[DeTomaso] Fwd: Japanese WWII Submarine... and Rockets
Boyd Casey
boyd411 at gmail.com
Fri May 16 23:50:06 EDT 2014
Take it apart and copy it is essentially reverse engineering it. When they
found out we had captured several Jap I-400's and we were supposedly
"allies" they bugged the shit out of us through diplomatic channels
demanding access to one (or more of the subs) we stalled as long as was
necessary to gather all the useful information we could and then the
Japsubs mysteriously "Sank" and for some reason we (the US) was unable
to
provide the exact location of the sunken subs.
On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 11:43 PM, Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com> wrote:
> The Russians forced a B-29 to land in Russia and kept it.
> They didn't reverse-engineer it, they copied it part for part.
>
> Actually I read that if you include all the expenses the B-29 cost more
> than the atomic bomb
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
> To: Daniel C Jones <daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com>
> Cc: POCA list <detomaso at poca.com>
> Sent: Fri, May 16, 2014 6:10 pm
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Japanese WWII Submarine... and Rockets
>
> The Russians had a mole ( or several moles) planted in the Manhattan
> project and Stalin was aware of the program and our progress. That's
> one of the reasons that A the soviets came up with their own bomb so
> soon after the end of WWII. When the Germans realized they had lost the
> war the attempted to ship their supply of U235 to Japan by Submarine.
> The Submarine ( coincidentally A was # U234 ) was a new design and the
> largest German sub made to date . It was on it's maiden voyage and had
> trouble which delayed it's departure. They were sunk by a British
> submarine with a torpedo shot that was fired while they were both
> submerged. The German sub with all hands and all the U235 was lost.
> besides the U235 which was supposedly not meant for use in an Atomic
> bomb , but for use as a catalyst in the production of synthetic
> methanol. The sub also carried three complete Messerschmitt aircraft
> (presumably ME 262's because the sub also carried several spare Junkers
> jet engines as well as other cutting edge German military hardware and
> technology The Russians also got their hands on one of our B-29's ( the
> second most expensive weapon system in history (at the time) after the
> Atomic bomb . Th Russians reverse engineered it before returning it to
> the US totally taken apart ( if I remember the story correctly). I
> found a link to the story. Here it is A [1]The voyage of U234
>
> On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 7:54 PM, Daniel C Jones
> <[2]daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> A A > he would like to congratulate the Soviet engineers that put
> Sputnik
> A A in orbit, but he didn't speak German.
>
> A A The Soviet's equivalent to Von Braun was Sergei Korolev and he
> wasn't
> A A German.A A The Soviets didn't trust their German rocket
> engineers and
> A A kept them segregated on an island without access to the
> classified
> A A rocket technology being developed by their Russian
> counterparts.A A They
> A A ended shipping them back to Germany in the early 1950s.
> A A Dan Jones
>
> A A On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Jerry Knotts
> <[1][3]knottsj at galstar.com>
> A A wrote:
> A A A I remember when Sputnik was launched to the suprise and
> embarasement
>
> A A A of the US. A One of the news casters stated that he would
> like to
>
> A A A congratulate the Soviet engineers that put Sputnik in orbit,
> but he
> A A A didn't speak German.
> A A A jerry knotts
> A A On 5/16/2014 3:40 PM, Boyd Casey wrote:
>
> A A A A A A A My grandfather Maj Gen. Hugh J. Casey A was the
> Chief engineer
> A A A of the
> A A A A A A A entire Pacific Theater in World War II A and my
> Great Uncle
> A A A Gen (4
> A A A A A A A Star) Lucius Clay was he military governor of the US
> zone of
> A A A occupation
> A A A A A A A at the end of WWII. So I heard a lot about what
> happened
> A A A behind the
> A A A A A A A scenes before , during and after WWII. Werner Von
> Braun was
> A A A both
> A A A A A A A accused of being a Nazi A and being guilty of war
> crimes due
> A A A to his use
> A A A A A A A of slave labor and his design of weapons used on
> civilians. It
> A A A is also
> A A A A A A A true that the SS arrested WVB at one point and if it
> weren't
> A A A for the
> A A A A A A A direct intervention of Hitler (possibly at the
> request of
> A A A Albert Speer)
> A A A A A A A WVB may have boot surveyed until the end of the war.
