[DeTomaso] Fwd: Japanese WWII Submarine... and Rockets

Pantdino pantdino at aol.com
Fri May 16 23:43:07 EDT 2014


The Russians forced a B-29 to land in Russia and kept it.
They didn't reverse-engineer it, they copied it part for part.
 
Actually I read that if you include all the expenses the B-29 cost more than the atomic bomb
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
To: Daniel C Jones <daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com>
Cc: POCA list <detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Fri, May 16, 2014 6:10 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Japanese WWII Submarine... and Rockets


   The Russians had a mole ( or several moles) planted in the Manhattan
   project and Stalin was aware of the program and our progress. That's
   one of the reasons that A the soviets came up with their own bomb so
   soon after the end of WWII. When the Germans realized they had lost the
   war the attempted to ship their supply of U235 to Japan by Submarine.
   The Submarine ( coincidentally A was # U234 ) was a new design and the
   largest German sub made to date . It was on it's maiden voyage and had
   trouble which delayed it's departure. They were sunk by a British
   submarine with a torpedo shot that was fired while they were both
   submerged. The German sub with all hands and all the U235 was lost.
   besides the U235 which was supposedly not meant for use in an Atomic
   bomb , but for use as a catalyst in the production of synthetic
   methanol. The sub also carried three complete Messerschmitt aircraft
   (presumably ME 262's because the sub also carried several spare Junkers
   jet engines as well as other cutting edge German military hardware and
   technology The Russians also got their hands on one of our B-29's ( the
   second most expensive weapon system in history (at the time) after the
   Atomic bomb . Th Russians reverse engineered it before returning it to
   the US totally taken apart ( if I remember the story correctly). I
   found a link to the story. Here it is A [1]The voyage of U234

   On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 7:54 PM, Daniel C Jones
   <[2]daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com> wrote:

   A  A > he would like to congratulate the Soviet engineers that put
   Sputnik
   A  A in orbit, but he didn't speak German.

     A  A The Soviet's equivalent to Von Braun was Sergei Korolev and he
     wasn't
     A  A German.A A The Soviets didn't trust their German rocket
     engineers and
     A  A kept them segregated on an island without access to the
     classified
     A  A rocket technology being developed by their Russian
     counterparts.A A They
     A  A ended shipping them back to Germany in the early 1950s.
     A  A Dan Jones

   A  A On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Jerry Knotts
   <[1][3]knottsj at galstar.com>
   A  A wrote:
   A  A  A I remember when Sputnik was launched to the suprise and
   embarasement

     A  A  A of the US. A One of the news casters stated that he would
     like to

   A  A  A congratulate the Soviet engineers that put Sputnik in orbit,
   but he
   A  A  A didn't speak German.
   A  A  A jerry knotts
   A  A On 5/16/2014 3:40 PM, Boyd Casey wrote:

