[DeTomaso] Ford Crate Engine
Ken Green
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Sat Nov 1 01:10:59 EDT 2014
I think Lloyd has mentioned about 800 HP being a practical limit. I assume you have to ID the weak link, and I'd guess the real limit would be torque, not HP. Lloyd also told me the higher ring and pinion sets are stronger because the pinion gear is one of the weak links and the higher gear sets have a larger pinion gear, but I'm not sure where the other issues are. Then you have to factor the tires in, both weight and grip. If they just go up in smoke, all that power isn't buying much until you get to higher gears and speed.
Ken
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I think the ZF would melt if you ran 1,000 hp thru it.
Michael Shortt
On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 10:35 PM, Will Kooiman
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There is a youtube where they put twin turbos on a Boss 302 (the new
one,
not the Boss from the 70A^1s).
It had a an electronic waste gate, and I suppose fuel mappings for
each
boost level.
They could run at a reasonable 5-6lb boost at roughly 600hp, or they
could
crank it up to ~20 and hit just south of 1,000hp.
ThatA^1s pretty amazing.
On 10/31/14, 10:59 AM, "Bill Lewis" <[2]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>A A Unless that is some type of "special" engine, I have a Keith
Kraft
>A A engine (Windsor), with more Hp, cost less, with a 3-year
warranty.A So
>A A far I am tickled pink.A A ----Bill (looking good in pink) Lewis
>A A From: [3]julian_kift at hotmail.com
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>A A Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 07:52:17 -0700
>A A CC: [6]detomaso at poca.com
>A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ford Crate Engine
>Those were my thoughts exactly, a reliable 500HP can be had from a
>Cleveland at
>a fraction of the cost.
>
>Julian
>
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>Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 09:46:14 -0500
>To: [8]michael at michaelshortt.com
>CC: [9]detomaso at poca.com
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ford Crate Engine
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>$16500 plus installation. Seems mighty expensive for 500 hp.
>
>Jeff
>6559
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>>A A [1][1][12]http://www.fordracingparts.com/m/part.asp?p=23300
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I think Lloyd has mentioned about 800 HP being a practical limit. I
assume you have to ID the weak link, and I'd guess the real limit would
be torque, not HP. Lloyd also told me the higher ring and pinion sets
are stronger because the pinion gear is one of the weak links and the
higher gear sets have a larger pinion gear, but I'm not sure where the
other issues are. Then you have to factor the tires in, both weight
and grip. If they just go up in smoke, all that power isn't buying
much until you get to higher gears and speed.
Ken
From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michael at michaelshortt.com>
To: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
Cc: De Tomaso List <detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ford Crate Engine
I think the ZF would melt if you ran 1,000 hp thru it.
Michael Shortt
On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 10:35 PM, Will Kooiman
<[1][1]will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
There is a youtube where they put twin turbos on a Boss 302 (the
new
one,
not the Boss from the 70A^1s).
It had a an electronic waste gate, and I suppose fuel mappings for
each
boost level.
They could run at a reasonable 5-6lb boost at roughly 600hp, or
they
could
crank it up to ~20 and hit just south of 1,000hp.
ThatA^1s pretty amazing.
On 10/31/14, 10:59 AM, "Bill Lewis" <[2][2]lotus0005 at hotmail.com>
wrote:
>A A Unless that is some type of "special" engine, I have a Keith
Kraft
>A A engine (Windsor), with more Hp, cost less, with a 3-year
warranty.A So
>A A far I am tickled pink.A A ----Bill (looking good in pink)
Lewis
>A A From: [3][3]julian_kift at hotmail.com
>A A To: [4][4]jjdetrich at gmail.com; [5][5]michael at michaelshortt.com
>A A Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 07:52:17 -0700
>A A CC: [6][6]detomaso at poca.com
>A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ford Crate Engine
>Those were my thoughts exactly, a reliable 500HP can be had from a
>Cleveland at
>a fraction of the cost.
>
>Julian
>
>From: [7][7]jjdetrich at gmail.com
>Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 09:46:14 -0500
>To: [8][8]michael at michaelshortt.com
>CC: [9][9]detomaso at poca.com
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ford Crate Engine
>
>$16500 plus installation. Seems mighty expensive for 500 hp.
>
>Jeff
>6559
>
>On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 6:56 PM, [10][10]michael at michaelshortt.com <
>[11][11]michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote:
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>>A A Will it fit?
>>
>>A A
[1][1][12][12]http://www.fordracingparts.com/m/part.asp?p=23300
>>
>>A A Michael Shortt
>>
>> References
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[2][13][13]http://www.fordracingparts.com/m/part.asp?p=23300
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