> There was
> A A A a
> A A A A A A A continual power struggle between Himmler, Goering A
> and the
> A A A upper
> A A A A A A A echelon of the Nazis and the S.S.. The bottom line
> is that The
> A A A US
> A A A A A A A recognized the importance of Rocket science and
> recognized WVB
> A A A as the
> A A A A A A A preeminent expert in Germany. The German Rocket
> program was
> A A A located in
> A A A A A A A a part of Europe that was already scheduled to be
> under the
> A A A control of
> A A A A A A A the Soviets. The Americans made a mad dash into this
> area to
> A A A capture as
> A A A A A A A much hardware and material as well as a many
> personnel as
> A A A possible. WVB
> A A A A A A A and his entire staff were at the same time doing
> everything in
> A A A their
> A A A A A A A power to surrender to the US instead of falling into
> Russian
> A A A hands. The
> A A A A A A A official name of the program to bring German
> scientists into
> A A A the United
> A A A A A A A states specifically to work on war related
> technology was
> A A A called
> A A A A A A A "Operation paper clip. It was technically Illegal to
> hire
> A A A anyone who
> A A A A A A A was officially a Nazi. So efforts were made and
> personal
> A A A histories were
> A A A A A A A falsified in order to circumvent theses rules. A
> subject that
> A A A I find
> A A A A A A A more interesting is the case of the Japanese germ
> warfare
> A A A expert who
> A A A A A A A was responsible for the deaths of thousands of
> Chinese and
> A A A possibly
> A A A A A A A some US POW's using germ warfare and doing germ
> warfare
> A A A experiments.
> A A A A A A A The United States felt that they were far behind the
> Japanese
> A A A and
> A A A A A A A pardoned the Japanese scientist who was responsible
> for the
> A A A program
> A A A A A A A that dropped rats carrying fleas infected with
> bubonic plague
> A A A on to
> A A A A A A A Chinese cities .He also carried out other absolutely
> horrible
> A A A human
> A A A A A A A experimentation test various agents to kill
> civilians in
> A A A "Scientific
> A A A A A A A studies". After the war was over and this Japanese
> individual
> A A A was
> A A A A A A A pardoned it was found that the Japanese germ warfare
> program
> A A A had been
> A A A A A A A conducted in such an amateur manner that is was of
> virtually
> A A A no
> A A A A A A A scientific value. So This Japanese scientist who was
> A A A personally
> A A A A A A A responsible for thousands of deaths ( some of which
> were
> A A A absolutely
> A A A A A A A horrible in there cruelty and the level of suffering
> that it's
> A A A subjects
> A A A A A A A were forced to endure) got off scot free and we
> didn't even
> A A A reap any
> A A A A A A A benefits from all of his "research". At least WVB
> got us to
> A A A the moon!
> A A A A A A A Hugh Boyd Casey
>
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> 2. mailto:daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com <daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com?>
> 3. mailto:knottsj at galstar.com <knottsj at galstar.com?>
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Take it apart and copy it is essentially reverse engineering it. When
they found out we had captured several Jap I-400's and we were
supposedly "allies" they bugged the shit out of us through diplomatic
channels demanding access to one (or more of the subs) we stalled as
long as was necessary to gather all the useful information we could and
then the Jap subs mysteriously "Sank" and for some reason we (the US)
was unable to provide the exact location of the sunken subs.
On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 11:43 PM, Pantdino <[1]pantdino at aol.com> wrote:
The Russians forced a B-29 to land in Russia and kept it.
They didn't reverse-engineer it, they copied it part for part.
A
Actually I read that if you include all the expenses the B-29 cost more
than the atomic bomb
A
A
-----Original Message-----
From: Boyd Casey <[2]boyd411 at gmail.com>
To: Daniel C Jones <[3]daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com>
Cc: POCA list <[4]detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Fri, May 16, 2014 6:10 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Japanese WWII Submarine... and Rockets
The Russians had a mole ( or several moles) planted in the Manhattan
project and Stalin was aware of the program and our progress. That's
one of the reasons that A the soviets came up with their own bomb so
soon after the end of WWII. When the Germans realized they had lost the
war the attempted to ship their supply of U235 to Japan by Submarine.
The Submarine ( coincidentally A was # U234 ) was a new design and the
largest German sub made to date . It was on it's maiden voyage and had
trouble which delayed it's departure. They were sunk by a British
submarine with a torpedo shot that was fired while they were both
submerged. The German sub with all hands and all the U235 was lost.
besides the U235 which was supposedly not meant for use in an Atomic
bomb , but for use as a catalyst in the production of synthetic
methanol. The sub also carried three complete Messerschmitt aircraft
(presumably ME 262's because the sub also carried several spare Junkers
jet engines as well as other cutting edge German military hardware and
technology The Russians also got their hands on one of our B-29's ( the
second most expensive weapon system in history (at the time) after the
Atomic bomb . Th Russians reverse engineered it before returning it to
the US totally taken apart ( if I remember the story correctly). I
found a link to the story. Here it is A [1]The voyage of U234
On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 7:54 PM, Daniel C Jones
<[2][5]daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com> wrote:
A A > he would like to congratulate the Soviet engineers that put
Sputnik
A A in orbit, but he didn't speak German.