     A  A  A A A A A My grandfather Maj Gen. Hugh J. Casey A was the
     Chief engineer
     A  A  A of the
     A  A  A A A A A entire Pacific Theater in World War II A and my
     Great Uncle
     A  A  A Gen (4
     A  A  A A A A A Star) Lucius Clay was he military governor of the US
     zone of
     A  A  A occupation
     A  A  A A A A A at the end of WWII. So I heard a lot about what
     happened
     A  A  A behind the
     A  A  A A A A A scenes before , during and after WWII. Werner Von
     Braun was
     A  A  A both
     A  A  A A A A A accused of being a Nazi A and being guilty of war
     crimes due
     A  A  A to his use
     A  A  A A A A A of slave labor and his design of weapons used on
     civilians. It
     A  A  A is also
     A  A  A A A A A true that the SS arrested WVB at one point and if it
     weren't
     A  A  A for the
     A  A  A A A A A direct intervention of Hitler (possibly at the
     request of
     A  A  A Albert Speer)
     A  A  A A A A A WVB may have boot surveyed until the end of the war.
     There was
     A  A  A a
     A  A  A A A A A continual power struggle between Himmler, Goering A
     and the
     A  A  A upper
     A  A  A A A A A echelon of the Nazis and the S.S.. The bottom line
     is that The
     A  A  A US
     A  A  A A A A A recognized the importance of Rocket science and
     recognized WVB
     A  A  A as the
     A  A  A A A A A preeminent expert in Germany. The German Rocket
     program was
     A  A  A located in
     A  A  A A A A A a part of Europe that was already scheduled to be
     under the
     A  A  A control of
     A  A  A A A A A the Soviets. The Americans made a mad dash into this
     area to
     A  A  A capture as
     A  A  A A A A A much hardware and material as well as a many
     personnel as
     A  A  A possible. WVB
     A  A  A A A A A and his entire staff were at the same time doing
     everything in
     A  A  A their
     A  A  A A A A A power to surrender to the US instead of falling into
     Russian
     A  A  A hands. The
     A  A  A A A A A official name of the program to bring German
     scientists into
     A  A  A the United
     A  A  A A A A A states specifically to work on war related
     technology was
     A  A  A called
     A  A  A A A A A "Operation paper clip. It was technically Illegal to
     hire
     A  A  A anyone who
     A  A  A A A A A was officially a Nazi. So efforts were made and
     personal
     A  A  A histories were
     A  A  A A A A A falsified in order to circumvent theses rules. A
     subject that
     A  A  A I find
     A  A  A A A A A more interesting is the case of the Japanese germ
     warfare
     A  A  A expert who
     A  A  A A A A A was responsible for the deaths of thousands of
     Chinese and
     A  A  A possibly
     A  A  A A A A A some US POW's using germ warfare and doing germ
     warfare
     A  A  A experiments.
     A  A  A A A A A The United States felt that they were far behind the
     Japanese
     A  A  A and
     A  A  A A A A A pardoned the Japanese scientist who was responsible
     for the
     A  A  A program
     A  A  A A A A A that dropped rats carrying fleas infected with
     bubonic plague
     A  A  A on to
     A  A  A A A A A Chinese cities .He also carried out other absolutely
     horrible
     A  A  A human
     A  A  A A A A A experimentation test various agents to kill
     civilians in
     A  A  A "Scientific
     A  A  A A A A A studies". After the war was over and this Japanese
     individual
     A  A  A was
     A  A  A A A A A pardoned it was found that the Japanese germ warfare
     program
     A  A  A had been
     A  A  A A A A A conducted in such an amateur manner that is was of
     virtually
     A  A  A no
     A  A  A A A A A scientific value. So This Japanese scientist who was
     A  A  A personally
     A  A  A A A A A responsible for thousands of deaths ( some of which
     were
     A  A  A absolutely
     A  A  A A A A A horrible in there cruelty and the level of suffering
     that it's
     A  A  A subjects
     A  A  A A A A A were forced to endure) got off scot free and we
     didn't even
     A  A  A reap any
     A  A  A A A A A benefits from all of his "research". At least WVB
     got us to
     A  A  A the moon!
     A  A  A A A A A Hugh Boyd Casey

   A  A _______________________________________________
   A  A Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
   A  A DeTomaso mailing list

     A  A  A [2][4]DeTomaso at poca.com
     A  A  A [3][5]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
     References
     A  A 1. mailto:[6]knottsj at galstar.com
     A  A 2. mailto:[7]DeTomaso at poca.com
     A  A 3. [8]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
     _______________________________________________
     Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
     DeTomaso mailing list
     [9]DeTomaso at poca.com
     [10]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com

References

   1. http://www.h-net.org/reviews/showrev.php?id=4048
   2. mailto:daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com
   3. mailto:knottsj at galstar.com
   4. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
   5. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
   6. mailto:knottsj at galstar.com
   7. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
   8. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
   9. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
  10. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com

 
_______________________________________________

Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA

DeTomaso mailing list
DeTomaso at poca.com
http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com

 
-------------- next part --------------
   The Russians forced a B-29 to land in Russia and kept it.

   They didn't reverse-engineer it, they copied it part for part.



