[DeTomaso] Fuel cell

mark skwarek ehpantera at yahoo.com
Fri Nov 21 15:30:38 EST 2014 

Boyd,
You don't need a fuel cell to run in most classes in ORR's. For the SSCC you need it if you are running 160 mph or higher. SORC requires a fuel cell for their unlimited division. It would take you quite a few years to work your way up to the unlimited division as you have to work your way up in 5 mph increments.
Mark 

     On Friday, November 21, 2014 2:44 PM, Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
   

   Do you mind if ask the cost? My new motor will have ported A-3 heads an
  A331 intake a custom built carb , 180 degree headers , Forger high end
  (7/8"s connecting rod arp fasteners Forged internally balanced crank,
  Forged flat top 10.5: 1 pistons A Fidanza steel and aluminum lightened
  flywheel, a cust grind hydraulic cam ( i didn't want to deal with solid
  lifters) it was designed by Dan Jones A and is being built by Dave
  McLain A and according to the computer Dyno mation is supposed to
  produce around 635 HP at 6500 Rpm and around 590 ft lbs of torque. I
  have never raced but I have considered trying to get involved in some
  of the ORR like the silver state, in which case i would need a fuel
  cell,roll cage and fire suppression. After my recent brush with cancer
  I realize I cant make plans for to far in the future and If I want to
  do somethings I A need to get moving or change my plans to driving Go
  karts or some other less challenging A form of motor sport.
  Thanks,
  Boyd

  On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Arjun Ghosh-Dastidar
  <[1]arjun.ghoshdastidar at gmail.com> wrote:

  Ron McCall designed and built a twin-tank set up for my car that is
  similar to what Jack is describing. Holds 12.5 gal on each side for a
  total of 25 gal.A
  You can chose which side to use or drain from both sides. Gauge can
  show fuel volume in either tank. You can fill up from either side.
  I have this set up on my Pantera and my Ferrari 308 - both passed NASA
  and SCCA tech inspection.
  Ron has the blueprints for the tanks so he can easily fab one up for
  you. Picture of my 308 tanks attached.

  On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso
  <[2]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:

  A  A I have seen a pair of fuel cells run in race Panteras in the past.
  They
  A  A were simple rectangular blocks about 12" thick and sized to fit
  one on
  A  A each side of the engine, with a large connection tube between the
  two
  A  A tanks that ran in front of the engine. Each held about 10 gallons.
  A  A Advantage is, you get better balance since only half the fuel
  volume is
  A  A in either tank, and all of it is far lower in the chassis than
  would be
  A  A a single tank behind the driver. Disadvantage is more complexity,
  far
  A  A more chance of fuel leaks from dual cells, and no gauge. Don't
  know who
  A  A built them but any of the commercial fuel-cell builders likely
  have
  A  A such. Quella runs a single cell in the front trunk of his
  A  A tube-frame/plastic-body Pantera that seems about the same size.10
  A  A gallons or so would be OK for open track events but too small for
  A  A Silver State or most street use. Power requires fuel: Jr Wilson
  with
  A  A around 900 bhp once emptied a 42 gallon cell in only 92 miles of
  WFO
  A  A running in one Silver State event....plan accordingly.
  A  A -----Original Message-----
  A  A From: Boyd Casey <[3]boyd411 at gmail.com>
  A  A To: detomaso <[4]detomaso at poca.com>
  A  A Sent: Fri, Nov 21, 2014 8:03 am
  A  A Subject: [DeTomaso] Fuel cell
  A  A Some one listed a fuel cell for sale the other day but by the time
  I
  A  A made contact it was already spoken for. I an in the process if
  A  A replacing my engine with a HIPOA engine and would like to replace
  my
  A  A fuel tank. Some one mentioned in the past that Dennis Quella at
  one
  A  A time carried or could supply a fuel cell that fit A in the
  original
  A  A fuel tank space perfectly. Does any one know off any other
  replacement
  A  A fuel tanks or fuel cells that fit the original space but offer
  some
  A  A advantageous over the original tank? (like a fuel cell, or
  Superior
  A  A material , roll over protection etc? If so who carries it and
  would you
  A  A know the cost?
  A  A Thanks,
  A  A Boyd
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   Boyd,
   You don't need a fuel cell to run in most classes in ORR's. For the
   SSCC you need it if you are running 160 mph or higher. SORC requires a
   fuel cell for their unlimited division. It would take you quite a few
   years to work your way up to the unlimited division as you have to work
   your way up in 5 mph increments.
   Mark
   On Friday, November 21, 2014 2:44 PM, Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
   wrote:
     Do you mind if ask the cost? My new motor will have ported A-3 heads
   an
     A331 intake a custom built carb , 180 degree headers , Forger high
   end
     (7/8"s connecting rod arp fasteners Forged internally balanced crank,
     Forged flat top 10.5: 1 pistons A Fidanza steel and aluminum
   lightened
     flywheel, a cust grind hydraulic cam ( i didn't want to deal with
   solid
     lifters) it was designed by Dan Jones A and is being built by Dave
     McLain A and according to the computer Dyno mation is supposed to
     produce around 635 HP at 6500 Rpm and around 590 ft lbs of torque. I
     have never raced but I have considered trying to get involved in some
     of the ORR like the silver state, in which case i would need a fuel
     cell,roll cage and fire suppression. After my recent brush with
   cancer
     I realize I cant make plans for to far in the future and If I want to
     do somethings I A need to get moving or change my plans to driving Go
     karts or some other less challenging A form of motor sport.
     Thanks,
     Boyd
     On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Arjun Ghosh-Dastidar
     <[1][1]arjun.ghoshdastidar at gmail.com> wrote:
     Ron McCall designed and built a twin-tank set up for my car that is
     similar to what Jack is describing. Holds 12.5 gal on each side for a
     total of 25 gal.A
     You can chose which side to use or drain from both sides. Gauge can
     show fuel volume in either tank. You can fill up from either side.
     I have this set up on my Pantera and my Ferrari 308 - both passed
   NASA
     and SCCA tech inspection.
     Ron has the blueprints for the tanks so he can easily fab one up for
     you. Picture of my 308 tanks attached.
     On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso
     <[2][2]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
     A  A I have seen a pair of fuel cells run in race Panteras in the
   past.
     They
     A  A were simple rectangular blocks about 12" thick and sized to fit
     one on
     A  A each side of the engine, with a large connection tube between
   the
     two
     A  A tanks that ran in front of the engine. Each held about 10
   gallons.
     A  A Advantage is, you get better balance since only half the fuel
     volume is
     A  A in either tank, and all of it is far lower in the chassis than
     would be
     A  A a single tank behind the driver. Disadvantage is more
   complexity,
     far
     A  A more chance of fuel leaks from dual cells, and no gauge. Don't
     know who
     A  A built them but any of the commercial fuel-cell builders likely
     have
     A  A such. Quella runs a single cell in the front trunk of his
     A  A tube-frame/plastic-body Pantera that seems about the same
   size.10
     A  A gallons or so would be OK for open track events but too small
   for
     A  A Silver State or most street use. Power requires fuel: Jr Wilson
     with
     A  A around 900 bhp once emptied a 42 gallon cell in only 92 miles of
     WFO
     A  A running in one Silver State event....plan accordingly.
     A  A -----Original Message-----
     A  A From: Boyd Casey <[3][3]boyd411 at gmail.com>
     A  A To: detomaso <[4][4]detomaso at poca.com>
     A  A Sent: Fri, Nov 21, 2014 8:03 am
     A  A Subject: [DeTomaso] Fuel cell
     A  A Some one listed a fuel cell for sale the other day but by the
   time
     I
     A  A made contact it was already spoken for. I an in the process if
     A  A replacing my engine with a HIPOA engine and would like to
   replace
     my
     A  A fuel tank. Some one mentioned in the past that Dennis Quella at
     one
     A  A time carried or could supply a fuel cell that fit A in the
     original
     A  A fuel tank space perfectly. Does any one know off any other
     replacement
     A  A fuel tanks or fuel cells that fit the original space but offer
     some
     A  A advantageous over the original tank? (like a fuel cell, or
     Superior
     A  A material , roll over protection etc? If so who carries it and
     would you
     A  A know the cost?
     A  A Thanks,
     A  A Boyd
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