A A The Soviet's equivalent to Von Braun was Sergei Korolev and he
wasn't
A A German.A A The Soviets didn't trust their German rocket
engineers and
A A kept them segregated on an island without access to the
classified
A A rocket technology being developed by their Russian
counterparts.A A They
A A ended shipping them back to Germany in the early 1950s.
A A Dan Jones
A A On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Jerry Knotts
<[1][3][6]knottsj at galstar.com>
A A wrote:
A A A I remember when Sputnik was launched to the suprise and
embarasement
A A A of the US. A One of the news casters stated that he would
like to
A A A congratulate the Soviet engineers that put Sputnik in orbit,
but he
A A A didn't speak German.
A A A jerry knotts
A A On 5/16/2014 3:40 PM, Boyd Casey wrote:
A A A A A A A My grandfather Maj Gen. Hugh J. Casey A was the
Chief engineer
A A A of the
A A A A A A A entire Pacific Theater in World War II A and my
Great Uncle
A A A Gen (4
A A A A A A A Star) Lucius Clay was he military governor of the US
zone of
A A A occupation
A A A A A A A at the end of WWII. So I heard a lot about what
happened
A A A behind the
A A A A A A A scenes before , during and after WWII. Werner Von
Braun was
A A A both
A A A A A A A accused of being a Nazi A and being guilty of war
crimes due
A A A to his use
A A A A A A A of slave labor and his design of weapons used on
civilians. It
A A A is also
A A A A A A A true that the SS arrested WVB at one point and if it
weren't
A A A for the
A A A A A A A direct intervention of Hitler (possibly at the
request of
A A A Albert Speer)
A A A A A A A WVB may have boot surveyed until the end of the war.
There was
A A A a
A A A A A A A continual power struggle between Himmler, Goering A
and the
A A A upper
A A A A A A A echelon of the Nazis and the S.S.. The bottom line
is that The
A A A US
A A A A A A A recognized the importance of Rocket science and
recognized WVB
A A A as the
A A A A A A A preeminent expert in Germany. The German Rocket
program was
A A A located in
A A A A A A A a part of Europe that was already scheduled to be
under the
A A A control of
A A A A A A A the Soviets. The Americans made a mad dash into this
area to
A A A capture as
A A A A A A A much hardware and material as well as a many
personnel as
A A A possible. WVB
A A A A A A A and his entire staff were at the same time doing
everything in
A A A their
A A A A A A A power to surrender to the US instead of falling into
Russian
A A A hands. The
A A A A A A A official name of the program to bring German
scientists into
A A A the United
A A A A A A A states specifically to work on war related
technology was
A A A called
A A A A A A A "Operation paper clip. It was technically Illegal to
hire
A A A anyone who
A A A A A A A was officially a Nazi. So efforts were made and
personal
A A A histories were
A A A A A A A falsified in order to circumvent theses rules. A
subject that
A A A I find
A A A A A A A more interesting is the case of the Japanese germ
warfare
A A A expert who
A A A A A A A was responsible for the deaths of thousands of
Chinese and
A A A possibly
A A A A A A A some US POW's using germ warfare and doing germ
warfare
A A A experiments.
A A A A A A A The United States felt that they were far behind the
Japanese
A A A and
A A A A A A A pardoned the Japanese scientist who was responsible
for the
A A A program
A A A A A A A that dropped rats carrying fleas infected with
bubonic plague
A A A on to
A A A A A A A Chinese cities .He also carried out other absolutely
horrible
A A A human
A A A A A A A experimentation test various agents to kill
civilians in
A A A "Scientific
A A A A A A A studies". After the war was over and this Japanese
individual
A A A was
A A A A A A A pardoned it was found that the Japanese germ warfare
program
A A A had been
A A A A A A A conducted in such an amateur manner that is was of
virtually
A A A no
A A A A A A A scientific value. So This Japanese scientist who was
A A A personally
A A A A A A A responsible for thousands of deaths ( some of which
were
A A A absolutely
A A A A A A A horrible in there cruelty and the level of suffering
that it's
A A A subjects
A A A A A A A were forced to endure) got off scot free and we
didn't even
A A A reap any
A A A A A A A benefits from all of his "research". At least WVB
got us to
A A A the moon!
A A A A A A A Hugh Boyd Casey
A A _______________________________________________
A A Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
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