   Actually I read that if you include all the expenses the B-29 cost more
   than the atomic bomb





   -----Original Message-----
   From: Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
   To: Daniel C Jones <daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com>
   Cc: POCA list <detomaso at poca.com>
   Sent: Fri, May 16, 2014 6:10 pm
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Japanese WWII Submarine... and Rockets
   The Russians had a mole ( or several moles) planted in the Manhattan
   project and Stalin was aware of the program and our progress. That's
   one of the reasons that A the soviets came up with their own bomb so
   soon after the end of WWII. When the Germans realized they had lost the
   war the attempted to ship their supply of U235 to Japan by Submarine.
   The Submarine ( coincidentally A was # U234 ) was a new design and the
   largest German sub made to date . It was on it's maiden voyage and had
   trouble which delayed it's departure. They were sunk by a British
   submarine with a torpedo shot that was fired while they were both
   submerged. The German sub with all hands and all the U235 was lost.
   besides the U235 which was supposedly not meant for use in an Atomic
   bomb , but for use as a catalyst in the production of synthetic
   methanol. The sub also carried three complete Messerschmitt aircraft
   (presumably ME 262's because the sub also carried several spare Junkers
   jet engines as well as other cutting edge German military hardware and
   technology The Russians also got their hands on one of our B-29's ( the
   second most expensive weapon system in history (at the time) after the
   Atomic bomb . Th Russians reverse engineered it before returning it to
   the US totally taken apart ( if I remember the story correctly). I
   found a link to the story. Here it is A [1]The voyage of U234

   On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 7:54 PM, Daniel C Jones
   <[2][1]daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com> wrote:

   A  A > he would like to congratulate the Soviet engineers that put
   Sputnik
   A  A in orbit, but he didn't speak German.

     A  A The Soviet's equivalent to Von Braun was Sergei Korolev and he
     wasn't
     A  A German.A A The Soviets didn't trust their German rocket
     engineers and
     A  A kept them segregated on an island without access to the
     classified
     A  A rocket technology being developed by their Russian
     counterparts.A A They
     A  A ended shipping them back to Germany in the early 1950s.
     A  A Dan Jones

   A  A On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Jerry Knotts
   <[1][3][2]knottsj at galstar.com>
   A  A wrote:
   A  A  A I remember when Sputnik was launched to the suprise and
   embarasement

     A  A  A of the US. A One of the news casters stated that he would
     like to

   A  A  A congratulate the Soviet engineers that put Sputnik in orbit,
   but he
   A  A  A didn't speak German.
   A  A  A jerry knotts
   A  A On 5/16/2014 3:40 PM, Boyd Casey wrote:

