A  A  volume is
     >A  A  A  AA  A in either tank, and all of it is far lower in the
     chassis than
     >A  A  A  would be
     >A  A  A  AA  A a single tank behind the driver. Disadvantage is
     more
     >A  A  A  complexity, far
     >A  A  A  AA  A more chance of fuel leaks from dual cells, and no
     gauge. Don't
     >A  A  A  know who
     >A  A  A  AA  A built them but any of the commercial fuel-cell
     builders likely
     >A  A  A  have
     >A  A  A  AA  A such. Quella runs a single cell in the front trunk
     of his
     >A  A  A  AA  A tube-frame/plastic-body Pantera that seems about the
     same
     >A  A  A  size.10
     >A  A  A  AA  A gallons or so would be OK for open track events but
     too small
     >A  A  A  for
     >A  A  A  AA  A Silver State or most street use. Power requires
     fuel: Jr Wilson
     >A  A  A  with
     >A  A  A  AA  A around 900 bhp once emptied a 42 gallon cell in only
     92 miles
     >A  A  A  of WFO
     >A  A  A  AA  A running in one Silver State event....plan
     accordingly.
     >A  A  A  AA  A -----Original Message-----
     >A  A  A  AA  A From: Boyd Casey <[2][4]boyd411 at gmail.com>
     >A  A  A  AA  A To: detomaso <[3][5]detomaso at poca.com>
     >A  A  A  AA  A Sent: Fri, Nov 21, 2014 8:03 am
     >A  A  A  AA  A Subject: [DeTomaso] Fuel cell
     >A  A  A  AA  A Some one listed a fuel cell for sale the other day
     but by the
     >A  A  A  time I
     >A  A  A  AA  A made contact it was already spoken for. I an in the
     process if
     >A  A  A  AA  A replacing my engine with a HIPOA engine and would
     like to
     >A  A  A  replace my
     >A  A  A  AA  A fuel tank. Some one mentioned in the past that
     Dennis Quella at
     >A  A  A  one
     >A  A  A  AA  A time carried or could supply a fuel cell that fit A
     in the
     >A  A  A  original
     >A  A  A  AA  A fuel tank space perfectly. Does any one know off any
     other
     >A  A  A  replacement
     >A  A  A  AA  A fuel tanks or fuel cells that fit the original space
     but offer
     >A  A  A  some
     >A  A  A  AA  A advantageous over the original tank? (like a fuel
     cell, or
     >A  A  A  Superior
     >A  A  A  AA  A material , roll over protection etc? If so who
     carries it and
     >A  A  A  would you
     >A  A  A  AA  A know the cost?
     >A  A  A  AA  A Thanks,
     >A  A  A  AA  A Boyd
     >A  A  A  _______________________________________________
     >A  A  A  Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
     >A  A  A  DeTomaso mailing list
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     >A  A  A  References
     >A  A  A  AA  A 1. mailto:[6][8]DeTomaso at poca.com
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     [7][9]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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