     A  A  A A A A A My grandfather Maj Gen. Hugh J. Casey A was the
     Chief engineer
     A  A  A of the
     A  A  A A A A A entire Pacific Theater in World War II A and my
     Great Uncle
     A  A  A Gen (4
     A  A  A A A A A Star) Lucius Clay was he military governor of the US
     zone of
     A  A  A occupation
     A  A  A A A A A at the end of WWII. So I heard a lot about what
     happened
     A  A  A behind the
     A  A  A A A A A scenes before , during and after WWII. Werner Von
     Braun was
     A  A  A both
     A  A  A A A A A accused of being a Nazi A and being guilty of war
     crimes due
     A  A  A to his use
     A  A  A A A A A of slave labor and his design of weapons used on
     civilians. It
     A  A  A is also
     A  A  A A A A A true that the SS arrested WVB at one point and if it
     weren't
     A  A  A for the
     A  A  A A A A A direct intervention of Hitler (possibly at the
     request of
     A  A  A Albert Speer)
     A  A  A A A A A WVB may have boot surveyed until the end of the war.
     There was
     A  A  A a
     A  A  A A A A A continual power struggle between Himmler, Goering A
     and the
     A  A  A upper
     A  A  A A A A A echelon of the Nazis and the S.S.. The bottom line
     is that The
     A  A  A US
     A  A  A A A A A recognized the importance of Rocket science and
     recognized WVB
     A  A  A as the
     A  A  A A A A A preeminent expert in Germany. The German Rocket
     program was
     A  A  A located in
     A  A  A A A A A a part of Europe that was already scheduled to be
     under the
     A  A  A control of
     A  A  A A A A A the Soviets. The Americans made a mad dash into this
     area to
     A  A  A capture as
     A  A  A A A A A much hardware and material as well as a many
     personnel as
     A  A  A possible. WVB
     A  A  A A A A A and his entire staff were at the same time doing
     everything in
     A  A  A their
     A  A  A A A A A power to surrender to the US instead of falling into
     Russian
     A  A  A hands. The
     A  A  A A A A A official name of the program to bring German
     scientists into
     A  A  A the United
     A  A  A A A A A states specifically to work on war related
     technology was
     A  A  A called
     A  A  A A A A A "Operation paper clip. It was technically Illegal to
     hire
     A  A  A anyone who
     A  A  A A A A A was officially a Nazi. So efforts were made and
     personal
     A  A  A histories were
     A  A  A A A A A falsified in order to circumvent theses rules. A
     subject that
     A  A  A I find
     A  A  A A A A A more interesting is the case of the Japanese germ
     warfare
     A  A  A expert who
     A  A  A A A A A was responsible for the deaths of thousands of
     Chinese and
     A  A  A possibly
     A  A  A A A A A some US POW's using germ warfare and doing germ
     warfare
     A  A  A experiments.
     A  A  A A A A A The United States felt that they were far behind the
     Japanese
     A  A  A and
     A  A  A A A A A pardoned the Japanese scientist who was responsible
     for the
     A  A  A program
     A  A  A A A A A that dropped rats carrying fleas infected with
     bubonic plague
     A  A  A on to
     A  A  A A A A A Chinese cities .He also carried out other absolutely
     horrible
     A  A  A human
     A  A  A A A A A experimentation test various agents to kill
     civilians in
     A  A  A "Scientific
     A  A  A A A A A studies". After the war was over and this Japanese
     individual
     A  A  A was
     A  A  A A A A A pardoned it was found that the Japanese germ warfare
     program
     A  A  A had been
     A  A  A A A A A conducted in such an amateur manner that is was of
     virtually
     A  A  A no
     A  A  A A A A A scientific value. So This Japanese scientist who was
     A  A  A personally
     A  A  A A A A A responsible for thousands of deaths ( some of which
     were
     A  A  A absolutely
     A  A  A A A A A horrible in there cruelty and the level of suffering
     that it's
     A  A  A subjects
     A  A  A A A A A were forced to endure) got off scot free and we
     didn't even
     A  A  A reap any
     A  A  A A A A A benefits from all of his "research". At least WVB
     got us to
     A  A  A the moon!
     A  A  A A A A A Hugh Boyd Casey

   A  A _______________________________________________
   A  A Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
   A  A DeTomaso mailing list

     A  A  A [2][4][3]DeTomaso at poca.com
     A  A  A [3][5][4]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
     References
     A  A 1. [5]mailto:[6]knottsj at galstar.com
     A  A 2. [6]mailto:[7]DeTomaso at poca.com
     A  A 3. [8][7]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
     _______________________________________________
     Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
     DeTomaso mailing list
     [9][8]DeTomaso at poca.com
     [10][9]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com

References

   1. [10]http://www.h-net.org/reviews/showrev.php?id=4048
   2. [11]mailto:daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com
   3. [12]mailto:knottsj at galstar.com
   4. [13]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
   5. [14]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
   6. [15]mailto:knottsj at galstar.com
   7. [16]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
   8. [17]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
   9. [18]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
  10. [19]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com

_______________________________________________

Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA

DeTomaso mailing list
[20]DeTomaso at poca.com
[21]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com

References

   1. mailto:daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com
   2. mailto:knottsj at galstar.com
   3. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
   4. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
   5. mailto:[6]knottsj at galstar.com?
   6. mailto:[7]DeTomaso at poca.com?
   7. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
   8. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
   9. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
  10. http://www.h-net.org/reviews/showrev.php?id=4048
  11. mailto:daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com?
  12. mailto:knottsj at galstar.com?
  13. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com?
  14. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
  15. mailto:knottsj at galstar.com?
  16. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com?
  17. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
  18. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com?
  19. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
  20. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
  21. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com


More information about the DeTomaso mailing list